If YOU were writing a book about Russia...

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Hi guys,

I'm not sure this post really belongs here, but I couldn't find a more appropriate forum for it, so if our moderators want to move it somewhere else, that's fine.

The thing is, I've got to start working on a non-fiction book containing advice to aspiring writers who want to set their story in Russia or the Soviet Union. (I'm Russian, and the book's been commissioned by a publisher who does a series of writing-advice books.)

As you can imagine, I've amassed tons of material already, but I'd greatly appreciate your opinion. If one day you wanted to write a novel set in Russia, what kind of information would you like to see in a writing-reference book like mine? What details of Russian culture and lifestyle, in your opinion, I should cover?

Maybe you've already written, or are writing now, a story set in Russia -- what research information have you found difficult to obtain? Most importantly, maybe you've discovered that some Russian realities differ from popular cliches about Russia -- what are they?

Or maybe you know Russia well and have come across some glaring mistakes in published books -- what were they (no names or titles needed), and how can other writers avoid them?

Thank you very much for your time!

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How about writing a good Slavic accent in English?

A friend of mine, a Russian language major, did a paper for our linguistics class about how good or bad particular (non-Russian) actors portrayals of Russian accents were in Hollywood movies. Most were obscenely bad. I think the best he found was Gary Oldman from Air Force One and the worst was Sean Connery from The Hunt for Red October.

One of my characters is Ukrainian/Georgian, and he has a very strong Slavic accent. If it weren't for my Polish girlfriend, I'd be pretty lost on getting it exactly right. Fortunately, she's been extremely helpful in getting my character's dialogue to sound right, but I doubt others are so lucky.
 

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Fabulous advice, kuwisdelu, thanks a lot! I'm a linguist myself, so I know what you mean. I'll absolutely have to include that.

Who's next, guys? What would you like to see in a reference book about Russia?
 

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I'd be looking for cultural motivations for doing things. How would a character react or act in different situations that might be different than Americans or Canadians or even Brits.

How would people act in day-to-day situations. What is the attitude when greeting people, socializing, shopping, etc.

What is considered special and what is considered ordinary.
 

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What? Say it ain't so! Russian sub commanders don't have Scottish accents? Well, it's mandatory if you plan to boldly go where no man one has gone before.
 

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This is wonderful, Stephanie, thank you so much! I'll have to give it a good think.

Chase, :ROFL:

Who's next, guys?
 

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Hmm. Interesting thread, particularly since my current WIP is set partially in St. Petersburg in 1788. So I guess I'd have to say, judging from the information I can't find, anything about St. Petersburg in 1788.

*sigh*

Since the Russian aristocracy was so obsessed with Western culture and standards, the most difficult thing to discover is how they bridged the gap between a Francophiliac court and the Russian side of life outside of the Court. Keeping in mind that my research is still ongoing, this is what I'm having trouble locating:

1) good historical data about how Russian nobility before the Decembrists balanced their Russian culture with European fashions, etiquette and so forth.

2) the impact of Catherine II's age of enlightenment upon the nobility

3) the role of women within the aristocracy--and not just historical figures like Princess Dashkova.

I would think that there has to be some kind of balance between the realities of life in Russia and the Potemkin village-like devotion of the aristocracy to Western culture and ideals. unfortunately, I'm not finding much evidence of that at the moment.
 

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One thing I'd like to see is a comparison of daily life in Russia today with a generation ago, and maybe another generation or two before that. Often the information we get about other cultures doesn't have a good date context.
 

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What changes have been made to industry since the USSR went belly up? I read "The Russians" by Hedrick Smith. Fascinating.

For new writers to gain information, has information been easier to obtain since the USSR went away? Is the new Russia more forthcoming with information, be it government or industry, and how does one find/contact those agencies for information?

Good luck with your research and your project.
 

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I'd quite like a guide to the twenty most popular male and female Russian names within each decade or five-year period. I've only done cursory research on names for my current WIP, so I'm not sure if there is such a resource already out there, but that would be very handy for giving my characters names that feel plausible for the time they were born.
 

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Like Stephanie, I'm interested in daily life.
I'd take folks from a few different economic classes, follow them through an average work day, and consider how that day differed from the same in the West. That would at least give a starting point.
 

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From what I understand, Russians like to talk about politics a lot. It might be helpful to get a more in depth background of Russian political history, especially events and people that would be household words/names.
 

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Read the Russian classical and contemporary authors.

Study the history of the Greek and/or Russian Orthodox church.

Get some coffee-table type books from the library that show the masterpieces of Russian art and architecture. This will help give you a feel for the Russian culture.

Take an online tour of The Hermitage:
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html

Russian Culture at The Hermitage:
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/03/hm3_6.html

Or immerse yourself in the lives of Nicholas and Alexandra:
http://www.nicholasandalexandra.com/
 
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Not a lot of folks know or remember that Russia 'fought' in our civil war. There is not much out there about this time in history. For someone doing a time period book with that info in it might be of extra insight.
 

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Hmm. Interesting thread, particularly since my current WIP is set partially in St. Petersburg in 1788. So I guess I'd have to say, judging from the information I can't find, anything about St. Petersburg in 1788.

*sigh*

Since the Russian aristocracy was so obsessed with Western culture and standards, the most difficult thing to discover is how they bridged the gap between a Francophiliac court and the Russian side of life outside of the Court. Keeping in mind that my research is still ongoing, this is what I'm having trouble locating:

1) good historical data about how Russian nobility before the Decembrists balanced their Russian culture with European fashions, etiquette and so forth.

2) the impact of Catherine II's age of enlightenment upon the nobility

3) the role of women within the aristocracy--and not just historical figures like Princess Dashkova.

I would think that there has to be some kind of balance between the realities of life in Russia and the Potemkin village-like devotion of the aristocracy to Western culture and ideals. unfortunately, I'm not finding much evidence of that at the moment.

Wow, now that was a coincidence. I'll try to briefly answer your questions the best I can and see if I can come up with some research links. This seems to me an interesting and accurate book:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0253208424/?tag=absolutewritedm-20

(You can read it for free on Google Books, but the link is so huge it doesn't fit here)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0754605051/?tag=absolutewritedm-20

(Also available for free at Google Books)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0156701502/?tag=absolutewritedm-20

(this one can also be read for free at Google Books)

1. Basically, they had nothing to balance. The Russian culture was considered "low" and "vulgar" and the Russian nobility strived to be as sophisticated as their European peers. The Russian nobility led a life of their own that didn't have (or at least strove not to have) anything in common with the Russian traditional culture of the time. The gap between the cultures of the lower classes and the nobility only deepened ever since Peter the Great and was, in fact, one of the reasons for the 1917 revolution. It resulted in a society where higher classes led a European lifestyle while the low and especially peasant classes led a life comparable only to that of the poorest African countries of today. In 1743, Elizabeth officially forbade the use of Russian national costumes at masquerades as "offending". In Eugene Onegin (just pre-Decembrists), Pushkin mentions that his noble-born heroine Tatiana wrote her love letter to Eugene in French because she didn't know enough Russian (naturally, because it was considered the language of lowborn people). If you remember the bit from The War and Peace when Natasha dances a Russian dance in the hunters' lodge, the whole conflict of the scene is in the fact that she'd had nowhere to learn it from, she'd never seen a Russian dance before, and everybody present are stunned by the fact. They didn't have to bridge the gap because they didn't need to: they were on their own in their little pseudo European world, and low classes with their Russian culture, on their own too. Of course, the nobility were sort of familiar with the Russian culture through their nannies, servants, through their lowborn childhood playmates, but they definitely didn't live it.

Itv wasn't even European vs. Russian, as it was noble vs. low. Just days after the French revolution, the new French fashions were officially banned at the Russian court as "low". Part of Pushkin's phenomenon was in the fact that he finally familiarized Russian literate classes with the Russian folk culture.

You can compare it to the mentality of the American South: would plantation owners be interested in their slaves' culture? The same was true about the majority of Russian nobility.

2. I've done some research on the reign of Catherine in the past, so I can probably answer this one. The impact of her era upon the nobility was overall not very good. The most amazing thing about Catherina was that she, ethnic German to the bone, re-trained herself to become one of the most Russian rulers ever. She worked hard to study the language, culture and history, and became a passionate Christian Orthodox. But the court in her time led a highly indulged, spoiled existence, she forgave too many offences and despite all her projects and best intentions (and she was a lovely character overall), the country during her rule lacked discipline. Bribes ruled big time, at all levels, and she just laughed. That's why the country suffered such a terrible overhaul during Paul's rule who had to control an inert mass of uncontrollable nobility who saw the meaning of their lives in pleasure and self-indulgence, not in improving their country.

3. Women were overall more connected to the ethnic Russian culture--through their nannies, maids, wet nurses, etc, as well as instinctively. But don't forget that the Russian society was very organized, not to say militarized, by the ranks system, it was a man's world, the world of clerks and officers, and women had no place in it. They were always clever in their influence, but there was a zero chance of them excelling at anything out of their domain. Profoundly religious, good mothers and wise wives--that was all there was to it. They guided, not ruled. But being wise and clever, they surely had lots of influence.

I'm afraid my answers are shallow and superficial (which is the same) but hopefully they give some idea, and the sources can help you in your research.

Good luck!
 
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Wow, what a wealth of wonderful advice!

Thank you so, so very much, guys. A lot of the things you mention never occured to me before. Now I need to go and have a good think. You're really good friends! :Hug2:

Any more ideas?
 

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Don't forget to discuss history; a lot of Russian lit seems to be influenced by history, as do the Russian people. Stalin has left a definite stamp on the people.

Also, the bar and bath scene. It may sound trivial, but it may be interesting to see that covered as well....

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Very nice, Fresie. Thanks.

Most of what I've found have been in classic Russian literature and biographies so hence the dearth of information on the questions I specifically asked. The source material will come in handy. Appreciate it!
 

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Cultural norms. For example, in the US, if you're at someone's house and you accidentally break something of theirs, the norm is to apologize profusely and insist on buying them a new one; the point is to convey that their friendship is so important to you that you don't want to harm or inconvenience them at all. But in France, in the same situation, the norm is for you--the person who broke the thing--to make a joke blaming it on your host ("why would you put something so fragile there!"), and for the host to insist that it's no problem, it wasn't worth much anyway. The point is for you to convey that you know your friendship is much more important than material things, and for the host to convey that your friendship is so important that minor inconveniences like that don't matter.

That's just one of millions of examples--little cultural details like that. Other examples could come from, say, courtship/dating--what are the norms? Or, say, movies and concerts--how do people behave at such places? Do they dress up when they go there? Is there food for sale, or alcoholic beverages, or...?

Just little details like that.
 

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Wow, ideagirl, this is absolutely fabulous! Thank you so much, I'll absolutely have to include all your suggestions.

mscelina, you're very welcome. Please write if you need more help.
 
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I'd be looking for cultural motivations for doing things. How would a character react or act in different situations that might be different than Americans or Canadians or even Brits.

How would people act in day-to-day situations. What is the attitude when greeting people, socializing, shopping, etc.

What is considered special and what is considered ordinary.

1) I want to second the suggestion above. Each culture has an impact on individual character, that can be hard for an outsider to recognize. Example: For Americans, optimism forms our perceptions in many ways.

2) What does the average Russian expect of his or her life? Does it differ by class?

3) Details that you will only know from being there, not from reading guidebooks or maps. For example, I am currently reading a novel set in Russia and the author asserts that in the winter, Gypsies and the homeless (His phrase! Don't throw things at me!) ride the Metro day and night, to stay out of the weather and beg from passengers. No matter how hard I studied maps of the subway system and guidebooks, I would never know that. (Is it true?)

4) From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I would suggest that you read one of the other books in the series, perhaps one on Italy or France. Look at the kind of material that they include, and then adapt it for Russia.

If the mods permit, you might also want to post this in the novel writing section, since novelists are probably your targeted market.
 
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The political structure and government. The ethnic groups. Give a sense that Russia isn't just St Petersburg. So, people like the Yakutia. And who immigrates to Russia? the Chinese? what about the people who moved there because it was the Socialist place to be. What do they do now? and who is leaving Russia? Is the health system crumbling? or rebuilding with different emphases to the West? What degree of freedom do ordinary Russians feel to express their own opinions on government, etc? Does doing business in Russia involve bribes, criminal or semi-criminal contacts? I guess I'm thinking that when you write a novel you're looking for conflict to advance the story, so the tensions in Russian life could be used as part of that.
 

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Joni, Jenny, thanks a lot!

Joni, great suggestions, thank you so much. I'm taking them on board. As for the metro, the Gypsies don't ride it nor do they live there (they have much better places to live) -- they work there. Riding the trains is their job. When you see a miserable-looking Gypsy with a baby wrapped in rags -- it's her job, and the baby is either hired from a homeless mother (they pump those babies up with alcohol and sleeping pills so they don't cry) or it may not even be a baby at all. Believe you me, they're financially better off than most Russians with stable jobs and pensions. :) The homeless people are a different thing, they're truly miserable and the famous song Another Day In Paradise says it all. Like everywhere else in the world, every homeless person in Russia has their own tragic story to tell.

Jenny, I've copied it all. Great questions, thanks a lot. You're absolutely right: conflict is the key word. That's something I din't think about.

Thank you very, very much!