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Joe270
03-06-2009, 10:07 AM
For those of you have followed my experiences with the ghost, this is an update on the latest.

Thankfully, I wasn't the target this time. It was the listing agent.

I got a call from her around noon today. The way she said 'I need to talk with you about something', I was a bit worried. Because she spoke about her reports, I figured I screwed something up. Nope, I didn't.

She was working from home and had completed a dozen reports or so, and started another one but had some odd glitches. She's done these reports for some thirty years and never had a problem, so she was a bit confused.

She put the photos in like usual, but all the photos were the same shot, not the multiple shots she put in. She put them in again, but they wound up posting upside down. She did it again, and they posted correctly.

Then she did the 'comps', which are 'comparable recent sales of similar properties in the area', and her home address came up first.

Now she really thought that was weird, because she's lived in that house for over twenty years. The listing shouldn't even still be out there, and it certainly shouldn't come up on the computer as a recent sale, and it's no where near the property which she was working on. She bought the lot and had the house built, dealing directly with the developer of the subdivision. She doesn't think it was ever listed.

She finally got it done and submitted it, then did the last few reports with no problems whatsoever. It was only then that it dawned on her that the report which she had the issues with was the one with the ghost.

She bolted from her house and went to her office because she didn't want to be alone.

So she asked me if I thought it was a threat. Her words were 'It seemed like one of those 'I know where you live' threats.'

I told her it sure seemed like a warning at least. It doesn't seem to want that house sold. She wants out from under this listing badly.

She told me she wouldn't set foot in the house ever again. She told me if anything needed to get done, I'd have to go out there and deal with it, like a home inspection or whatever.

"What? You want me to go out so the ghost gets pissed at me and not you?"

"Well, you seem to be getting along with it lately."

Gee, thanks.

mscelina
03-06-2009, 10:37 AM
I really want to come out there and check this house out. hell, if I could afford it, I'd probably buy it.

Susie
03-06-2009, 10:39 AM
That is really eerie, Joe. I bet she was really spooked!

Joe270
03-06-2009, 10:39 AM
hell, if I could afford it, I'd probably buy it.

It's out near Lake Las Vegas, very pricey neighborhood. I can find you a lot better deal elsewhere, and that house might not be haunted. No guarantees.

Joe270
03-06-2009, 10:46 AM
I bet she was really spooked!

Yeah, she is. He husband works in the coroners office, and she's done ride-alongs and stayed the night with him in the morgue many times. She doesn't spook easily.

I spoke with her this afternoon to see if she wanted to stay at my place tonight, but she turned me down. She has two large German Shepherds and a couple cats to care for. With her husband working nights, she's gonna have it rough for a while.

Namatu
03-06-2009, 05:58 PM
I want nothing to do with this house or its ghost. Creepy!

Carole
03-06-2009, 07:12 PM
I really want to come out there and check this house out. hell, if I could afford it, I'd probably buy it.

Me too! Maybe we could go in together and buy it! I was very disappointed to learn that there's no activity in this house. We figured that with it being 108 years old and with us renovating, surely we'd stir something up. But nope. Nothing.

Carole
03-06-2009, 08:26 PM
I went back and read the other thread about your haunted house, and it's all very interesting. I don't think, however, that you have anything to be afraid of.

Having a ghost in a house can be unnerving and I'm not going to proclaim that no one has been harmed by one. I simply don't know whether or not that is true.

I will say that I have had several encounters with them, even really pissed off ghosts, and I have never experienced physical harm. Emotional trauma, sure. But no physical harm. My most impressive ghost encounters are:

Extremely pissed off lady whose house we lived in. We rented it from her daughter about a year after she died. I saw her probably three times and each time it was daytime. Clear as day, and enough to be able to describe the woman to her daughter and confirm that it was her. She didn't look anything like her daughter and I'd never seen a photo of her, so we were all pretty confident. The end of that tale is that Mrs. Ghost was desperately trying to tell her daughter something. She tormented my husband (She screamed at him all night, although I couldn't hear her.) to get the message across, but she did get it across. Once we relayed the message to her daughter, which made absolutely no sense to hubby and me but we still had to tell her) we never saw her again.

Another daytime ghostie was probably more of an echo than a real ghost. We had just moved to Knoxville and hubby went across the street to get Pepsi or something. I was in the kitchen unpacking boxes and I saw him walk through the living room and into the kids' room. I said, "I thought you went across he street." and he didn't answer. I followed him into the kids room and he wasn't there. About a minute later, hubby came in the front door. HA! I mentioned it to a neighbor, and they say, "Oh! You met so and so. (forgot the name they called him.). The consensus was that my ghost was probably a worker from back when the homes on my street were built at the turn of the century. He apparently visited everyone from time to time. I never saw him again.

Next ghostie was ridiculously typical. In a graveyard after midnight. We had a habit of taking the dogs out to walk in the graveyard at night when no one was there. (We didn't take the dogs to the area where graves were--we stayed on a paved drive with them.) I stepped off the path to look at an old grave and I saw him and I think he saw me at the same time. I turned around and he was gone. Later, we saw either him or another ghostie, but this time there was no denying it. One minute he was on the path and then he turned and went across a field. The weird part about that was that he moved in a normal walking motion, but he crossed this huge open field in a couple of seconds. We watched him the whole time. When you see something like that, you really can't NOT believe in ghosts! Haha. We went to that side of the cemetery to see what was over there, and it was all the old civil war era graves. WooooOOOooo! :)

That being said, not everything that we encounter that isn't human is a ghost, and not everything is benign. I said that I haven't been harmed, and that was actually not true. BUT--the thing that caused it was not a ghost and there were . . . um . . . highly unusual circumstances!

Another time, I was alone in our apartment in Orlando and hubby was sleeping alone in his hotel room in Fort Lauderdale. We had similar experiences at the same time, although we reacted different to them. That made it clear to me that we weren't dealing with a ghost that time--it was following us. It wasn't attracted to the places we were. I was sitting in the living room and a series of things happened. The stereo went on and off, playing a CD, but that stereo wouldn't play a CD unless you pressed the play button. The clock radio alarm in the bedroom started going on and off, but that clock wouldn't ever stop alarming on its own under normal circumstances. It would alarm all day if you didn't shut it off. The kitchen lights started going on and off, too. So there I was, with the stereo, kitchen lights and alarm clock making their on and off rounds throughout the house and so I grabbed up the cats and split for a friend's house! At this same time, hubby was asleep in his hotel room in another town, and he woke up because he felt something staring at him. It was so weird. He rolled over and saw a dark mass type of figure with a weird sort of face and the lamps on the nightstands were rocking. But, being the unshakable person that he is, he opened his eyes, saw it and said, "Go the hell away. I'm trying to sleep!" and I guess it went away. That's all he really told me about it.

And we were sitting in our living room of that same apartment. A friend was sitting in the floor facing us. We all heard a *boom!* sort of like a transformer blowing. The sliding glass doors rattled. Immediately afterward, a dark mass (probably the same mass from the hotel) appeared in the dining room, drifted toward us, went through our friend (that part was kinda funny because he shivered when it went through him) and then stopped right in front of me. He disappeared after glowering at me.

Oh, I could go on. I have loads of them. But seriously. I would not worry even a little bit about a spirit. Really, if it hasn't harmed you (and most of them just can't besides scaring the daylights out of you) it likely won't.

Greenwolf103
03-06-2009, 08:35 PM
Has anybody thought about doing a cleansing in that house? Might be a good idea.

How does this factor in with laws about revealing if there is such an issue with a property? I've done research on stigmatized properties but I don't know what the laws say about revealing if a house has that kind of issue is in affect in Vegas.

Oh, wait. Never mind. Read the quote at this link http://www.realtor.org/archives/lawdec03


Even if your state has a statute that exempts you from having to disclose stigmatized property, these laws usually donít prohibit disclosure.

Pagey's_Girl
03-06-2009, 09:55 PM
I scattered salt in all the rooms of my mom's house after my father died, then went through again with my singing bowl and a sage smudge. My father had a real nasty streak, and I didn't want to take any chances. It's best to do that with as many windows as possible open.

BTW, has anyone checked around the outside doors to see if maybe there's some kind of bottle or jar (probably with sand and/or nails, rocks, herbs, stuff like that) buried near an entranceway? Or some other kind of object, perhaps? It could be that there's a spell still tying the deceased occupant to the house.

Joe270
03-06-2009, 10:14 PM
Interesting comments so far. Some members had suggested talking to it when I enter the house, but watch what I say so I don't indicate servitude, and that has seemed to work very well.

Over the last several weeks I started thinking that it's not there anymore, but obviously it still is in residence.

I have said that I'm not moving in, and that I just keep the place from falling apart, but I did mention that I'd keep it posted if the house sells to someone. Perhaps that's what sent it in the Listing Agent's direction.

My take on the message is 'don't mess with my house', I'm not sure if it could be taken as a threat. It is pretty darned creepy, though.

As far as 'cleansing', I'm not interested in that. I'd rather it stay right where it is, not out house-shopping.

I'll take a gander around the doors, but there are lots of them. If something is buried, chances are I'll see no signs of that. I can't go around digging holes everywhere. Any more clues about finding stuff like that?

Carole
03-06-2009, 10:55 PM
But really--what kind of threat or what kind of harm is likely? Simply being present is creepy, but it isn't harmful. And if the house is cleansed, it's not like in the movies--it's not gonna wander around looking for somewhere else to set up housekeeping.

Joe270
03-07-2009, 01:21 AM
I spoke more with the listing agent.

Her house was never listed.

She had two other instances today. She submitted a supplemental report, and the photo posted sideways.

She called into the office today to check with her assistant, and she punched in the usual extension. She got the extension of a Realtor who recently died in an accident.

I managed to calm her down some, but it is the talk of that office, I'll tell ya.

brainstorm77
03-07-2009, 01:30 AM
Me too! Maybe we could go in together and buy it! I was very disappointed to learn that there's no activity in this house. We figured that with it being 108 years old and with us renovating, surely we'd stir something up. But nope. Nothing.

Same her my house was built in 1940 and we ripped out the living area downstairs after we moved in and redid it as we will do with most of the house. The house had very little original character left when we moved in so we are trying to put it back to its original state.
Both owners which were elderly died in the house. But nothing.
The only creepy thing is the red handprints of a child down in the basement on one of the cement walls. That did creep me out big time.

Wayne K
03-07-2009, 01:44 AM
The only creepy thing is the red handprints of a child down in the basement on one of the cement walls. That did creep me out big time.
Wait a second...did you say Red handprints?

Pagey's_Girl
03-07-2009, 03:08 AM
Please tell me it was red paint.... :eek:

mscelina
03-07-2009, 03:19 AM
It was red paint.

Silver King
03-07-2009, 03:27 AM
If anyone wants to read some background about the ghost, Joe shared his thoughts here (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129225) a while back.

I hope someday he writes a story based upon his experiences with that house. Just reading about it here through his posts has me glued to the monitor.

Tigercub
03-07-2009, 03:36 AM
It was red paint.

Still creepy.

From what I understand about cleansing, the ghost isn't kicked out to become (temporarily?) homeless. The purpose is to get the ghost to finally move on to the next world.

brainstorm77
03-07-2009, 04:53 AM
Please tell me it was red paint.... :eek:

Yes, I'm assuming it was red paint :) Thing is I would never paint over them .. Cause you just never know.....

writerterri
03-07-2009, 05:24 AM
It's only going to get worse, Joe. It could get meaner if someone actually moves in but how will you know? You don't have to do anything ritualistic, but, you can, however, pray to the living God and ask him to send the Holy Spirit to get it out or just leave it be as it is. I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing and could do the same. Perhaps, morally, you're obligated to ask for a cleansing. It could be that this house was put in your path for a reason. It wouldn't hurt to ask. I'll ask right along with you.

And you could go to a church and ask them to go out and bless the house. This ghost sounds demonic and probably shouldn't be messed with by someone who has little or no knowledge of the after life in it's authenticity.

Sounds hair raising what happened to the agent.

Best!

Beach Bunny
03-07-2009, 05:55 AM
"What? You want me to go out so the ghost gets pissed at me and not you?"

"Well, you seem to be getting along with it lately."

Gee, thanks.

:ROFL:

It's kind of hard to argue with that logic. :D



As far as 'cleansing', I'm not interested in that. I'd rather it stay right where it is, not out house-shopping.

:ROFL:

Maybe your realtor can find it a better place to haunt. Maybe an old abandoned building or something with a bit of history?

Joe270
03-07-2009, 06:55 AM
Maybe you're realtor can find it a better place to haunt. Maybe an old abandoned building or something with a bit of history?

I have thought about trying to relocate it. It seems to have expensive tastes, though.

Now if it wanted to do some house-hauntinghunting, we could find it something else which might stay vacant for a long time.

This house has, apparently, been vacant for several years now. The realtor and I are going to try to find out about the owners, there has only been one that we know of. The only thing we know about them is that the wife was a nurse.

Staceyp67
03-07-2009, 07:03 AM
Ok, the ghost would definitely get the house. I would be too afraid to deal with that. Scary stuff!!

Angie
03-07-2009, 07:08 AM
I hope someday he writes a story based upon his experiences with that house. Just reading about it here through his posts has me glued to the monitor.

I agree. I keep checking for updates to the story.

Beach Bunny
03-07-2009, 07:11 AM
I have thought about trying to relocate it. It seems to have expensive tastes, though.

How about the Bellagio or New York New York casino? Maybe it's bored. :)

Joe270
03-07-2009, 07:26 AM
Well, the Echelon is vacant and construction halted. CityCenter will be some 70% vacant when it finally opens.

Nah, it would be too crowded. Dozens of people have died working on those projects, they're bound to be seriously haunted already.

Carole
03-07-2009, 07:27 AM
This ghost sounds demonic and probably shouldn't be messed with by someone who has little or no knowledge of the after life in it's authenticity.



But ghosts (or spirits) and demons are two entirely different entities.

willfulone
03-07-2009, 07:36 AM
Joe?

Ghosts to not “shop” for new locations/houses if removed from a spot they are tied to. They are merely tied to a location for whatever reason they have disallowed themselves to move from it or whatever caused them to be there. Typically a ghost, at any given spot (this may not be true of ALL – but the majority), has a tie to that spot for some reason. Lived there, visited there, loved someone there, related to someone there, worked there, died there, just are tied for some actual reason – not for they wandered in after they died. And set up shop in some random place. Ghosts DO travel about, they are all about. But, they return to their “spot.” They have a “home” just like we do. A tie to something tangible for them that they return to and believe they belong in or to.

Some have not figured out they are dead and now a spirit so they do not leave this plain of existence. Or they do not realize they CAN move on or how to even if they know they are spirits. And, they need to be told to leave, asked to leave and shown it is okay to leave. “Cleansing” is the same as setting the ghost free of its tie to that spot on earth. They do not travel to another spot as you fear they might when they leave one spot or are told/asked to leave. There have been cases where it is claimed that poltergeist entities have traveled when such entity became attached to a person who was in the location. A live person that the “entity” became attached to. Thus, it travelled with the live body when that body left and haunted the new spot. But, the entity was not actually haunting the old spot or the new spot, but a person it attached to. Often, for ill intent. Your prior posts and this do not indicate such activity or poltergeist entity. Your story seems merely to be one of a ghost attached to that spot and fears sharing its place with others, does not realize it is no longer theirs, does not realize it can leave or know it is dead. And, that it needs to move on. It sees this as their spot and they are protecting their spot, their home, in the manner available to them. Scaring people off of it, out of it.

If the spirit is told to leave or asked to leave and told it is okay to move on, it will go and it will not haunt a new spot or person for it. It will be released and move on to the next plain of existence. It prolly does not even know the wonder in store for it; fears it and clings here for that reason alone. Release the ghost and it will go. There are many ways to do so. And, it is not harmful to you or to the ghost to do it.


Christine

Beach Bunny
03-07-2009, 07:42 AM
Am I the only one coming up with amusing story ideas from this conversation?

Not too diminish your troubles, Joe, but I have this image in my head of a ghost consulting with a realtor in her office over a suitable new place to haunt. :)

Joe270
03-07-2009, 07:45 AM
I've said before that it doesn't seem, to me at least, to intend harm. When I saw it, it was fleeing, not attacking.

Now I'd say this contact with the Realtor is pretty threatening in nature, but there's nothing but the suggestion of that.

To elaborate some on the Listing Agent's experiences, here's some more:

There is no link to her to any listing or report. Everything is listed through a broker, not her.

I asked because I wanted to be sure no one could be just messing with her. No way. The report is direct to the bank, and she knows no one there. All information is listed in the broker's name, not hers.

So that means it's nearly impossible to link her to the property.

You can't rotate or move pics in the program. You can do that on your computer, but not in the report.

In other news, it turns out I know some amateur ghost hunters. They have equipment like night vision cameras, etc. I didn't know they were into this when we were talking, and now they're all hot to go out there.

One, I don't want to piss it off. I have to work there.

Two, I have my bond to worry about. If we got caught, I'd lose my company.

Three, I have absolutely no confidence in that equipment actually recording anything.

Four, I have absolutely no confidence in them to know what the heck they're doing.

Joe270
03-07-2009, 07:58 AM
If the spirit is told to leave or asked to leave and told it is okay to move on, it will go and it will not haunt a new spot or person for it. It will be released and move on to the next plain of existence. It prolly does not even know the wonder in store for it; fears it and clings here for that reason alone. Release the ghost and it will go. There are many ways to do so. And, it is not harmful to you or to the ghost to do it.

That makes it sound like a good thing to do. I'd like more info about this, I'll need to start googling.

I don't want to screw this up. It seems the thing has some trust in me, and I'd hate to think what violating that trust might mean.

MumblingSage
03-13-2009, 08:58 PM
So this spirit is technologicaly savvy...interesting.

Would it be a good idea to tell the ghost you're willing to help it move on? I don't know how open to dialogue ghosts generally are, or this one in particular, but a good way to help living people trust you is to be open with them.

Matera the Mad
03-14-2009, 06:33 AM
Ghosts that manifest themselves via computer are highly suspect. Computers frequently hallucinate, and Windows is a notably insane operating system ;)