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Horserider
02-10-2009, 01:28 AM
Thought you guys might be curious to know that the Kindle 2 debut was today.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213401718&subSection=News


Amazon.com on Monday released a new version of its Kindle electronic-book reader, but the slimmer and lighter upgrade of the original is drawing criticism from some Kindle users.

Rather than make any dramatic changes, Amazon has tweaked the original book-sized Kindle. The new version is a third of an inch thick, weighs about 10 ounces, gets more battery life, and has an improved display. In addition, Amazon has added more storage (http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=storage&x=&y=) and has made the device faster. The price, however, remains the same: $359.

$359??? You can buy 24 $15 books for that much!!!

James81
02-10-2009, 01:29 AM
Cool. This means that Kindle 1 will start being sold for chump change and I can finally get one.

Williebee
02-10-2009, 01:41 AM
$359??? You can buy 24 $15 books for that much!!!

True. Question is, how many $15 dollar books do you read a year? How many $10 ones?
And, the year after that?

Not that I'm defending it.
First, because the big upgrade is that the video for Kindle 2 is "now in 15 shades of Gray"!!!
Second, because I'm waiting for it to come out with "that new book smell".

KTC
02-10-2009, 01:43 AM
boycott the kindle. buy a book.

Williebee
02-10-2009, 01:44 AM
The real question I have is: If you buy the download, does the author still get the same percentage?

Sheryl Nantus
02-10-2009, 02:00 AM
I've always said, and continue to say, that ebooks are NEVER going to take off until they produce an ebook reader that costs under $100. And that shows the colors of those magnificent covers that the artists work so hard to design.

Until then it's going to just be a cool expensive toy.

:(

alleycat
03-14-2009, 05:30 PM
I friend I work with got a new Kindle 2. I have to say, the thing is pretty impressive. While I was playing around with it some other people came by and saw it and the general consensus was that it was "way cool".

I don't feel like shelling out $360 for one just yet, but I can see one in my future. At the same time, I sure hope books don't go the way of the cassette Walkman and the slide rule.

Wayne K
03-14-2009, 05:46 PM
I've read 12 books this year and it hasn't cost me a dime. I'm a big library person. As far as e-books I have no interest in sitting here at the computer longer than I do. I like to run away from home to read.

alleycat
03-14-2009, 06:15 PM
I've read 12 books this year and it hasn't cost me a dime. I'm a big library person. As far as e-books I have no interest in sitting here at the computer longer than I do. I like to run away from home to read.
I understand. I haven't exactly embraced e-books myself. However, the Kindle has an automatic wireless connection. Sitting at the beach and decide you want to read the latest Stephen King book? . . . you can download it within minutes. I can see where a lot of people would pay for the privilege (just think of what people pay for the privilege of sending little text messages to their friends or yakking as they drive down the road).

I have no idea where this is all going. Will books become less common as digital downloads take over? Will books share the marketplace with downloads? Will e-books remain the exception? Will e-books provide more opportunities for writers? Will books be beamed directly into our brain implants? I don't know. Some industries have been slow to adapt to the "brave new digital world" (newspapers come to mind) and are paying a price for it now. I'm sure traditional publishers are thinking about all of this.

Anyway, just one more thing to think about.

Wayne K
03-14-2009, 06:26 PM
I understand. I haven't exactly embraced e-books myself. However, the Kindle has an automatic wireless connection. Sitting at the beach and decide you want to read the latest Stephen King book? . . . you can download it within minutes. I can see where a lot of people would pay for the privilege (just think of what people pay for the privilege of sending little text messages to their friends or yakking as they drive down the road).

I have no idea where this is all going. Will books become less common as digital downloads take over? Will books share the marketplace with downloads? Will e-books remain the exception? Will e-books provide more opportunities for writers? Will books be beamed directly into our brain implants? I don't know. Some industries have been slow to adapt to the "brave new digital world" (newspapers come to mind) and are paying a price for it now. I'm sure traditional publishers are thinking about all of this.

Anyway, just one more thing to think about.

It sounds like a rich kids toy to me. Besides, I reserve the right to throw a book across the room or into the fireplace. I would give Kindle a new meaning.

alleycat
03-14-2009, 06:36 PM
It sounds like a rich kids toy to me.
Drive through the projects and count the number of cell phones being used (and some of them not by drug dealers ;-).


I wondered if someone had already started a YouBook site. I looked. Well, they have but it's an Australia book exchange site.

Devil Ledbetter
03-14-2009, 07:13 PM
Thought you guys might be curious to know that the Kindle 2 debut was today.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213401718&subSection=News



$359??? You can buy 24 $15 books for that much!!!And you'll be paying close to that much for the Kindle books you load onto it, anyway.

I'd like to try someone else's. I'm also a big fan of the library. That reminds me, I have a pile of books due back today.

Wayne K
03-14-2009, 07:50 PM
Drive through the projects and count the number of cell phones being used (and some of them not by drug dealers ;-).


I wondered if someone had already started a YouBook site. I looked. Well, they have but it's an Australia book exchange site.

The corner boys use dump phones, they're a lot cheaper.

I think the thing that really bothers me about this is the mentality of someone who needs something immediatly. Like the girl who simply had to text her BFF Jill and got everyone killed because she was driving at the time. I'm a firm believer in the journey making someone appreciate something more. I like bookstores and libraries too so I would feel like I was missing out on something if it magically appeared in my hands.

Then again, I'm a dinosaur.

Beach Bunny
03-14-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm sure the eye doctors will appreciate the switch to ebooks, just think of all the new patients they'll have from people reading computer screens instead of paper. (You don't blink as much when you read a computer screen.)

I'm all for technology, but I hope ebooks don't take off. It takes longer and it is harder to read an ebook.

JLCwrites
03-14-2009, 09:22 PM
I live near a paper mill that pollutes the air and the river. I won't frown on alternative ways to get stories into people's hands.

Devil Ledbetter
03-14-2009, 10:31 PM
According to the product description, the new Kindle "Reads like real paper; now boasts 16 shades of gray for clear text and even crisper images."

From the full Amazon description:
Paper-like Screen

Utilizing the latest in electronic-ink display technology, Kindle provides a crisp black-and-white 6" screen with the same appearance and readability of printed paper. Sharp and natural with no glare or backlight, reading on Kindle is nothing like reading from a computer screen. Those who see it for the first time always do a double-take. The screen works using ink, just like books and newspapers, but displays the ink particles electronically. And unlike a laptop or smart phone, Kindle never gets warm so you can comfortably read as long as you like.

That hardly sounds like a boon to optometrists to me.

I hope that the Kindle and similar book hardware become wildly popular. The more books people buy, whether e-books or printed, the better off authors will be. There may be a lot more profit in e-books because they don't require printing, shipping, warehousing, retail space, etc.

maestrowork
03-14-2009, 10:46 PM
I'm sure the eye doctors will appreciate the switch to ebooks, just think of all the new patients they'll have from people reading computer screens instead of paper. (You don't blink as much when you read a computer screen.)

I'm all for technology, but I hope ebooks don't take off. It takes longer and it is harder to read an ebook.


The Kindle and new e-Books use what's called e-Ink. they have no back-light and reads like actual ink and paper (thus, you need a reading light just like you would with a book). Plus you can change the font size -- something you can't do with print.

So e-book readers won't hurt your eyes, no more than a print book would. So don't knock the technology.

So many people have the WRONG idea of what the new e-Book readers do -- it's kind of irritating, actually. It's not your grandfather's tiny laptop or Palm Pilot screens.

In fact, you get more eye strains from your laptops or desktop monitors -- it doesn't stop people from being on the Internet or staring at their computer screens for hours. So why criticize an e-Book reader that actually doesn't strain your eyes?

Devil Ledbetter
03-14-2009, 10:51 PM
The Kindle and new e-Books use what's called e-Ink. they have no back-light and reads like actual ink and paper (thus, you need a reading light just like you would with a book). Plus you can change the font size -- something you can't do with print.

So e-book readers won't hurt your eyes, no more than a print book would. So don't knock the technology.

So many people have the WRONG idea of what the new e-Book readers do -- it's kind of irritating, actually. It's not your grandfather's tiny laptop or Palm Pilot screens.

In fact, you get more eye strains from your laptops or desktop monitors -- it doesn't stop people from being on the Internet or staring at their computer screens for hours. So why criticize an e-Book reader that actually doesn't strain your eyes?Ray, do you have me on ignore?:tongue

Wayne K
03-14-2009, 11:35 PM
One of the very few things we still make in this country is books. These electronic devices you kids use are all made in China or India or some damned place. That's my main problem with electronics.
I honestly don't care how people read as long as they're reading. It's a lot of money for something that, in my opinion, is better spent on actual books. I love books is all.

ETA: I found this in "What are you doing right now"


Just came back from a library's quarterly book sale. I got 30 (count 'em--30!) books for under ten dollars. I was there for two hours and could have spent more time looking through the boxes and bins. And most were in excellent condition.

A sign of the times--a lot more people (first-timers) were there.

Now I'm off to find a place for all the books....
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stormie
03-14-2009, 11:53 PM
You beat me to it, Wayne! I was just going to repeat myself.

In five years maybe I'll look into the latest ebook reader. As long as it's a lot cheaper and shows whatever's downloaded in color.

Til then: book sales at the library. :)

Wayne K
03-15-2009, 12:11 AM
You beat me to it, Wayne! I was just going to repeat myself.

In five years maybe I'll look into the latest ebook reader. As long as it's a lot cheaper and shows whatever's downloaded in color.

Til then: book sales at the library. :)

I feel so busted.

Wayne K
03-15-2009, 12:16 AM
I live near a paper mill that pollutes the air and the river. I won't frown on alternative ways to get stories into people's hands.

Actually books are the most recycled material in the world. Advertisments and packaging are the paper problem. I've bought recycled books all my life and have books that I've owned for twenty or so years.
I'm on my fourth computer and had seven or eight cell phones. There was a story recently about the garbage piles from electronics that scared the hell out of me.

I lived in Marcus Hook Pa. for a few months so I feel you though. We were sandwiched between two oil refineries and I saw progress at it's savage best. The sky was fake and the drinking water had a smell and it burned when you showered.

Grrarrgh
03-15-2009, 04:56 AM
I got the original Kindle as a Christmas gift when it first came out and I really enjoy it. I still read paper books, still use the library, but this is just so much more convenient to take places with me. I hate leaving the house without a book, and this way I don't have to. The last vacation we took before I got it, I had to pay extra to check my luggage because all of the books I had in it weighed the suitcase down so much. It's definitely not an issue at all with this. I still don't read the majority of my books on it, but it is a great addition to feed my habit.

I like the looks of the Kindle 2, but I don't see enough of a difference to make me re-think the one I have or wish I could afford an upgrade. But I do recommend it to anyone who's on the fence about it. I like the e-readers, and the Kindle has adjustable font, so you can make it as big as you want. I never feel my eyes straining when I use it.

Wayne K
03-15-2009, 05:18 AM
I was thinking it would be handy to travel with.

Pagey's_Girl
03-15-2009, 05:26 AM
...I hate leaving the house without a book, and this way I don't have to. The last vacation we took before I got it, I had to pay extra to check my luggage because all of the books I had in it weighed the suitcase down so much. It's definitely not an issue at all with this. I still don't read the majority of my books on it, but it is a great addition to feed my habit.

Remembering times I've been stuck waiting somewhere, finished the book I was reading and wished wished wished I'd brought that other book I was in the middle of - or wanted to start - with me...no, I wouldn't want it to replace paper, but the idea of having a potential library in one small package is alluring.

And I'm with DL on this one - anything that makes reading more convenient for more people is good.

maestrowork
03-15-2009, 06:44 AM
Post #18 is missing.

:)

maestrowork
03-15-2009, 06:47 AM
I was thinking it would be handy to travel with.

A friend of mine has one he travels extensively with -- he has probably about 500 books on it, from magazines to newspapers to nonfiction to fiction. I'm kind of jealous.

Except I really don't like the Kindle. I find the buttons and controls and the software really clunky and annoying. I like the e-Ink and e-books very much, but I just don't find the device enjoyable. I also think the price tag is too steep. I personally wouldn't consider an e-book reader unless they come down in prices -- $150 would be acceptable if they also accepts file formats such as PDF, RTF, etc.

Bravo
03-15-2009, 08:17 AM
has anyone tried to read a book on an iphone?

Cranky
03-15-2009, 11:17 AM
A friend of mine has one he travels extensively with -- he has probably about 500 books on it, from magazines to newspapers to nonfiction to fiction. I'm kind of jealous.

Except I really don't like the Kindle. I find the buttons and controls and the software really clunky and annoying. I like the e-Ink and e-books very much, but I just don't find the device enjoyable. I also think the price tag is too steep. I personally wouldn't consider an e-book reader unless they come down in prices -- $150 would be acceptable if they also accepts file formats such as PDF, RTF, etc.

I quite agree about the price of the thing, but I gotta admit seeing it inspired a very special sort of lust in me. Oh, how I wants one....

And I love books just the way they are. I read 'em on paper, on the computer, in whatever format I can get my greedy little hands on. Of course, I'm the kind of person that reads the backs of shampoo bottles in the shower and cereal boxes at the breakfast table, so that might be a sign I've got an incy weency problem.:D

Grrarrgh
03-15-2009, 06:30 PM
I do agree that the price is too steep. It would be different if it cost that much, but you got a certain # of books with it or X number of books per month were factored into the price. Or something. Having to buy all of the books on top of the steep pricetag is one of the biggest roadblocks I've heard from people. Honestly, as much as I love it and am glad I have it, it's not something I would have bought for myself at this price. But it was a Christmas gift, so I was quite thrilled to accept it. :)

Wayne K
03-15-2009, 06:43 PM
has anyone tried to read a book on an iphone?

I did. I had it on vibrate.

Devil Ledbetter
03-15-2009, 09:10 PM
I did. I had it on vibrate.No wonder you didn't answer all those times I called.

maestrowork
03-15-2009, 09:24 PM
has anyone tried to read a book on an iphone?


Yes, I have Stanza on the iPhone and it's okay. Screen is a bit too small -- Stanza now supports FictionWise, etc. so it's really cool. Plus all the free books (mostly classic literature). With the Stanza Desktop software you can "make" your own e-book, too, but the process is a bit involving to get the format just right.

But the iPhone screen is backlit and small, etc. so it really hurts my eyes.

stormie
03-15-2009, 11:26 PM
Of course, I'm the kind of person that reads the backs of shampoo bottles in the shower and cereal boxes at the breakfast table, so that might be a sign I've got an incy weency problem.:D
*Raises hand frantically* Me too! I belong to Readers Anonymous. I mean, there I am, in a doctor's waiting room with magazines that look like they've been sneezed all over, so instead I read all the signs on the walls over the people's heads. It's embarassing because they think I'm staring at them. But it's just so interesting to read about the privacy laws.