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Williebee
02-17-2009, 02:41 AM
Seen the new Terms of Service from Facebook (http://consumerist.com/5150175/facebooks-new-terms-of-service-we-can-do-anything-we-want-with-your-content-forever) yet?

From the article:


Now, anything you upload to Facebook can be used by Facebook in any way they deem fit, forever, no matter what you do later. Want to close your account? Good for you, but Facebook still has the right to do whatever it wants (http://www.facebook.com/terms#/terms.php?ref=pf) with your old content. They can even sublicense it if they want.

Nice!

We try to teach kids (and parents) that anything they post on the internet is there forever. Now we can teach them that it is up there, and somebody might be making money off of it.

RLB
02-17-2009, 02:49 AM
Agent Colleen Lindsay blogged about it as well:

http://theswivet.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-facebook-terms-of-service-grant.html

FB's rights apparently extend to your blog posts that have RSS feeds into FB. And anything you write within FB itself.

Beach Bunny
02-17-2009, 02:49 AM
At least they are being honest and telling the user about it. :)

maestrowork
02-17-2009, 03:08 AM
Well, I won't be feeding my blog to FB anymore, that's for sure.

Bravo
02-17-2009, 03:10 AM
i dont think they can claim ownership of blogs that have RSS feeds into facebook. that seems very illogical to me.

Ciera_
02-17-2009, 03:12 AM
Ah! I must stop posting content immediately. 'Cause, y'know, if they're going to use anyone's stuff, it'll be my word-count updates and pictures of my retarded dog. My top-secret stuff is just so fascinating, it's not fair. *pout*

Williebee
02-17-2009, 03:23 AM
FB's rights apparently extend to your blog posts that have RSS feeds into FB. And anything you write within FB itself.

Yeah, I don't see that one standing up in a court case. But it would be fun to see livejournal or myspace in court against facebook over who owns the rights to my snarky comments.
(THAT ought to get me a book deal.)

TheRightEyedDeer
02-17-2009, 03:30 AM
from The Consumerist:

Make sure you never upload anything you don't feel comfortable giving away forever, because it's Facebook's now.

(Note that as several readers have pointed out, this seems to be subject to your privacy settings, so anything you've protected from full public view doesn't seem to be usable in other ways regardless.)


I've got my Facebook privacy settings arranged so that only my friends can view photos, notes, status updates, etc. Does this mean that, under Facebook's new terms of service, that they can't own my stuff in perpetuity?

bsolah
02-17-2009, 03:40 AM
This is certainly troubling. I don't believe that can claim ownership to my blog posts fed via RSS. I already own it by posting it on my blog.

What does this mean, are Facebook going to sue me if I publish a photo I uploaded to Facebook as well?

robeiae
02-17-2009, 03:59 AM
What is "Facebook"?

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 03:59 AM
Now, anything you upload to Facebook can be used by Facebook in any way they deem fit, forever, no matter what you do later. Want to close your account? Good for you, but Facebook still has the right to do whatever it wants with your old content.

This also sounds like they're going to share your information with whoever wants it. It may not seem like a big deal now, but times change.

RLB
02-17-2009, 04:00 AM
i dont think they can claim ownership of blogs that have RSS feeds into facebook. that seems very illogical to me.

I thought it was weird too. I'm assuming Colleen Lindsay was saying FB own the snippets that get put into the Networked Blogs application. Although I think there is a way to automatically publish your new blog posts as "notes" on FB, so maybe they mean that? I'll have to poke around and see if anyone else has brought that up.

I hardly think FB will be exploiting my photos and wall posts for big bucks, but the blog thing would irk me, not that I've been blogging much lately!

bsolah
02-17-2009, 04:04 AM
This also sounds like they're going to share your information with whoever wants it. It may not seem like a big deal now, but times change.

Yeah, I agree.

I'm pretty careful what I say and do on Facebook already because of this. Maybe being a socialist makes me more wary because if times change, they can easily use info on Facebook to come after us commies.

BenPanced
02-17-2009, 04:06 AM
I guess they want to lay claim to the "25 random things about me" meme before MySpace or LiveJournal jump on it...

M.R.J. Le Blanc
02-17-2009, 04:07 AM
The only reason I know about this is because a friend posted about it. Otherwise I wouldn't have known. And I'm on fb as much as I'm on here (and I'm here A LOT lol)

Jersey Chick
02-17-2009, 04:10 AM
I'm sure that my "I'm going to take a nap" will come back to haunt me one day... ;)

Esopha
02-17-2009, 04:13 AM
This is why I don't talk about things of consequence on FB. Only non-Googleable chat rooms and emails.

Although I dislike the idea that if it's on FB's servers, they own the content. Are email providers going to follow suit? Because I'm damn sure USPS doesn't own anything I put through snail mail...

Dunno. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe it's not comparable. But it does bother me a little.

KTC
02-17-2009, 04:17 AM
If I ever see one of my status updates in neon I will scream bloody murder!

BenPanced
02-17-2009, 04:19 AM
I've only just gotten an account there and I'm finding there's too much crap on it for me to even be remotely interested in keeping up on it. I might be making it too complicated for myself, but I can't follow it too well.

Williebee
02-17-2009, 04:21 AM
This also sounds like they're going to share your information with whoever wants it.

Share? More likely sell. All your history to potential employers, marketing firms, etc.

ON THE OTHER HAND -- This would also function as a preemptive move, to streamline protecting themselves when they comply with some govt. agency's request for info.

Jersey Chick
02-17-2009, 04:22 AM
Oy - I came down with this stupid cold-flu-thingy, and came back to find over 30 requests. Sadly, I had to ignore a lot of them - sorry any AWers who sent them. It wasn't you. It was me.

That said, I have my settings on friends only. I don't know if that makes a difference, but it was the only way I was comfortable putting up pictures.

matdonna
02-17-2009, 04:30 AM
I wouldn't have heard about this either, except the groups page showed a friend had joined a group that was anti- the new TOS. Shouldn't FB be sending us all a message to tell us they have changed the TOS?

I too am concerned about my blog content. Sometimes I repost it not as feed but as a 'note', which FB friends are more likely to read and comment on, for some reason. Anyone else use the Networked Blogs application? I just love it, I find great things and keep up with blogs that interest me. Anyone know how that is affected by this change?

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 04:33 AM
Share? More likely sell. All your history to potential employers, marketing firms, etc.

ON THE OTHER HAND -- This would also function as a preemptive move, to streamline protecting themselves when they comply with some govt. agency's request for info.
I didn't want to be the first conspiracy theorist, but that was exactly what I was thinking.

M.R.J. Le Blanc
02-17-2009, 04:33 AM
See that's what FB is famous for. When they made this change from the old format to the new one they didn't make half the effor to inform anyone they were thinking about it as they did with their 'you're switching to new fb whether you like it or not.' Basically, they don't give a shit about their users. It's all about the cash. The new change was mostly done so that they could put more ads on the side.

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 04:47 AM
Yeah, I agree.

I'm pretty careful what I say and do on Facebook already because of this. Maybe being a socialist makes me more wary because if times change, they can easily use info on Facebook to come after us commies.

Our last president proved that we are vulnerable to dictatorship.

bsolah
02-17-2009, 04:49 AM
Our last president proved that we are vulnerable to dictatorship.

True. I mean, has the Patriot Act been repealed? They could easily extend the scope to capture Facebook info. Come knocking on people's door if they're part of an anti-war group or something.

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 05:17 AM
Shame is, that much like the Constitution, none of the people in charge have read the partiot<- (oooh that word) act.

Medievalist
02-17-2009, 05:30 AM
I have serious doubts that the retroactive clause, never mind the rest, is legal.

I'm awfully tempted to file a DMCA takedown notice, just to see what happens.

Cranky
02-17-2009, 05:36 AM
I don't think anything I put on there is that terribly fascinating or profitable to anyone else.

It's the whole principle of the thing that pisses me off. Tonight, I'm yanking all my imported blog posts. If it weren't for the fact that I keep in touch with some people with FB, I'd delete my entire account over this, it makes me that mad.

Williebee
02-17-2009, 05:43 AM
I'm awfully tempted to file a DMCA takedown notice, just to see what happens.

Is exactly what I was thinking. I have so little on there, any reason to hesitate would have to be an "other than content" reason.

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 05:57 AM
I don't think anything I put on there is that terribly fascinating or profitable to anyone else.

It's the whole principle of the thing that pisses me off. Tonight, I'm yanking all my imported blog posts. If it weren't for the fact that I keep in touch with some people with FB, I'd delete my entire account over this, it makes me that mad.
My wife has been trying to delete her account there for months and they're making it impossible for her.

M.R.J. Le Blanc
02-17-2009, 06:11 AM
My wife has been trying to delete her account there for months and they're making it impossible for her.

She wouldn't be the first. A guy in my town wanted to delete his account, and it was only after he went public with the story that they finally deleted his account.

BenPanced
02-17-2009, 07:32 AM
I also passed on the above link to the residents of my building -- I live in an artist's co-op and I'm not sure how many people here use FB to promote their work.

Cranky
02-17-2009, 09:21 AM
My wife has been trying to delete her account there for months and they're making it impossible for her.

That's freakin' ridiculous. They're a social networking site, not the bleeping Mafia.


She wouldn't be the first. A guy in my town wanted to delete his account, and it was only after he went public with the story that they finally deleted his account.

:eek:

Lyra Jean
02-17-2009, 09:57 AM
I was thinking about joining FB. But I'm not now.

brainstorm77
02-17-2009, 11:11 AM
I don't post much on the site and I keep my personal information other than my name off it.

Samantha's_Song
02-17-2009, 02:31 PM
If they want to use me and my brother and sister swearing at each other and calling each other daft names, then they're welcome to it. Actually, knowing that they might use ut, I'd probably be even more naughty :D

They'd better keep their greedy mits off all my hundreds of photos though.

Wayne K
02-17-2009, 02:58 PM
That's freakin' ridiculous. They're a social networking site, not the bleeping Mafia.
:eek:
:guns:Then why did this guy show up at our door?

Samantha's_Song
02-17-2009, 04:03 PM
Me too, even though I only have it set for those on my friends list to see my page, there's no personal information on there about me anyway.


I don't post much on the site and I keep my personal information other than my name off it.



Oh, and FB aren't the only web site that won't delete your account for the asking either. I have a dead account on a site which they won't delete, even though I'm not actually allowed to use it.

regdog
02-17-2009, 04:15 PM
Haven't joined Facebook, MySpace or anything like those sites. Horray for me

brainstorm77
02-18-2009, 11:39 AM
facebook has returned to its previous terms of use due to the feedback they have got in the last week or so they say.

Cassiopeia
02-18-2009, 11:40 AM
Here is what is at the heading of my home page.

Terms of Use Update

Over the past few days, we have received a lot of feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised.

brainstorm77
02-18-2009, 11:43 AM
Here is what is at the heading of my home page.

Yup same as what i got.

Wayne K
02-18-2009, 03:39 PM
facebook has returned to its previous terms of use due to the feedback they have got in the last week or so they say.
Feedback? People are fleeing that site like the plague. Lack of money is a good motivator.

regdog
02-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Feedback? People are fleeing that site like the plague. Lack of money is a good motivator.


Shh, don't confuse their reality with truth

brainstorm77
02-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Feedback? People are fleeing that site like the plague. Lack of money is a good motivator.

I'm only saying what they posted!

Wayne K
02-18-2009, 04:09 PM
I'm only saying what they posted!
I know that, I'm interpreting what I hear them saying.

brainstorm77
02-18-2009, 04:10 PM
Well its a stupid policy to start with... Did they actually think it was going to work? Makes me wonder who is running the place and if they have half a brain?

Wayne K
02-18-2009, 04:17 PM
Well its was a stupid policy to start with... Did they actually think it was going to work? Makes me wonder who is running the place and if they have half a brain?
I think it's the same guy who thought up new coke.

Alpha Echo
02-18-2009, 04:41 PM
At least they are being honest and telling the user about it. :)

True, but they didn't give the users options to disallow this new policy. User don't have a choice. If you ever posted on Facebook, whatever's there is there forever, and they can use it however they like.

Glad I never used Facebook.

Carole
02-18-2009, 05:48 PM
WTF?! I was joking with someone not long ago about how that would be the next step--a person owns the copyright as soon as something is created . . .unless......Someplace like Facebook or Myspace decides to claim ownership.

Great.

Just.

Great.

I smell lawsuits.

Carole
02-18-2009, 06:35 PM
facebook has returned to its previous terms of use due to the feedback they have got in the last week or so they say.


Here is what is at the heading of my home page.


Yup same as what i got.

Thing is, I just now read their terms of service. The TOS listed at the bottom of my homepage on Facebook. Under user content, it STILL says that Facebook has the permanent, irrevocable right to basically copy, use, license and sublicense anything and everything forever, even after the user closes his or her account.

Namatu
02-18-2009, 06:40 PM
I was on the fence about how I felt about Facebook, even after opening an account. I don't need more computer distraction, and if people really want to know what I'm up to, I figure they'll call or email me. This does not change that feeling. In fact, it reinforces that feeling. Icky.