Feedback needed re a specific diet - any food specialist in here ... vegetarians?

Hi + to the point - can anyone give me feedback on this diet = http://users.skynet.be/spier/docfiles/2008asdietdoc.doc

I wrote it myself drawing from another diet I got from somebody quit awhile ago. It works and does dig deep 'into' the 'metabolistic thingies' of your body. From the choice of foodstuffs you can see that initially much acid-forming foodstuffs (meat) is to be consumed to bring about that 'burning away' of fats and leave your system more toward base. It leaves one after two weeks with a considerable loss of weight, etc. Some 8 Kg. But the main aim of the diet is to set a change in eating habits and leaves you 'revitalised' after the period of two weeks. You stay healty (and thinner) afterwards. I have done this diet some 7 years ago and it does 'work' ... but, and this is now the situation with me: the last 6 months I have 'fatten' myself up ... I think deliberately, etc. For a lot of reasons (among others, I wanted to be fat). However, now I need to bring down my weight again because I am developing knee problems. I am 84 Kg and that's not really that much 'over-weight' but its still too heavy, etc. and I doesn't feel so well after the festivities of late. I strated the diet 3 days ago. And here's now my problem - after 3 days of following the diet I am in doubt of it! I was eating quite vegetarian (with a lot of meat over Christmas - gooood vegetarian etc. + Turkey is turkey...) for many years and tonight (the first Wednesday menu) when I had to eat ham and boiled eggs ... I couldn't stomached it! I wanted to vomit and even left the eggs out. I had only ham and salad. But even the ham left me with a feeling of a swollen tummy.

So my question to you is:

What do you think of the diet? What of its calory intake? What of its use of meat? Can I for instance change the evening steak for say, beans? Why does the diet changes/revitalises your metabolism? Any comment?

All input would be appreciated!

Argo

James81 said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/diet_042005.gif

Follow that, and then exercise 5 days a week.

Not only will it jumpstart your metabolism, but you will feel healthier and BE healthier.

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tnx James ... mm

cray said:

eat less. exercise more.

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there's no logic to this ... better eat as much as you want then you'll have the desire to exercise. but ok, less intake of this that is maybe ok. have you heard of 'de-snailling' your body? getting the bad yechies out of your system (body) in a spurt of a health dive. I am onto this and am preparing for it. but what I need to know re that diet, what, how can make variations (more towards the vegetarian scene) and have the same less than 800 calory intake per day. what can replace eggs for instance?

tnx post!

Kate Thornton said:

I like Michael Pollan's advice:

1. Eat food (you know, real food, not processed junk)
2. Not too much.
3. Mostly plants.

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tnx so much Kate ... I am reading this now. See this qoute - The result is what Michael Pollan calls the American paradox: The more we worry about nutrition, the less healthy we seem to become.

'Doing' diets is quite 'dangerous' I think ... that's why I posted here! I am quite slender and do mostly eat what you say here but the last year I deliberately tried to put on weight ... out of boredom I suppose. But now I need to pull myself together.

TO ATANI - Omg yes, I am hooked on coffee! I know its a problem and maybe THIS is my problem. I have a knee problem (had an accident when I was 20 and the knee is now giving in after many years) and coffee leaves recidues or bad goodies behind in the joints, like alcohol, no? Do you think coffee interferes with the diet I mentioned?

TO NEVADA - Are you sure about the fact that 'starvation mode' makes the body hangs onto fat? Plse look at the menu in its whole ... there's that 'spurt' of meat in the beginning of the week. That gives the acid needed to make the click for a change in metabolism. The rest of the week there's small but sufficient base input to sustain the 'muscles'. I am NOT defending this, I am asking. I also don't know, see?

HERE THE DIET - 14 days



FIRST WEEK


Monday: Morning Black coffee (no sugar or milk and not too strong)
Noon 2 Hard boiled eggs, spinach cooked in water, 1 tomato
Evening 1 Big grilled steak, salad with olive oil and fresh lemon

Tuesday: Morning Black coffee, 1 biscuit or toast (just 1 and no butter)
Noon 1 Big grilled steak, salad (with oil and lemon) and an apple
Evening NOTHING!!!

Wednesday: Morning Black coffee, 1 biscuit or toast
Noon Cooked celery (as much as you want), 1 tomato, 1 orange
Evening 2 Hard boiled eggs, salad and 100gr ham with no fat on it

Thursday: Morning Black coffee, 1 biscuit or toast
Noon 1 Hard boiled egg, raw carrots (as much as you want), oil, lemon
juice, 100gr gruyere cheese
Evening Fruit salad (1 apple, 1 pear mixed in juice of 1 orange), yogurt
(no sugar on the yogurt)

Friday: Morning Rasped carrots with juice of 1 lemon (no oil)
Noon 1 Big fish cooked in water (NO salmon), 1 tomato
Evening 1 Big grilled steak with fennel salad (no oil but 1 lemon)

Saturday: Morning Black coffee, 1 biscuit or toast
Noon 1 Big grilled chicken (no skin or fatty pieces and sauce), salad (no oil this time)
Evening CHOOSE any one of the evening meals you had so far

Sunday: Today you are treated! CHOOSE any menu from one of the
previous days!



SECOND WEEK
Repeat the same menu for WEEK ONE.


TO FIZZ - Nice to 'see ya' too! Yes I am on a diet ... reposessing what I lost kind of thing, see? Smile! And for the rest, I've been doing some pretty good stuff since we talked but they all went bad. Its this rising of China thing that cause the downturn ... they are exporting the ying-yang stuff now to the west, the up and down! It was far better when we had no fast communication, don't you think? Then we all believed we are ok etc. blah blah such et al, see? I'd been doing opera (many) http://users.skynet.be/spier/2008operapages/2008operaindex.htm
and wrote some have dead poetry http://users.skynet.be/spier/2008shoefiction/2008shoeora11.htm
And you? What have you been doing that can just go into the margins?

Its Thursday in my world ... I just cannot eat another egg!!!! What can I replace it with ... so that the whole diet still keeps its validity?


Thursday: Morning Black coffee, 1 biscuit or toast
Noon 1 Hard boiled egg, raw carrots (as much as you want), oil, lemon
juice, 100gr gruyere cheese
Evening Fruit salad (1 apple, 1 pear mixed in juice of 1 orange), yogurt
(no sugar on the yogurt)

veinglory said:

The diet does not have any validity. The scientific content is less plausible than Star Trek techno-gabble. Several elements of this diet would be very, very damaging to health--none of the benefits claimed are plausible in the slightest.

In short: it is utter bollocks.

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Nice to see you again veinglory ... oh, this is bad news. I am doubting it too and re the ref to being 'dangerous', this is what I am affraid of. I felt like a rabbit today eating only carrots and cheese. Cheeseman hadn't had gruere cheese so I bought emmmentaler, the one with the holes in it. I bought 120 gram ... to cover for the holes! Last night I felt terrible but today I felt super, had a lot of energy, accomplished a lot (exercise), etc. I am keeping it up now because of that 'fear' of fiddling with metabolic changes. Please elaborate more re your viewpoint. What can be changed? See there's a lot of meat inj it and the meat (acid-forming) is used to 'burn' away precisely the overall acid access one has. I have done this diet before and i remember being 'well' for many years after it ... with a changed craving of foodstuffs. For more vegetables etc. and greens.

Old Hack said:

What veinglory said. This is a TERRIBLE diet. Just terrible. Do what Neuro suggested; follow a good varied diet, don't eat so much, and get more exercise. But don't follow the diet sheet you've posted above, as it's not going to do you any good at all.

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Omg, the umph person who says this! See what I have posted to Veinglory. Look, I have to get thin quick ... even if I have to starve. This is my last chance to see if I can save my knee (for a while longer) as if not I will have to get a bio-sonic cobalt blah iron protese. My diets up to now (past 7 years) contained much variety with the emphasis on vegetarian stuff. I did Tai Chi once a day (that's a lot of exercise) but since the knee gave in this has fallen away and I was stuck with my 'variety normal diet' picking up weight. What exactly do you mean by this is a 'terrible' diet? What do you suggest to change?

Maybe I should go to a dietitian tomorrow ... because I am on it now and I think stopping would be worse than sticking it out. Listen, is it that bad? Why not try a lean steak roasted without fat and sqeece a lemon over it. Its strange but its ok. That can't be that bad? Can it?

Kate Thornton said:

Unless you are diebetic. Please get tested. In fact, before a radical shift in dietary & exercise habits, get a blood work up.

I thought I was dying of stomach cancer & weighed nearly 200 - but I was diabetic & didn't know it. A year on the American Diabetes Association recommended meal plan endorsed by my doctor, and I am in the 140's and still losing slowly, free of pain & digestion problems and very much active. I am controlling my diabetes through medication, diet & exercise and the weight loss has been a dramatic - but incidental - side effect.

I can't tell you how much better I feel!

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this 200 ... is it 200 Kilograms or pounds? Pounds are less than a kilogram ...

BenPanced said:

And then there's the yo-yo effect. You go on the diet, you lose the weight, how do you maintain? Keep on the same menus? Good chance of serious medical issues. Go back to eating the way you did before? Almost 100% chance you'll gain it all back and then some.

Eat less, exercise more.

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Not if you have 'changed' ... and I think I am ready for this. I am also fed-up for this small tummy I am developing, expensive pants that doesn' fit anymore, etc. Ok, the problem is when you go to a restaurant afterwards you cant say 'I don't want this or that or that, etc.' A whole set of value changes ... no coffee, hash or whatever!

(Oeee maybe the diet IS wrong!)

Shadow_Ferret said:

No, I've only heard of de-snailing fish tanks. Now back away from that diet.

As others have stated, fad diets, pop diets, metabolistic thingie diets, psychobabble diets don't work and are often dangerous.

To put it into simple terms: ingest less, expend more.

Simply eat less, which can be achieved in several ways. Drink a full glass of water before you start to eat. Or with each bite. Set your fork down. Concentrate on just chewing and savoring the food. Take a large drink. Repeat. This will slow down your eating enough for you body to signal that you are getting full.

Exercise more. Take walks. Take stairs instead of elevators.

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tnx Ferret, yes, I know...