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Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 05:50 AM
I swear by Zeus if I have to have ONE MORE freaking interview with a child who is barely out of college and asking me those patented Fortune 500 psychological questions guaranteed to figure out if I am right for their company I'm going to go ballistic.

Seriously, this girl was so high on something she could barely keep her eyes open. I wanted to reach across the table and shake her!

If I could scream in this rant I would! :Soapbox: Who ever decided that a college graduate has more value than someone with 30 years of successful business experience just because the 20 something year old has a piece of freaking paper that says they know how to study and regurgitate facts?

Oh man! I freaking give up! :rant:

Kim (yes, still job hunting)

Shadow_Ferret
09-12-2008, 05:54 AM
I hear ya. I've always wondered why, if all else is equal, the diploma is necessary. I mean in my case, if I have done the work successfully, have many years proficient experience with the programs used, why then do I also need some stupid BA in something that doesn't even have to be related to the job?

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 05:56 AM
I'm studying in school right now which many of you know. I'm a freaking International Honors student and I prize my education. That doesn't make me qualified to do a job though.

*goes back to banging her head on the desk*

Yah know, for the first time in months I want a freaking drink and I don't drink! *screams*

Shadow_Ferret
09-12-2008, 06:00 AM
I'll have a drink for ya.

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 06:01 AM
Make sure it's SoCoandCoke. :D

Shadow_Ferret
09-12-2008, 06:12 AM
:(

Sorry, no Southern Comfort in the house. It would have to be Jack Daniels or George Dickel. Or Eagle Rare bourbon.

Bayou Bill
09-12-2008, 06:12 AM
I hear ya. I've always wondered why, if all else is equal, the diploma is necessary. I mean in my case, if I have done the work successfully, have many years proficient experience with the programs used, why then do I also need some stupid BA in something that doesn't even have to be related to the job?
A high school diploma proves the holder can endure the unendurable.

A BS or BA degree says that person can learn stuff they hate.

Bayou Bill :cool:

Susie
09-12-2008, 06:14 AM
Please stop bangin' that purty head of yours, k. Bet you'll get the best job evah, Cassi!

Haggis
09-12-2008, 06:42 AM
HAGGIS' PRINCIPLE: When the interviewee's experience exceeds the age of the interviewer, the interviewee does not get the job. Starts about age 40 and gets worse from there.

Hang in there, Cassi. It will come. :Hug2:

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 08:06 AM
HAGGIS' PRINCIPLE: When the interviewee's experience exceeds the age of the interviewer, the interviewee does not get the job. Starts about age 40 and gets worse from there.

Hang in there, Cassi. It will come. :Hug2:The interviewee is supposed to be placing me with another company. She's a recruiter. I feel like I don't stand a snowball's chance in H E Double hockysticks.

writerterri
09-12-2008, 08:13 AM
The gall!


She did what?


I hate job hunting.

I'll have a beer for ya too.

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 08:18 AM
The gall!


She did what?


I hate job hunting.

I'll have a beer for ya too.Well, without boring everyone with the details she sat there like a college grad yuppy playing with her mother's pearl wrapped around her neck and in a navy blue dress that looked like it was meant to be pressed and cleaned but it wasn't. She could barely focus on me her eyes were so glassy and bloodshot and kept asking me what I thought the "perfect fit" could be for me. Asked me if I wanted to take temp jobs but reassured me that would just be "temporary" and that they do their best to place people. When asked if I would take 10 dollars an hour and my response was no, ( I can work at Kelly Services for 15) she told me that I must keep my looking on my own, use every service I could find that (different tone) they don't actually get that much in the way of HR managers. Which she had said on the phone they do.

So basically I drove all the way there and used up a quarter tank of gas just to see her fiddle with her pearls, battle to focus and recant the things she told me to get me in there.

I have a headache. Did I mention that? It's working its way into a migraine as I type.

writerterri
09-12-2008, 08:32 AM
I can't believe the youngins have the pull these days. What do we work all these years for anyways? My boss is older than me and that's the way I like it. My husband's boss was half his age and half his wisdom as well.

It stinks!

benbradley
09-12-2008, 09:15 AM
I swear by Zeus if I have to have ONE MORE freaking interview with a child who is barely out of college and asking me those patented Fortune 500 psychological questions guaranteed to figure out if I am right for their company I'm going to go ballistic.
You could always answer one question ahead. It would show that you have initiative. :)

Seriously, this girl was so high on something she could barely keep her eyes open. I wanted to reach across the table and shake her!

If I could scream in this rant I would! :Soapbox: Who ever decided that a college graduate has more value than someone with 30 years of successful business experience just because the 20 something year old has a piece of freaking paper that says they know how to study and regurgitate facts?

Oh man! I freaking give up! :rant:

Kim (yes, still job hunting)
And when you get to the point where you really know you don't want the job, you could ask Ms. Bloodshot Eyes something like "Do this company drug test employees, or just applicants?"

I haven't been on an interview in a long time. I'm almost afraid to. What will I do if they offer me a job???

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 12:08 PM
I think the thing that bothered me the most was her tipping her head back and talking to me with her half closed eyes and sometimes they were closed and when she opened them again she fluttered her eyelashes in a way I refer to as batting her eyes and spoke down her nose with a hoity toity tone.

Yeah that really got to me. OH and please, someone update the communications techniques out that and tell these young people that speaking my name over and over in an interview doesn't show anything other than they don't know what they are doing. it's annoying and condescending. *goes back to banging her head but this time on the headboard cos I can't freaking sleep I'm that annoyed.

sheadakota
09-12-2008, 01:57 PM
Oh Cass, I feel your pain. Hang in there hon. Where I work, you are qualified if you can flirt and have great boobs. *sigh* Yeah we have a male idiot of a manager who happens to be sleeping with the second in control. (And I work in a hospital! very, very, scary people!)

Unique
09-12-2008, 04:21 PM
Cass -

they work cheap and they're easy to fool.

That's why they're hired; that's why we're not.

Pagey's_Girl
09-12-2008, 04:38 PM
I started to say soemthing along the lines of "Hey, not all of us younger ones are like that," before I remembered "Holy fraking candles setting the smoke detector, Batgirl, you're forty..."

The admin in HR used to work at one of those staffing companies (one I used to be with and wasn't all that impressed with - all they ever did for me was put me in one of the most friggin' horrible jobs I ever had) and she said the turnover there is unbelieveable. Mostly they hire the recruiters just out of college and yes, they know zilch about how hiring really works. She stuck it out for a year in order to try to get some real experience before she went looking for a better job and ended up here.

JimmyB27
09-12-2008, 04:47 PM
Pfffft - When are you oldies going to face up to the fact that you're past it? Young graduates are the FUTURE, people! Three years of drinking and sleeping around studying hard at university is the perfect experience for any job.

Pagey's_Girl
09-12-2008, 05:12 PM
Pfffft - When are you oldies going to face up to the fact that you're past it? Young graduates are the FUTURE, people! Three years of drinking and sleeping around studying hard at university is the perfect experience for any job.

My first job out of college was doing quality control on a computer board manufacturing line. They started me out on a machine that checked capacitors and circuitry, which operated via a joystick. Nobody could believe how quickly I learned to run that thing, nor how many boards I could inspect in a day. I think my record was 130 on a really busy day...

All those quarters I sunk into that Ms Pac-Man game in the lounge really paid off. :D

Bmwhtly
09-12-2008, 05:21 PM
Quite right.
In fact I think young people should be locked in a basement and kept out of sight until they grow into middle-aged, experienced people.

AmusingMuse
09-12-2008, 05:23 PM
OMG, this is so true. The "kids" today, think they have all the answers and because we're older, we have outlived our ability to think without farting, speak without drooling and couldn't possibly know that 4 + 4 isn't 9. All our good ideas had to come off the back of a geritol container and any new ideas, we surely stole from them.

They think we all talk about bowel movements as a highlight to our social day and no, shhhhh, we never have sex. Child rearing is a no brainer if you ask them, they know it all so what's to rear? And starting a business and running it successfully is deemed "lucky" or only successful because you hired a "younger" person to run it. And... if one of them attempts it and fails, they blame us for overusing or over marketing the economy and "spoiling" it for them! Ergo, the ding-a-ling syndrome. So what purpose could we serve?

Stick us in a flower pot! At least with our drooling and gaseous behaviors, you can call us fertilizer! :rant::tongue

rhymegirl
09-12-2008, 05:45 PM
The way things are going, my next boss will be 12 years old.

Seaclusion
09-12-2008, 05:53 PM
Ok, Ya'll have convinced me. I am never going out and get a job again.

Richard

Clair Dickson
09-12-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey! (Wait, am I still a kid since I'm 27? I still feel like an awkward teenager half the time, does that count?)

I think the problem with many (not all!) young people is that they are convinced of their own greatness. Deluded really. They think they are computer wizards because they IM, but they can't insert a picture into Word. They think they're a hot commodity in the job market, but don't realize it's because they can be paid in peanuts.

So many young people have had folks, like their parents, fawning over them and letting them get away with pretty much anything. Many are short-sighted and full of themselves.

But there are some kids who are none of those things.

Similarly, there are older folks who think they don't have to learn computers, should be paid more because they have experience in a completely unrelated area, and think they should be given extra breaks and less work because they're "old"-- here kid, you finish this, I'm old. They are cranky, out of touch and oblivious to the changing world. They don't understand how technology has affected life and can only reminise about the "good old days". =)

But not all of them.

Though the recruiter you dealt with was dreadful, regardless of her age. I would have been unacceptable for her to act as she had, regardless of her age. It was a powertrip by an unambitious young woman who doesn't realize she is the obstacle to her own success.

Best of luck in your job hunt. It's tough out there for all of us. Young people too-- at least the ones with ambitious, desires, and real skills we'd like to apply. =)

Shadow_Ferret
09-12-2008, 06:00 PM
maybe you just didn't "connect." Did you talk about the Jonas Brothers at all? Should have said something like, "I was like listening to the Jonas Brothers and OMG! I just love them, like they're like soooo hawt!"

You'd be working today.

Jcomp
09-12-2008, 06:03 PM
I hate the pseudo-psychological questionnaires more than the interviews. I can talk the talk, but those 100 question forms that ask the same question 3 different times drive me nuts.

"Do you consider taking home pens from the office stealing from work?"

Who the hell cares?

TheWritingRunner
09-12-2008, 06:13 PM
All those quarters I sunk into that Ms Pac-Man game in the lounge really paid off. :D

Now that's what I call a good education! :)

TheWritingRunner
09-12-2008, 06:14 PM
I hate the pseudo-psychological questionnaires more than the interviews. I can talk the talk, but those 100 question forms that ask the same question 3 different times drive me nuts.

"Do you consider taking home pens from the office stealing from work?"

Who the hell cares?

The correct answer is: "I'm stealing this pen right now!"

AmusingMuse
09-12-2008, 06:22 PM
(smirk)

JimmyB27
09-12-2008, 06:27 PM
OMG, this is so true. The "kids" today, think they have all the answers and because we're older, we have outlived our ability to think without farting, speak without drooling and couldn't possibly know that 4 + 4 isn't 9. All our good ideas had to come off the back of a geritol container and any new ideas, we surely stole from them.

4+4 is 9, for sufficiently large values of 4. :tongue </smartarse youngster>


Hey! (Wait, am I still a kid since I'm 27? I still feel like an awkward teenager half the time, does that count?)

I think the problem with many (not all!) young people is that they are convinced of their own greatness. Deluded really. They think they are computer wizards because they IM, but they can't insert a picture into Word. They think they're a hot commodity in the job market, but don't realize it's because they can be paid in peanuts.
27 is most definitely still young. (Can you guess how old I am? ;))

My problem in the job world is the opposite of what you describe here - I'm actually worth a lot more than I give myself credit for. Or so people tell me.

AmusingMuse
09-12-2008, 06:32 PM
:tongue

tjwriter
09-12-2008, 07:38 PM
Clair's got quite a bit of it down, I believe. I went to college with a bunch of these kids (I'm a ripe old 26).

I remember one group project we had to do and at the time I was married and working 3rds as much as I could. The other members of the group would come up to me and tell me what time the group was meeting at on Saturday or Sunday. Mind you it was always some time of day that made it impossible to get any sleep as a third shifter who had worked the night before and had to work that night. They'd never even ask what time was good for me. They just told me. So, they got the proper response of, "I'll try to make it."

Then they got all mad because I "wasn't" doing my share of the work. They recruited me to that group for one purpose, and they all loved what I did to our presentation to make it function in a very cool way, so in the end all their complaining to the professor was for naught.

Or the group that where I did all the work, tried to get them to meet for months, got a little help on the presentation, and we got a nice, solid B. I was pleased because it's hard to do that kind of analysis on a case study by yourself, but one guy was mad about it. He thought we should have gotten a better grade. Shoulda done some of the work.

Of course, the recruiter for the temp agency was interesting. Not only did she dress like a teenager still, and was really weird. She didn't seem to know how to answer when I asked what to wear to the interview for the position. I miss my temp job, though.

Feiss
09-12-2008, 09:40 PM
hey, that girl was a disrespectful biotch, and she'll get her comeuppance, but most of us early 20 somethings are struggling too. We don't know what we want to do in life, the adult world is very different from the cocoon of college. It's all new and scary to us. At least the older generation has had decades to figure out what they're doing. I'm sorry that this chick pissed you off, but I don't think she's representative of my generation. For the record, I didn't know who the Jonas Brothers were until last month, and I tried really hard in College to learn something I hate, and now it'll probably take 10 years to get back on the right track again.

AmusingMuse
09-12-2008, 10:01 PM
Feiss, I don't think we're saying you all are the same. What I've discovered is there are two sets of thinking out there with your generation. Those who were raised by solid parental influences in their lives and those who virtually raised themselves.

Most, and not all of those who were raised by parents actively involved with their lives, who were taught the meaning of right and wrong and whose parents worked hard on developing well-rounded individuals are not part of this group referred to in this post. Unfortunately they suffer for the wrongs of the others their age in the other group.:Shrug:

The other group comes from the heavily divorced sector, dysfunctional or some blended families, where bitterness in bioparents fighting, and resenting, selfishness of parents who have children but can't be bothered raising these kids is the core of the problems, and society is forced to deal with them. Or, even those who just give, give, give to their kids without teaching, pawn them off on video games, television, babysitters,toys, fast cars and expensive boarding schools so that they don't have to parent. Most kids, and again not all, from both these scenarios are usually the ones who give your generation a bad name. Oh I know, all the protests are out there and ready to fire away at this post of mine, but I said most, not all. :flag:

In my research on this subject the general phrase "we reap what we sow" plays out in incredible proportions and to be quite honest with you, I fear our future leaders and what they will be all about. And girls like this one described in the initial post... tsk, tsk, a fitting example of "indifference inexperience at the helm:rant:."

What those like myself who are aging hope, is that those few kids from the positive group will find a way of rising up against the others and stand for what they believe in and fight what they don't. And they will have their hands full in the years to come, because when they get our age, the "other" group (for lack of a better word), will be the ones they will have to struggle against.

This is just an opinion, mine, and I'm sticking to it! :Soapbox:Gets off soap box.

P.S. I've met some really nice people in their 20s too, so I'm not entirely an ogre... ok maybe on Wednesdays. So you're safe.

Pagey's_Girl
09-12-2008, 10:13 PM
hey, that girl was a disrespectful biotch, and she'll get her comeuppance, but most of us early 20 somethings are struggling too. We don't know what we want to do in life, the adult world is very different from the cocoon of college. It's all new and scary to us. At least the older generation has had decades to figure out what they're doing. I'm sorry that this chick pissed you off, but I don't think she's representative of my generation. For the record, I didn't know who the Jonas Brothers were until last month, and I tried really hard in College to learn something I hate, and now it'll probably take 10 years to get back on the right track again.

I know exactly what you're talking about - going from high school to college isn't so bad because at least you're still a student, but you graduate from college and it's like, "Okay, NOW what do I do?" Talk about culture shock. It's sort of like being given the keys to a Maserati when you turn sixteen and hearing. "Here you go, sweetie. Hope you figure it out." Some days I'm surprised that I've figured out as much of it as I have. And seriously - give me a co-worker, young or old, who's smart enough to know that they don't know everything over some jerk who thinks they're an expert in freaking everything. (The nastiest of the latter tend to be closer to my age, it seems. I've had to bite my tongue a few times to keep from saying yeah, you've been doing your job for oh sooooooo looooooooooooong now. Guess what? So have I and a lot of other people. Get over yourself already...)

Cassiopeia
09-12-2008, 11:44 PM
Hello Sweetie, If I could just ask you a simple question. Have I got your attention? Great. When was the last time you created a marketing innovation, which energized you, and why did it do so?And the first smile of the day goes to my dear friend KTC. Thank you darlin'. ;)


Pfffft - When are you oldies going to face up to the fact that you're past it? Young graduates are the FUTURE, people! Three years of drinking and sleeping around studying hard at university is the perfect experience for any job.Ahhh, I needed that. A good ole' Irish joke. *pauses* oh wait, you mean you weren't joking? oooooooooops...sorry ;)


Quite right.
In fact I think young people should be locked in a basement and kept out of sight until they grow into middle-aged, experienced people.*goes to prepare the basement for Ben. :D


Hey! (Wait, am I still a kid since I'm 27? I still feel like an awkward teenager half the time, does that count?)

I think the problem with many (not all!) young people is that they are convinced of their own greatness. Deluded really. They think they are computer wizards because they IM, but they can't insert a picture into Word. They think they're a hot commodity in the job market, but don't realize it's because they can be paid in peanuts.

So many young people have had folks, like their parents, fawning over them and letting them get away with pretty much anything. Many are short-sighted and full of themselves.

But there are some kids who are none of those things.

Similarly, there are older folks who think they don't have to learn computers, should be paid more because they have experience in a completely unrelated area, and think they should be given extra breaks and less work because they're "old"-- here kid, you finish this, I'm old. They are cranky, out of touch and oblivious to the changing world. They don't understand how technology has affected life and can only reminise about the "good old days". =)

But not all of them.

Though the recruiter you dealt with was dreadful, regardless of her age. I would have been unacceptable for her to act as she had, regardless of her age. It was a powertrip by an unambitious young woman who doesn't realize she is the obstacle to her own success.

Best of luck in your job hunt. It's tough out there for all of us. Young people too-- at least the ones with ambitious, desires, and real skills we'd like to apply. =)Thanks for your support. It's a relief to know that my kids aren't the only rational youngun's out there. :)


The correct answer is: "I'm stealing this pen right now!"*laughs while taking a drink and gets water up her nose*


(smirk)EXACTLY ;)

I'm not saying that all young people are like this. I'm just so disgusted with the recruiting agencies out there. I understand that college grads are cheaper to higher, I just want them to be trained to be decent and compassionate human beings.

AmusingMuse
09-13-2008, 12:03 AM
And the first smile of the day goes to my dear friend KTC. Thank you darlin'. ;)

Ahhh, I needed that. A good ole' Irish joke. *pauses* oh wait, you mean you weren't joking? oooooooooops...sorry ;)

*goes to prepare the basement for Ben. :D

Thanks for your support. It's a relief to know that my kids aren't the only rational youngun's out there. :)

*laughs while taking a drink and gets water up her nose*

EXACTLY ;)

I'm not saying that all young people are like this. I'm just so disgusted with the recruiting agencies out there. I understand that college grads are cheaper to higher, I just want them to be trained to be decent and compassionate human beings.


Amen! And do we have a Booooya!

Seaclusion
09-13-2008, 12:12 AM
I just want them to be trained to be decent and compassionate human beings.


That can't be done after the fact. High school, college and their employer don't do that. That was their parents job and they failed.

Richard

Cassiopeia
09-13-2008, 12:59 AM
That can't be done after the fact. High school, college and their employer don't do that. That was their parents job and they failed.

Richard
Nonsense! I know perfectly normal kids who to go college and come out defective. I know really rotten kids who go to college and come out great. It isn't just on the parents. It starts there but when they move out, it's up to them. On the job training and paying attention in classes like the marketing one I have right now regarding customer service could do them a lot of good.

Deccydiva
09-13-2008, 01:17 AM
I've been looking for a job for 16 months and I think I've heard most of the stupid reasons for not getting an offer. I'm educated to Masters level, have been a qualified accountant for 20 years and I can't get a job in McDonalds, let alone something in my own line. As I live alone it's becoming a serious worry and my health has been seriously affected. I feel like I'm trapped in a burning building and every direction I run in is straight into the fire.
Good job writing is an escape! And the dogs, of course... :)

AmusingMuse
09-18-2008, 10:04 PM
:Hug2::Hug2:

Ol' Fashioned Girl
09-18-2008, 10:37 PM
:roll: I am SO not believing what I'm reading here... I remember when we were the younguns and didn't trust anyone over 30! :roll:

Cassiopeia
09-18-2008, 11:20 PM
I still don't trust anyone over 30.

I only just celebrated my 29th bday. :D

(for the 21th time)

BardSkye
09-18-2008, 11:23 PM
:roll: I am SO not believing what I'm reading here... I remember when we were the younguns and didn't trust anyone over 30! :roll:

... and our parents thought our music would turn us all into serial-killers, our fashions looked ridiculous, and "Why are you studying science, girl? Just learn to cook and find a man to marry."

"The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Chin up, Cassie. The gods didn't want you to have what the interviewer was offering, and I'm sure it's because they have something better in mind for you.

Cassiopeia
09-18-2008, 11:32 PM
Bardskye you are such a peach! Thanks for the encouragement. I actually have an interview tomorrow. I submitted my resume for a department manager at a national chain store for crafts, called Michaels.

The manager (or soon to be this sunday) phoned me to say that she found my resume and is very interested in speaking with me.

It will be a huge step back in pay, I'm sure. But, it's work and that's all I care about right now. It seems, from what I've been told by the HR manager at the company I sold, that she is seeing more professionals that are highly qualified workers applying for jobs at her office for half the pay they are used to if not less.

Looks like things are taking a turn for worse here and Utah was holding strong for a long time against unemployment ratios going up. I'll be okay.

I'm revamping my website soon and bringing on new designs and hopefully selling more.