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LimeyDawg
07-08-2008, 03:49 AM
Okay, so the constitution is pretty clear as far as that there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, so how, then, can the State of South Carolina offer a Christian license plate?

aliajohnson
07-08-2008, 04:14 AM
Here's a link for those who want it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/sclicense.plates/index.html

There's a lawsuit in the works. I doubt the plates will ever see the light of day. My opinion--It's about some people trying to get elected, or re-elected.

Um. . .Is this really an OP kind of topic? Seems like it could get heated, fast.

Seaclusion
07-08-2008, 04:20 AM
I agree Alia. I think this belongs in Hardcore P&CE.

Richard

LimeyDawg
07-08-2008, 04:21 AM
more heated than watermelon viagra?????

Seaclusion
07-08-2008, 04:22 AM
more heated than watermelon viagra?????

Yes. You can always ask a mod to move it.

Richard

Ol' Fashioned Girl
07-08-2008, 04:30 AM
I'm thinkin' there's already a thread over there... lemme see if I can find it. Hang on, folks.

kristie911
07-08-2008, 04:37 AM
Yeah, there is one over in Hardcore.

CACTUSWENDY
07-08-2008, 04:44 AM
Hardcore?

lol....okay...

I would not have a problem with plates no matter who they back. Here in Arizona there must be like 40 different org. that you can pick from and the state makes like 25.00 bucks extra each for them.

I guess this would open a pack of worms if you wanted one for say...the KKK or one of the skin head groups. Might be better to not have the state do this. With all the frames that you can buy to put your plates in I would think that would be enough.

Just my ramblings....and two cents...

Ol' Fashioned Girl
07-08-2008, 04:49 AM
Actually... it's in Hardcore P&CE. You might want to go over there and visit. ;)

poetinahat
07-08-2008, 04:53 AM
Wondering whether they'll offer license plates with Stars of David, crescents, images of Vishnu, or pentacles as well.

Seaclusion
07-08-2008, 04:55 AM
Wondering whether they'll offer license plates with Stars of David, crescents, images of Vishnu, or pentacles as well.

Highly doubtful. The powers that be are christian and that is what they will support.

Richard

Silver King
07-08-2008, 05:02 AM
There's a specialty plate in Florida that says, "Choose Life." I believe it's available in other states as well.

Now that's also something to argue about!

Pat~
07-08-2008, 05:05 AM
Wondering whether they'll offer license plates with Stars of David, crescents, images of Vishnu, or pentacles as well.

Apparently they do offer a Star of David one, but for some reason they don't allow words with it.

Sounds like the whole thing hasn't been real well thought out yet...

Seaclusion
07-08-2008, 05:08 AM
There's a specialty plate in Florida that says, "Choose Life." I believe it's available in other states as well.

Now that's also something to argue about!

Yes, I have seen it in other states. The money generated is purportedly to help adoption but the county I live in returned the money to the state because there are no programs here that support adaption. Adoption is a self supporting process here. So the plates are actually a thinly veiled religious statement. The plates proposed in South Carolina will not be disguised. They will be overtly religious.

Richard

soleary
07-08-2008, 05:21 AM
I have a niece who worships Winnie the Pooh. Maybe I can get Pooh plates in her honor, as long as the gov't doesn't poo-poo it, that is :).

Shwebb
07-08-2008, 05:32 AM
Well, they'd better not leave out the Pastafarians. That would be wrong.

All hail the all-seeing spaghetti monster!

Psst. You guys are supposed to bow down now.

Silver King
07-08-2008, 05:35 AM
Ironically, I'd much prefer seeing an I Believe specialty plate than one that proclaims, Choose Life.

Either way, people who wear their beliefs on their sleeves, or in this case, on the back of their dirty cars, shouldn't be taken too damn seriously in the first place.

I know, I know, it's the principle that matters. But you can still grab your crotch with both hands and tell them to screw off, in person or hypothetically, however the situation warrants. Now that's saying something (protected free speech).

Shwebb
07-08-2008, 05:47 AM
Honestly, I don't want nothing posting nothing about me on any vehicle I drive. My husband did sneak a few vacation stickers on there, and I hate that. Makes us look like . . . tourists? Now they can see us coming from farther away.

I mean, jeez--what if I commit a crime or something? Wouldn't that make my car easier to identify, if I had a bunch of stuff on it?

What?

benbradley
07-08-2008, 08:13 AM
Honestly, I don't want nothing posting nothing about me on any vehicle I drive. My husband did sneak a few vacation stickers on there, and I hate that. Makes us look like . . . tourists? Now they can see us coming from farther away.

I mean, jeez--what if I commit a crime or something? Wouldn't that make my car easier to identify, if I had a bunch of stuff on it?

What?
Shwebb, commit a crime??? No doubt you're just speaking hypothetically and theoretically...
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JimmyB27
07-08-2008, 02:35 PM
There's a specialty plate in Florida that says, "Choose Life." I believe it's available in other states as well.

Now that's also something to argue about!
You can get number plates based on Trainspotting?

soleary
07-08-2008, 06:05 PM
Here's my quandry. You can put ANY DANG BUMPER STICKER that says anything you want on it. Why do you need to do the same with license plates? It doesn't make sense to me.

Pagey's_Girl
07-08-2008, 07:16 PM
Here's my quandry. You can put ANY DANG BUMPER STICKER that says anything you want on it. Why do you need to do the same with license plates? It doesn't make sense to me.

Well, something like "Cops Are Wusses" might not be advisiable....;)

Shadow_Ferret
07-08-2008, 07:24 PM
Okay, so the constitution is pretty clear as far as that there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, so how, then, can the State of South Carolina offer a Christian license plate?
Actually, there is no such thing in the Constitution.

benbradley
07-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Okay, so the constitution is pretty clear as far as that there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, so how, then, can the State of South Carolina offer a Christian license plate?
They can offer a license plate promoting anything until someone challenges it in court. Just because it goes against the Constitution doesn't stop a government in the US, at any level, from doing it. A particular action may "obviously" go against the Constitution, but it won't stop until a court rules that it should stop (and often if it can be done more stealthily or indirectly, it still won't stop).

Actually, there is no such thing in the Constitution.
The actual words I bolded on LimeyDawg's quote don't appear in the text of the Constitution or in any amendments, but arguably the concept DOES appear.

soleary
07-08-2008, 10:42 PM
Too many people in this country spend waaaay too much time putting sun tan lotion on a gnat's ass. They should quit avoiding their own lives by creating this type of nonsense. Some moron decided that the "I heart Jesus bumper" sticker and the angel bobblehead on his dash and the light up cross in his tow hitch were simply not enough to express his love of the Lord. We need to say I Believe on our license plates? We need to deliver a pro-life message next to our numerals and letters? C'mon, US! Can't we be a bit more plugged into what really matters in this world?
Okay, putting my soap box away for now ... :)

LimeyDawg
07-08-2008, 10:43 PM
Correct. Like many of the things we believe, it is taken from the implied meaning and interpretation of the Amendments to the constitution, and also from later rulings of the supreme court. This one comes from the first amendment, albeit indirectly.

soleary
07-08-2008, 10:45 PM
Here's a little background for the discussion from Wikipedia ...

The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.

Shadow_Ferret
07-09-2008, 12:05 AM
The actual words I bolded on LimeyDawg's quote don't appear in the text of the Constitution or in any amendments, but arguably the concept DOES appear.
The CONCEPT is that there would be no state sanctioned religion.

The CONCEPT is one of freedom OF relgion.

Not freedom FROM religion.

Gravity
07-09-2008, 12:25 AM
Mister Ferret speaks the truth (as ferrets are wont to do). The whole magilla involved our founders not wanting a state-run church (as in the Church of England) in their midst, gumming up the gears. They'd already fought a war to get out from under it (among other reasons); you can imagine them not being real eager for some well-meaning cleric to found the First Church of the United States, or some such.

soleary
07-09-2008, 12:53 AM
When citizens can put whatever sticker they want on their car, I think the cross on the plates is beyond overkill. Smells like some people looking for a fight. How unChristian of them.

MacAllister
07-09-2008, 05:24 AM
I'd sorta thought this thread would get silly, then drop off the page. It hasn't done any such thing, though.

Do we need porting to P&CE Training Camp, yet? Or is everyone comfy where they are? OP Mods?

Devil Ledbetter
07-09-2008, 05:37 AM
Here's my quandry. You can put ANY DANG BUMPER STICKER that says anything you want on it. Why do you need to do the same with license plates? It doesn't make sense to me.I agree. I thought those specialty plates raised money for certain causes. For example, in Michigan we have a lighthouse plate that raises money to maintain our lighthouses, or "kids" plates that raise money to prevent child abuse.

Where does the money for the Christianity plate go?

My car has one of these:

http://www.sciwear.com/prod_images_large/ACFQGZUGx.gif



Mac, teleport if you must, but this seems pretty tame to me.

soleary
07-09-2008, 05:52 AM
Maybe it will fund the next Crusades? :)

Silver King
07-09-2008, 05:55 AM
This is what mine looks like, except the numbers aren't quite in the same sequence: :)


http://www.tbep.org/pics/plate.jpg

benbradley
07-09-2008, 06:03 AM
The CONCEPT is that there would be no state sanctioned religion.

The CONCEPT is one of freedom OF relgion.

Not freedom FROM religion.
Uh Oh... (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108806)

misslissy
07-09-2008, 08:36 AM
I would like to point out that Indiana (according to what I could find - I don't live there but I drove across the state once and you see a lot of license plates like that, so I did a little digging) offered "In God We Trust" license plate graphics at no cost to the general public. (And they must have been popular - because you can see them all over the place).

Red-Green
07-09-2008, 05:09 PM
Oh, heck, Florida has like 7,000 specialty plates, including one for each of the other 49 states :D