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Saint Fool
02-07-2009, 03:00 AM
"one day men will look back and say that I gave birth to the twentieth century"

Was this a quote from one of the "Jack the Ripper" letters? Or was it written by Alan Moore in FROM HELL?

I'm critting new plays, one of which quotes this as coming from a Ripper letter sent after Liz Stride and Catherine Eddos were killed on the same night. It's been a long time since I read the graphic novel, but I thought that **Spoiler - small print - white type --- highlight to read***William Gull said it during his vision of future London. *** End spoiler***

When I Google, I'm finding the quote but no source.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give or any direction you can point me in.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:04 AM
I don't think it is from the letters.

It strikes me as made up for the movie. It sounds far too articulate to be from a Jack letter and in From Hell I believe it was attributed to Dr Gull. While he was a suspect, of course, no one was ever fingered for the crimes.

alleycat
02-07-2009, 03:31 AM
It was in one of the letters.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:33 AM
Which one?

alleycat
02-07-2009, 03:38 AM
Which one?
That, I don't remember. I went through a "Ripper" phase at one time and read much of the literature on the Ripper case, but it's been a while. Unless I've gotten completely confused, that quotes if from one of the Ripper letters that is more or less accepted as being from the real Ripper. I did watch From Hell at least a couple of times, so it's possible I've somehow come to think of it as a real quote and it isn't.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:43 AM
It doesn't look as if it is.

Ripper letters (http://www.casebook.org/ripper_letters/).

I thought it sounded too articulate to be a Jack quote and it appears to be something attributed to Dr Gull in the film. As he was the Ripper in that movie it could easily have been attributed to Jack when it was merely something said by From Hell's Jack.

(Incidentally that, and the Patrick Bergen (sp?) movie annoy the living piss out of me for all the inaccuracies in them so this misquote doesn't really surprise me. Still, at least FH had Johnny Depp).

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:47 AM
...I'm critting new plays, one of which quotes this as coming from a Ripper letter sent after Liz Stride and Catherine Eddos were killed on the same night...

They don't know Jack...:roll:

alleycat
02-07-2009, 03:49 AM
Well, now I'm confused (won't be the first time). I could have sworn that was an actual Ripper quote.

I still think it's something to do with the actual Ripper case, and not just from the film. I'll have to do more research.

Bmwhtly
02-07-2009, 03:52 AM
There are newspaper articles (including quotesof the letters) from the period at The Times (timesonline.co.uk) if that helps.

(I would link directly to the archive, but dial-up and timesonline aren't friends)

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:52 AM
I've googled the shit out of that quote and can't find attribution anywhere but the film although it might have been taken from the original comic book.

It's incongruous with all the "Deer polisman, i et teh kidne nom nom nom" letters. Far too articulate. :ROFL:

IceCreamEmpress
02-07-2009, 03:57 AM
I did watch From Hell at least a couple of times, so it's possible I've somehow come to think of it as a real quote and it isn't.

I think that's probably the case. It definitely isn't in the letters.

The postcard that was sent after the Eddowes/Stride murders was the "Saucy Jacky" postcard.

alleycat
02-07-2009, 03:58 AM
I think you might be right, scarlet. I can't find a reliable sources that attributes that quote to the Ripper. One even states that a writer made up the line; although it doesn't say whether it was from the From Hell graphic novel, or even earlier.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 03:59 AM
Sorry if I seem a bit dogmatic about this issue. My (step)dad is an amateur Ripperologist and never banned his books to me as a kid; I was allowed to read them even as a young 'un so I grew up on Ripper lore. Absolutely fascinating case.

IceCreamEmpress
02-07-2009, 04:00 AM
Saint Fool, the place you're remembering it happening in the graphic novel sounds right to me. In the movie, it's said to Inspector Abberline.

DeleyanLee
02-07-2009, 04:02 AM
"one day men will look back and say that I gave birth to the twentieth century"

Was this a quote from one of the "Jack the Ripper" letters? Or was it written by Alan Moore in FROM HELL?

I'm critting new plays, one of which quotes this as coming from a Ripper letter sent after Liz Stride and Catherine Eddos were killed on the same night. It's been a long time since I read the graphic novel, but I thought that **Spoiler - small print - white type --- highlight to read***William Gull said it during his vision of future London. *** End spoiler***

When I Google, I'm finding the quote but no source.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give or any direction you can point me in.

It's a movie quote, not historical. Scroll down to almost the end of the page.

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/periodicals/ripperologist.2005-12.html

alleycat
02-07-2009, 04:04 AM
Sorry if I seem a bit dogmatic about this issue. My (step)dad is an amateur Ripperologist and never banned his books to me as a kid; I was allowed to read them even as a young 'un so I grew up on Ripper lore. Absolutely fascinating case.
That's okay; I'm glad to know what was actually from the case, and what was made up later. I'm just surprised that I got confused about what was real and what was fiction; I'm usually pretty good about those sort of things.

DeleyanLee
02-07-2009, 04:07 AM
Sorry if I seem a bit dogmatic about this issue. My (step)dad is an amateur Ripperologist and never banned his books to me as a kid; I was allowed to read them even as a young 'un so I grew up on Ripper lore. Absolutely fascinating case.

Oh, please be dogmatic! It's great to see someone being serious about the case.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 04:11 AM
That's okay; I'm glad to know what was actually from the case, and what was made up later. I'm just surprised that I got confused about what was real and what was fiction; I'm usually pretty good about those sort of things.

Johnny Depp has that effect on me too. ;)


Oh, please be dogmatic! It's great to see someone being serious about the case.

Don't get me started! :ROFL:

I once filled a notebook with my theories on the case. I was about 13 at the time. My dad was secretly proud. It must have been roughly 50,000 words...about the most famous serial murder case ever.

Yeah. My schoolmates were playing with dolls and swooning over pop bands. I was scribbling away in my notebook of death.

alleycat
02-07-2009, 04:15 AM
Have you ever read In Cold Blood, scarlet?

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 04:17 AM
I haven't. Jack is my first love.

Wait. Now I sound weird.

I better not tell you my Jackbook had headings like "The coach used to transport Eddowes' body???", "Poison used to sedate victims?", "Possible collaboration between 2 or more killers" and "The royal connection"...

DeleyanLee
02-07-2009, 04:20 AM
Don't get me started! :ROFL:

I once filled a notebook with my theories on the case. I was about 13 at the time. My dad was secretly proud. It must have been roughly 50,000 words...about the most famous serial murder case ever.

Yeah. My schoolmates were playing with dolls and swooning over pop bands. I was scribbling away in my notebook of death.

Were we twins separated at birth?

No, wait. Guess not. You're much more attractive than I am.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 04:22 AM
I was allowed to stay up late to watch the Michael Caine mini-series. What a load of old toot it was. Lifted entirely from Stephen Knight's book which was itself a load of old toot.

I still have it on VHS...it's good for a trashy night of Jack, though. :D

alleycat
02-07-2009, 04:23 AM
Of course, In Cold Blood is nothing like the Ripper case. There's no mystery to who committed the crimes, or what happened to them after they were caught and tried (the state of Kansas hung them). Still, it's well worth reading, even if Capote made up a few things. I think you might enjoy it.

I've sometimes suggested to those wanting to add a prologue to their book that they at least read Chapter 1 of In Cold Blood. It's actually a prologue, and one of the best I've ever read. It sets the time and place very well, and draws the reader into the book.

alleycat
02-07-2009, 04:27 AM
Wait, does anyone remember the film Time After Time? I'm thinking that Ripper "quote" was in that film as well. Maybe that's where it originally came from.

More research . . .

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 04:33 AM
The ripper casebook site suggests as much, so you could be right...it rings a bell with me, too, come to think of it.

alleycat
02-07-2009, 04:38 AM
The ripper casebook site suggests as much, so you could be right...it rings a bell with me, too, come to think of it.
It seems like it was at the very end of the film. It's been a long time since I've seen the movie however.

scarletpeaches
02-07-2009, 04:40 AM
And it makes sense, because how else would Jack know the twentieth century would remember him...unless he'd been there? ;)

DeleyanLee
02-07-2009, 04:58 AM
Sounds like a Jack film fest coming up this weekend. YUM!

alleycat
02-07-2009, 05:10 AM
Might as well add in some fun and watch Murder By Decree as well.

Saint Fool
02-07-2009, 06:07 AM
Thanks! It's attributed to the Jack letters on so many Ripper/crime/serial killer sites that I think it's become an internet urban legend.

Unfortunately, it's also the final nail in the coffin for a boring talky script that I tried to finish reading because I'm intrigued by the Ripper. But the quote stopped me dead. I assume Mary Kelley will walk out of the empty bar to meet her fate as the fifth victim of the ripper, but I'm done.

At least this one didn't have a great idea and characters that crashed and burned in the second act. There are more of those submitted to play competitions than you might think.

Sigh.

Again, thanks!