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I'm not trying to sell anyone anything...I want folks to be careful. My company has been loosing $5,000 plus dollars a year because they didn't know anything about websites so they took a "good" offer from a "friend". I found this out today...let's just say the S hit the fan.
This isn't the first company I've worked for that has been getting fleeced. Please, please please consider the following if you want your own website.
What do you actually need?
Do you need a full blown website with forums, downloads, pages and pages of content or are you just looking for blog with minimal effort? Do you want to learn to design your own page or do you want to hire some one? What do your want your site to be capable of?
I just want a blog!
Great! It's free. Go to Blogger, Typepad, Wordpress, Livejournal or any of the many many other free websites. Sign up for an account and get typing. The site should have minimal invasion....usually something identifying it as an account one of these free sites such as a bar at the top or a badge on the side bar. You can choose a theme and even use widgets (both Blogger and Wordpress offer widgets)
I love my free site but I want a little more!
Lovely. Did you know a lot of blogging sites offer more features for a small feel...including your own domain name? This may incure extra fees offsite. You still get to use your free blogging account with more designs and extra features. This is the way to go for a lot of people.
I need my own web site and domain name.
Awesome. Here are some things you should know when shopping for a domain name and a webhost.
1. Friends don't let Friends GoDaddy - While GoDaddy appears cheap on the surfice that's really only for the Domain Name. Domain names (that www.whatyoucallit.com is a domain name) is not actually a website...it's a web address. If I had a dollar for every client who asked me to design a site and found out they had only paid for the domain name through GoDaddy and nothing else...I'd be richer than Midas. You see that ultra cheap 8.99 gets you a name and nothing else. When you see domain names cheaper than this you have pay for other services. That's the state of the web right now, December 5th 2008. After the 8.99 per year you have to pay a minimum 4.99 per month for a VERY basic web hosting package at GoDaddy. For what you get, you are geting hosed. Everything has to be done through ftp...they don't offer a control panel, and a lot of times you have to call them to see what you are actually paying for and how to get to it. I speak from experience, friends don't allow friends to Godaddy. If you need hold some domains...check your hosting company...they probabaly have a package that's compairable. If you need to hold some domains and don't need web hosting right now...Great, use godaddy...you can transfer them later.
2. Current webhosting rule of thumb - hosting and domain names should boil down to 10$ a month or LESS for AT LEAST the following:
Included domain name registration and renewal...IN YOUR NAME
At least 10gigs of space
A web control panel
At least 250gigs of bandwidth
At least 100 email address
At least 10 databases
Ftp access
php support
mysql support
Some form of SSL included at least one time.
CGI-Bin
File Manager
Web Stats
SSI
Spam Protection
Hotlink Protection
Various Scripts ready to install (such as wordpress, or a shopping cart)
Free backups
Free Tech Support
Subdomains
Domain Parking / Add ons
Friends if you are getting less, you may be getting screwed. There are many reasons you may be paying more (Green Powered Websites being one of them) but if you are not getting at least this...and really most sites such as blue host or 1 and 1 give you MUCH MUCH more.
K, I've got my hosting account and my domain name...but I want to pay a designer for a professional website/ or hirer a designer for my company to run our page in house.
That's a valid choice, in fact it's what I do for a day job. I'm not going to tell you want you should be paying a person, that varies...but there certain thing you should be getting for your money.
1. Require ITEMIZED invoices. I can't stress this enough. If you are paying some yahoo $90 an hour design you a website, make sure you get itemized invoices. Not just hours but what the hell the guy or gal did.
2. Require all passwords and logins to hosting, ftp, domain registrars, and web software be given to you. Really, you may love them dearly and want their children but they won't be your designer forever and you do want to be up S creek without a paddle.
3. Be clear. Do you want them to design and maintain your website, do you want just design with the abiliity maintain it yourself later?
4. Get a list of ACTIVE and INACTIVE sites they have done in the past. Pay attention to the design of the inactive sites and how the active ones actually work. Don't be afraid to contact companies of active sites and make sure they A) still use that person and b) they still like that person.
5. Regardless of what you want your site to look like and what colors you want you're web person should be able to provide the following: A standards compliant website with Cascading Style Sheets with ability for me to provide dymanic content. Got that? Memorize that sentence. Now, go tell it to your web designer. Do they look at you cross eyed or try to talk you out of it. RUN AWAY. You can do this all by yourself with a free download of wordpress and their 1 click installation. If they can't they are cheeting you. They HAVE to beable to provide more thant this.
I have a website and a designer...how do I know if I'm getting fleeced?
1. Are you paying more than $10 a month for JUST web hosting and your domain name? And if you are...are you sure you're web host is providing the MORE than the list above AND has the domain name in your name? If not you are probably getting fleeced.
2. For those that use a designer: Open your browser and go to your web site. Go to View and Page Source. Is your ENTIRE website littered with things that say Table, TR, and TD? Is there anything near the top that says some thing along the lines of .css? Do you have all the passwords and log in information to your website? Can you go in and change text by yourself? What about blog? WHY THE HELL NOT? Are you being charged for mistakes of the designer? Are you paying for flash, various web services such as ecommerce and don't know what your are using? IF any of this is true...you're probably getting fleeced.
Who are you and why are telling us this?
I'm a web designer and I've been doing it since 1995 for everything from schools, to non-profits to large companies. EVERY single company I've worked for and places I've volunteered for have been cheated in some way. The first mistake they make is not knowing who is in charge of their website. The answer should always be the company or person who commisioned the website in the first place. But it rarely is.
Finally one last piece of advice. Make aboslutly sure that you don't pay any random company that sends you a bill with the words web site on it. You can loose your website this way and pay for the privilage. You shouldn't have to pay for an RSS feed. Web Hosts will send a bill that say the name of your web host. My own sister nearly lost her website this way. The last company I worked for payed a random bill that came in and LOST their domain name. The company I worked for now payed a random web bill that came in with out asking me....they paid $300 for the privilage to look at a web site. The website in question is available to the public for free.
I hope this helps you. I really do. The web isn't that scary. I promise.
This isn't the first company I've worked for that has been getting fleeced. Please, please please consider the following if you want your own website.
What do you actually need?
Do you need a full blown website with forums, downloads, pages and pages of content or are you just looking for blog with minimal effort? Do you want to learn to design your own page or do you want to hire some one? What do your want your site to be capable of?
I just want a blog!
Great! It's free. Go to Blogger, Typepad, Wordpress, Livejournal or any of the many many other free websites. Sign up for an account and get typing. The site should have minimal invasion....usually something identifying it as an account one of these free sites such as a bar at the top or a badge on the side bar. You can choose a theme and even use widgets (both Blogger and Wordpress offer widgets)
I love my free site but I want a little more!
Lovely. Did you know a lot of blogging sites offer more features for a small feel...including your own domain name? This may incure extra fees offsite. You still get to use your free blogging account with more designs and extra features. This is the way to go for a lot of people.
I need my own web site and domain name.
Awesome. Here are some things you should know when shopping for a domain name and a webhost.
1. Friends don't let Friends GoDaddy - While GoDaddy appears cheap on the surfice that's really only for the Domain Name. Domain names (that www.whatyoucallit.com is a domain name) is not actually a website...it's a web address. If I had a dollar for every client who asked me to design a site and found out they had only paid for the domain name through GoDaddy and nothing else...I'd be richer than Midas. You see that ultra cheap 8.99 gets you a name and nothing else. When you see domain names cheaper than this you have pay for other services. That's the state of the web right now, December 5th 2008. After the 8.99 per year you have to pay a minimum 4.99 per month for a VERY basic web hosting package at GoDaddy. For what you get, you are geting hosed. Everything has to be done through ftp...they don't offer a control panel, and a lot of times you have to call them to see what you are actually paying for and how to get to it. I speak from experience, friends don't allow friends to Godaddy. If you need hold some domains...check your hosting company...they probabaly have a package that's compairable. If you need to hold some domains and don't need web hosting right now...Great, use godaddy...you can transfer them later.
2. Current webhosting rule of thumb - hosting and domain names should boil down to 10$ a month or LESS for AT LEAST the following:
Included domain name registration and renewal...IN YOUR NAME
At least 10gigs of space
A web control panel
At least 250gigs of bandwidth
At least 100 email address
At least 10 databases
Ftp access
php support
mysql support
Some form of SSL included at least one time.
CGI-Bin
File Manager
Web Stats
SSI
Spam Protection
Hotlink Protection
Various Scripts ready to install (such as wordpress, or a shopping cart)
Free backups
Free Tech Support
Subdomains
Domain Parking / Add ons
Friends if you are getting less, you may be getting screwed. There are many reasons you may be paying more (Green Powered Websites being one of them) but if you are not getting at least this...and really most sites such as blue host or 1 and 1 give you MUCH MUCH more.
K, I've got my hosting account and my domain name...but I want to pay a designer for a professional website/ or hirer a designer for my company to run our page in house.
That's a valid choice, in fact it's what I do for a day job. I'm not going to tell you want you should be paying a person, that varies...but there certain thing you should be getting for your money.
1. Require ITEMIZED invoices. I can't stress this enough. If you are paying some yahoo $90 an hour design you a website, make sure you get itemized invoices. Not just hours but what the hell the guy or gal did.
2. Require all passwords and logins to hosting, ftp, domain registrars, and web software be given to you. Really, you may love them dearly and want their children but they won't be your designer forever and you do want to be up S creek without a paddle.
3. Be clear. Do you want them to design and maintain your website, do you want just design with the abiliity maintain it yourself later?
4. Get a list of ACTIVE and INACTIVE sites they have done in the past. Pay attention to the design of the inactive sites and how the active ones actually work. Don't be afraid to contact companies of active sites and make sure they A) still use that person and b) they still like that person.
5. Regardless of what you want your site to look like and what colors you want you're web person should be able to provide the following: A standards compliant website with Cascading Style Sheets with ability for me to provide dymanic content. Got that? Memorize that sentence. Now, go tell it to your web designer. Do they look at you cross eyed or try to talk you out of it. RUN AWAY. You can do this all by yourself with a free download of wordpress and their 1 click installation. If they can't they are cheeting you. They HAVE to beable to provide more thant this.
I have a website and a designer...how do I know if I'm getting fleeced?
1. Are you paying more than $10 a month for JUST web hosting and your domain name? And if you are...are you sure you're web host is providing the MORE than the list above AND has the domain name in your name? If not you are probably getting fleeced.
2. For those that use a designer: Open your browser and go to your web site. Go to View and Page Source. Is your ENTIRE website littered with things that say Table, TR, and TD? Is there anything near the top that says some thing along the lines of .css? Do you have all the passwords and log in information to your website? Can you go in and change text by yourself? What about blog? WHY THE HELL NOT? Are you being charged for mistakes of the designer? Are you paying for flash, various web services such as ecommerce and don't know what your are using? IF any of this is true...you're probably getting fleeced.
Who are you and why are telling us this?
I'm a web designer and I've been doing it since 1995 for everything from schools, to non-profits to large companies. EVERY single company I've worked for and places I've volunteered for have been cheated in some way. The first mistake they make is not knowing who is in charge of their website. The answer should always be the company or person who commisioned the website in the first place. But it rarely is.
Finally one last piece of advice. Make aboslutly sure that you don't pay any random company that sends you a bill with the words web site on it. You can loose your website this way and pay for the privilage. You shouldn't have to pay for an RSS feed. Web Hosts will send a bill that say the name of your web host. My own sister nearly lost her website this way. The last company I worked for payed a random bill that came in and LOST their domain name. The company I worked for now payed a random web bill that came in with out asking me....they paid $300 for the privilage to look at a web site. The website in question is available to the public for free.
I hope this helps you. I really do. The web isn't that scary. I promise.