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TsukiRyoko
09-18-2008, 06:16 PM
Warning- slightly disturbing, unless you like the idea:

Restaurant uses human breast milk in meals

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2976181/Swiss-restaurant-to-serve-meals-cooked-with-human-breast-milk.html

cray
09-18-2008, 06:19 PM
mommy

Bmwhtly
09-18-2008, 06:21 PM
Quite apart from how nauseating that idea is to me personally, I see another issue.

Suppose one of these donors saves up all her payments and decides to treat the family to a nice meal.
She could end up eating her own milk!
That squicks me out.

Furthermore, I predict those dishes will be ordered by slightly-wierd people.

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 06:26 PM
I have never had it. What's it comparable to?

Ageless Stranger
09-18-2008, 06:27 PM
Quite apart from how nauseating that idea is to me personally, I see another issue.

Suppose one of these donors saves up all her payments and decides to treat the family to a nice meal.
She could end up eating her own milk!
That squicks me out.

Furthermore, I predict those dishes will be ordered by slightly-wierd people.


You called?

Stew21
09-18-2008, 06:28 PM
It squicks me out too, Ben. not just her and her own milk, but it just doesn't seem right for anyone other than her baby to have that milk.

I have never had it. What's it comparable to?
tastes like chicken.


Trish, doesn't really know what it tastes like.

TsukiRyoko
09-18-2008, 06:29 PM
Furthermore, I predict those dishes will be ordered by slightly-wierd people.
It's not so bad, I'm chowing down on some right now. :)

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 06:29 PM
I figured some smarty would say "chicken" as soon as I hit submit.

Bmwhtly
09-18-2008, 06:29 PM
You called?
Wierder than that.

I was thinking of the 'wears a dirty mac and isn't allowed within 100 yards of a school' kind of wierd.

TrainofThought
09-18-2008, 06:29 PM
I have never had it. What's it comparable to?A few men told me it tastes like Busch with a heavy after taste.

Bmwhtly
09-18-2008, 06:30 PM
I figured some smarty would say "chicken" as soon as I hit submit.Chicken Milk, perhaps :)

TsukiRyoko
09-18-2008, 06:31 PM
Chicken Milk, perhaps :)
I think it would taste like pig's milk, just because I watched a documentary about cannibals, and each cannibal swore that human tastes exactly like pork. Why would the milk be different?


...I need a pig and a new mother....

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 08:21 PM
Pig's milk? Is that even a product? I have never heard of pig's milk. Cow's milk. Check. Goat's milk. Check. Yak's Milk? Check. Soy Milk? Check. Rice Milk? Check. Camel's Milk? Check.

Hmm. No Pig's milk.

maestrowork
09-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Now I'm thirsty.

Got milk?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yxPsUEypGN9yNM:http://www.dakotausa.com/gallery/images/8532/large/1_got_milk.jpg

kct webber
09-18-2008, 10:04 PM
That kinda makes me want to gag.

ETA: not the above pic of boobies. The milk thing.

benbradley
09-18-2008, 10:58 PM
It squicks me out too, Ben. not just her and her own milk, but it just doesn't seem right for anyone other than her baby to have that milk.
I haven't heard that about cow's milk, and probably everyone reading this (certainly a majority) has at some time drunk cow's milk. And wouldn't human milk be better for a human to drink anyway?

I haven't had milk in years, but just the other day I ate some cheese.

Maryn
09-18-2008, 11:04 PM
Okay, okay, voice of reason here.

Think about your childhood's quick breakfast. Think unsweetened cereal. Think about pouring on regular milk, the good stuff, not the low- or no-fat stuff you drink now. Think about adding sugar with a generous hand.

Now think about the cereal being gone. You know how the milk in the bottom of the bowl tastes, really sweet and somewhat rich? That's exactly what breast milk tastes like. Nothing gross about it. It's really quite delicious.

Maryn, amazed at the moms and dads in this thread who never tasted it

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 11:08 PM
My wife didn't breast feed and neither did my own mom.

auntybug
09-18-2008, 11:10 PM
I nursed my daughter for almost 2 years. Hubby had to *cough*help*cough* sometimes when yanno... the utters overfloweth ;) He wanted cookies w/ it :)


eta: not that cookie

quickWit
09-18-2008, 11:12 PM
*runs into thread with pants on head*

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO

kct webber
09-18-2008, 11:13 PM
Okay, okay, voice of reason here.

Think about your childhood's quick breakfast. Think unsweetened cereal. Think about pouring on regular milk, the good stuff, not the low- or no-fat stuff you drink now. Think about adding sugar with a generous hand.

Now think about the cereal being gone. You know how the milk in the bottom of the bowl tastes, really sweet and somewhat rich? That's exactly what breast milk tastes like. Nothing gross about it. It's really quite delicious.

Maryn, amazed at the moms and dads in this thread who never tasted it

There is just something nasty about human juice. I can't help it.

TrainofThought
09-18-2008, 11:13 PM
I nursed my daughter for almost 2 years. Hubby had to *cough*help*cough* sometimes when yanno... the utters overfloweth ;) He wanted cookies w/ it :)*throws up in mouth*

TMI, people.

Dear Mod,

Can I put an entire thread on ignore?

Thanks,
ToT


There is just something nasty about human juice. Now I think you're taking this a little too far. ;)

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 11:18 PM
There is just something nasty about human juice.
Well, when you define it like that. Ick.

Stew21
09-18-2008, 11:18 PM
I haven't heard that about cow's milk, and probably everyone reading this (certainly a majority) has at some time drunk cow's milk. And wouldn't human milk be better for a human to drink anyway?

I haven't had milk in years, but just the other day I ate some cheese.

I imagine there is a great deal of discussion regarding this very thing somewhere. I know it's good for babies, but I still don't want to drink it.


(and yes, I breastfed, but Mr. Stew and I never tasted it.)

Keeping it in one's own family seems way more Okay than ordering it at a restaurant.

auntybug
09-18-2008, 11:23 PM
*throws up in mouth*



Sorry - I should add a TMI alert...

Spouse is one thing - strangers another... I'm w/ Tsuki and a few others actually...eww to the OP.

Kinda reminds me of a comedian I saw once on why women breastfeed & not men. The babies would starve cause men would be shooting each other across the room :roll:

Stew21
09-18-2008, 11:26 PM
yes, Bug - spouse and children is one thing...restaurant is another.

And women who breastfeed typically take particularly good care in diet to be sure it is nutrient-rich for the younguns. Do you suppose they take as much care when pumping it out for general consumption?


after dinner: "I'm not feeling well; the milk donor must have eaten hot peppers for dinner last night."

Shadow_Ferret
09-18-2008, 11:29 PM
OK. That's it. I'm out of this thread. Yuck.

auntybug
09-18-2008, 11:31 PM
yes, Bug - spouse and children is one thing...restaurant is another.


I'm still getting over being sober for 3 years straight ;)

TrainofThought
09-18-2008, 11:32 PM
OK. That's it. I'm out of this thread. Yuck.I'm with you. Never understood why women and men feel the need to discuss breast feeding with strangers.

*walks off and reps Ferret with a dirty rep*

SouthernFriedJulie
09-18-2008, 11:38 PM
I used to have an issue with it before I nursed my first child. Now I wouldn't have it any other way.

My husband got a dose, said it was sweet and rich. My kids grew fast, my lasat child was born pretty small but doubled his weight in 2 months. His nurse asked if I had always fed football players. (hey, no comments, k?)

As for the shooting across the room. Um, I'll admit it, I've done it. Just to get back at hubby.

And guys will put their mouths all over..............................nevermind, I am so not going there, I don't want to get the banhammer on my head for being overtly perverse. (Call me if you want overtly perverse- 555-Perv)

wordmonkey
09-19-2008, 01:03 AM
Hey, this could be really cool. Get the donor to eat a lot of garlic ahead of time then it comes out pre-garlicky. Mix a little cream and other seasonings and you have a great alfredo sauce that gives you glossy hair and stronger fingernails!

Bonus!

Devil Ledbetter
09-19-2008, 01:26 AM
Okay, okay, voice of reason here.

Think about your childhood's quick breakfast. Think unsweetened cereal. Think about pouring on regular milk, the good stuff, not the low- or no-fat stuff you drink now. Think about adding sugar with a generous hand.

Now think about the cereal being gone. You know how the milk in the bottom of the bowl tastes, really sweet and somewhat rich? That's exactly what breast milk tastes like. Nothing gross about it. It's really quite delicious.

Maryn, amazed at the moms and dads in this thread who never tasted it
What amazes me is that no one is "squicked out" by the idea of drinking cow's milk. Ever checked out a cows udder, with cow shit running down it? Why is it considered wholesome while human milk is declared disgusting?

I don't really drink milk, and I think breastmilk is for babies and toddlers (and maybe people dying of stomach cancer - it's pretty much credited with adding about 3 years to my neighbor's life - he was at death's door because he could keep NOTHING down ... until his wife, a former LLL leader, convinced the local LLL group moms to donate milk for him. He kept that down, and the high bioavailability of nutrients in the breastmilk got him through that crisis and allowed him to live longer. It didn't cure his cancer, though and he died eventually.)

Devil Ledbetter
09-19-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm with you. Never understood why women and men feel the need to discuss breast feeding with strangers.

*walks off and reps Ferret with a dirty rep*I don't discuss bottlefeeding with strangers, because I think it's gross.

TerzaRima
09-19-2008, 02:59 AM
I would think the local Department of Health would be all over this restaurant. I know there's limited shedding of a lot of infections into breast milk, but even so it is a bodily fluid. The donor milk used at our hospital is heat treated before it is given to other babies, and the parents have to sign a consent form.

Plus to all the marital lactation sex play: Uhhh, that's nice I'm glad all you crazy kids are so in touch with your sexuality PLEASE STOP NOW. /prude

Silver King
09-19-2008, 04:21 AM
...You know how the milk in the bottom of the bowl tastes, really sweet and somewhat rich? That's exactly what breast milk tastes like. Nothing gross about it. It's really quite delicious.

Maryn, amazed at the moms and dads in this thread who never tasted it
That's an excellent description, and from my experience, precisely what breast milk tastes like. It goes very well mixed with coffee, also. :)

Devil made a good point upthread I hadn't thought of before: Why would anyone be turned off by consuming human milk and think nothing of drinking animal milk?

For those who have a problem with it, I'll raise the "ick" factor a bar or two by admitting I've drank my daughter's milk, from the bottle, right in front of her and her husband after he claimed breast milk "was gross."

After a few sips, I said, "Tastes pretty damn good to me."

My son-in-law was so shocked that I thought he'd never recover.

My daughter wasn't surprised in the least and said, "Dad, you're crazy."

For a while we had a running gag going when my granddaughter came to visit, and I was told, "There's a bottle for her when she gets hungry, and in case you need a snack, we brought extra."

TsukiRyoko
09-19-2008, 09:56 PM
Ever head of Roman Charity? There are many art depictions of breastfeeding mothers feeding Roman prisoners through the bars of their cell, since the government didn't take the responsibility upon themselves to feed them. If a family didn't have enough food to feed the prisoners, someone was shoving their boo-... nevermind.

:D

On another note, I have a feeling that msot people would be more willing to drink their own pee in a survival situation than someone else's breastmilk. I'd go for the latter. Or mix the two! Throw some fresh whipped cow's blood in there and some mountain oysters and you have yourself a backwoods feast. :roll:

TsukiRyoko
09-19-2008, 10:01 PM
What amazes me is that no one is "squicked out" by the idea of drinking cow's milk. Ever checked out a cows udder, with cow shit running down it? Why is it considered wholesome while human milk is declared disgusting?

I don't really drink milk, and I think breastmilk is for babies and toddlers (and maybe people dying of stomach cancer - it's pretty much credited with adding about 3 years to my neighbor's life - he was at death's door because he could keep NOTHING down ... until his wife, a former LLL leader, convinced the local LLL group moms to donate milk for him. He kept that down, and the high bioavailability of nutrients in the breastmilk got him through that crisis and allowed him to live longer. It didn't cure his cancer, though and he died eventually.)
Breastmilk has bad connotations attached to it because animals have always been seen as a food source. Sucking something out of a cow and sucking something out of a human are seen as two different things, even if they're both pretty similar. Human milk, I imagine, would be better for you, but I think it gives subconscious images of cannibalism and may even possibly be seen as a sexual thing.

America is one of the few countries that see breasts as a sexual thing. There's certain parts of the world that would laugh if you even suggested the idea. I'm pretty sure many of those same parts of the world probably also use human milk in their food, because they recognize the source of nutrients.

Ain't science fun, kiddos?

writerterri
09-20-2008, 12:13 AM
Now I'm thirsty.

Got milk?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yxPsUEypGN9yNM:http://www.dakotausa.com/gallery/images/8532/large/1_got_milk.jpg


I thought I told you to NEVER post that picture of me!

TsukiRyoko
09-20-2008, 01:30 AM
I thought I told you to NEVER post that picture of me!
I'm jealous :(

SouthernFriedJulie
09-20-2008, 01:30 AM
sucking something out of a human

That was too good to /not/ isolate.

These same people have no problem with certain other activities that can be labeled with that line.

Get your minds out of the gutter. I'm talking snakebite.

TsukiRyoko
09-20-2008, 01:31 AM
I'm talking snakebite.
I got a snake that'll bite ya ;)

TsukiRyoko
09-20-2008, 01:33 AM
Speaking of biting snakes... don't scare the puss away.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-kittens-see-snake.jpg

SouthernFriedJulie
09-20-2008, 01:52 AM
I got a snake that'll bite ya ;)


Nuh uh. I stay away from snakes now. I got bit around six months ago and the Doc says the swelling isn't going away until December.

TsukiRyoko
09-20-2008, 01:53 AM
Nuh uh. I stay away from snakes now. I got bit around six months ago and the Doc says the swelling isn't going away until December.
Oh, that's a sign you might be laying an egg. It doesn't look like a usual egg though- it has hands, feet, and a unquenchable thirst for blood and souls. Luckily the thirst part doesn't kick in until the egg hatches and matures for about 13 years.

Good luck, and put some ointment on it.

joyce
09-20-2008, 02:31 AM
Ok, I hate milk anyway and I don't care what nipple it came out of. This thread is making me wash my mouth out with beer before I get sick. You guys are sick but that's why I love this place.:D

maxmordon
09-20-2008, 02:34 AM
Milk is milk, wheater comes from a cow, a goat, or some woman's breasts

maestrowork
09-20-2008, 02:37 AM
Milk is milk, wheater comes from a cow, a goat, or some woman's breasts

How about rat's milk. Or cat's? Or guinea pig's?

If a guy lactates, would you drink that milk?

Cassiopeia
09-20-2008, 02:42 AM
It's just wrong on so many levels, I can't begin to think of where to start explaining.

maxmordon
09-20-2008, 02:46 AM
How about rat's milk. Or cat's? Or guinea pig's?

If a guy lactates, would you drink that milk?

Obviously I wouldn't suck a rat or some guy's nipples. But as long it doesn't have health repercussions I don't see a trouble if someone wants to pay to taste some cat's milk or something similar

TerzaRima
09-20-2008, 03:06 AM
See, there's a same species prejudice here. The otherness of cow's milk is what makes the thought of drinking it less revolting (although still kind of revolting).

It's the same with poop, and in my line of work I am exposed to a fair amount of it. So which is less disgusting to clean up, a dog turd or a human turd? Which do you think?

maxmordon
09-20-2008, 03:11 AM
Turd is turd. Doesn't keep to be disgusting (though the smell can change)

TerzaRima
09-20-2008, 03:21 AM
Bzzz. Nope. A dog turd is far, far less disgusting because it did not come out of me or out of a fellow human being.

I can't believe I'm posting about this, much less thinking about it. Well, time to go enjoy my breastmilk-free weekend.

TsukiRyoko
09-20-2008, 04:23 AM
Well, time to go enjoy my breastmilk-free weekend.
Sucks to be you. I'm going to a new mother's party, where all the drinks are on (or from) her. See ya!

SouthernFriedJulie
09-20-2008, 05:30 AM
Bzzz. Nope. A dog turd is far, far less disgusting because it did not come out of me or out of a fellow human being.

I can't believe I'm posting about this, much less thinking about it. Well, time to go enjoy my breastmilk-free weekend.


I worked in nursing homes and have 4 kids. I've been literally elbow deep in poop. So, I get where you are coming from with one exception...

Breast milk was meant for humans (babies) to drink. Poop on the other hand wasn't. I haven't taken the time to taste a turd, though it's a sure bet that breast milk is going to have a better flavor. More nutritious, too.

Devil Ledbetter
09-20-2008, 05:36 AM
Bzzz. Nope. A dog turd is far, far less disgusting because it did not come out of me or out of a fellow human being.

I can't believe I'm posting about this, much less thinking about it. Well, time to go enjoy my breastmilk-free weekend.It's every kind of stupid to compare breastmilk to shit. Breastmilk is not bodily waste. It's the absolute purest form of infant nutrition.

Please, tell me you're about 13 before I lose all respect for you.

Haggis
09-20-2008, 05:46 AM
Humans are one of the few creatures that use the milk of other species. Yet, there's an "ick factor" when we're talking about human milk? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once PETA has their way with us and we stop imprisoning animals, just what else are you going to do for your ice cream, huh?

I just finished a short story that addresses that. You folks with the ick factor probably won't want to read it.

ErylRavenwell
09-20-2008, 07:25 AM
I wonder how breastmilk tastes like. It's been a long a time since I had some. I had this crazy woman for a neighbour, and she gave me some in a glass when I was four or five. :D

joyce
09-20-2008, 07:46 AM
I think my body even hated milk when I had my daughter. I produced enough milk to feed one rat. That was if it ate only once a week. Drinking milk in any form is a horrible thought. I'll use it for cooking but I won't let the white, thick, nasty stuff touch my lips.

benbradley
09-20-2008, 07:59 AM
I thought I told you to NEVER post that picture of me!
I'm still trying to get Ray to PM me the pic where you're spinning that shirt around over your head. I don't understand, since I freely forwarded him that porn-spam PM a year or two back...

SPMiller
09-20-2008, 09:16 AM
My first concern is the possibility of transmission of viruses through the breast milk.

Otherwise, the idea doesn't squick me out. I can't remember what breast milk tastes like, as I was rather young, but it makes objective sense to use human milk rather than milk from some random barnyard animal.

Woodsie
09-20-2008, 09:17 AM
I wonder how breastmilk tastes like.

It tastes like sugar water.

ErylRavenwell
09-20-2008, 10:04 AM
It tastes like sugar water.

Mmm...sugar water.

benbradley
09-20-2008, 05:24 PM
I think my body even hated milk when I had my daughter. I produced enough milk to feed one rat. That was if it ate only once a week. Drinking milk in any form is a horrible thought. I'll use it for cooking but I won't let the white, thick, nasty stuff touch my lips.
Now this reminds me of eggs (you know, the ones from chickens, used in everyday cooking in things like cakes, and well, scrambled eggs, hard-boiled eggs, deviled eggs,...), and that ...

SQUICK WARNING!










last chance!





in the effort to get 'pure protien' or some such, some bodybuilders eat/drink eggs raw.

benbradley
09-20-2008, 05:29 PM
Humans are one of the few creatures that use the milk of other species.
What other species does this? Cats, maybe, but ONLY because WE feed them cow milk.

Yet, there's an "ick factor" when we're talking about human milk? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once PETA has their way with us and we stop imprisoning animals, just what else are you going to do for your ice cream, huh?
And what in the world will PETA do? Perhaps take the unprecedented step of giving a darn about the plight of humans???

Old Hack
09-20-2008, 11:24 PM
OK: what follows this is almost on-topic, but not quite: I'm interested to see how you react to it--particularly those of you who didn't or couldn't breastfeed your babies.

Prepare for a barrage of breastfeeding facts and, I'll admit, a bit of a rant.

The World Health Organisation advises that every mother, no matter where she lives, should continue to breastfeed her baby until it is at least two years old.

If you take the available data on how long non-human primates suckle their babies, and then extrapolate that to fit humans, it indicates quite clearly that humans should only wean their babies from suckling when they are two at the earliest--and anything up to the age of seven is considered "normal".

Breastfed babies, on average, have an IQ ten points higher than bottle-fed babies.

Breastfed babies succumb to fewer infections than bottle-fed babies and there's a strong suggestion that they live longer, too.

Breastfed babies are far less prone to allergies, hayfever and exzema.

Very premature babies are far more likely to survive if they are fed human milk than if they are fed formula milk, whether it comes from their own mothers or from a milk-bank.

Breastfed babies are, on average, two inches taller than bottle-fed babies when they reach maturity.

Breastfed babies are (according to Dr Jaqueline Stordy) far less likely to suffer from dyslexia, dyspraxia or ADHD than bottle-fed babies.

I've not been able to find any reliable statistics at all that show that bottle-feeding is better for babies. There are plenty which say it's easier for the mother, though.

All of my boys were born prematurely, and only two survived. They've both got disabilities, which might or might not be a result of their prematurity, but which were definitely lessened, according to the consultants who looked after them in those first few miserable months, by my feeding them myself.

As for the ickiness of donating milk to a milk-bank for other babies to have: my eldest son had to have an operation when he was nine months old to help with one of his disabilities, and as he was still exclusively breastfed at that time, I had to do some serious pumping while he was not allowed to feed because of the risks involved with anaesthetics. We were at Great Ormond Street hospital, and I was asked if I'd consider donating my excess milk to their special care unit. I didn't see anything wrong with that, and for nearly 18 hours I couldn't feed Tom, so I pumped. I produced enough milk to feed eight special-care babies. Three of the mothers involved wrote to me later to thank me for saving their baby's lives: their children had all been in critical condition for hours, and their consultants all insisted that their survival was due to real food giving them that extra edge.

Now tell me that it's not worth trying to breastfeed your baby. Go on. Dare you.

joyce
09-20-2008, 11:30 PM
I know that breast feeding your baby is better than formula but I had no choice but to use the later. If my daughter had waited for me to produce milk, she'd still be waiting and would have starved.