there have been some passing comments made the past few days indicating that P&CE is less welcoming (both in the totality of posts and in the policing by mods) of some viewpoints than of others.
what's your take?
what's your take?
From my POV, I see there being a fair amount of crossover when it comes to some issues.
But, a personal opinion, the liberal views tend to be more hard-left across the board, and the conservative views are right-leaning without too much far-right, yet "righty" individuals aren't conservative on every issue.
touché
Well of course you do. You yourself lean right. I tend left, so I see it exactly the opposite way.From my POV, I see there being a fair amount of crossover when it comes to some issues.
But, a personal opinion, the liberal views tend to be more hard-left across the board, and the conservative views are right-leaning without too much far-right, yet "righty" individuals aren't conservative on every issue.
No. Seriously. IMO, it used to lean fairly heavily to the left, but, what with the comings and goings of members, I think it tends to lean somewhat to the right now. My point is, it's not static. It changes over time.
No. Seriously. IMO, it used to lean fairly heavily to the left, but, what with the comings and goings of members, I think it tends to lean somewhat to the right now. My point is, it's not static. It changes over time.
this despite a fairly consistent cavalcade of comments (some implicit, some explicit) that anyone who leans right dabbles in fascism, or is a mouthbreathing reactionary, or a holocaust apologist, or a "wingnut".
this mirrors my perception of hardcore liberals and progressives in the general population, who are far more given to victimhood and a general sense of political martyrdom.
Despite my love of politics, I don't particularly like P&CE at the moment and am trying to avoid posting there. I'm vastly indifferent to the liberal or conservative spins--that doesn't bother me at all. *shrug* The attitude there overall, and not singling out any group of posters, is currently poisonous.
I think this is due to the very nature of Pro vs. Con. Traditional and purist Pro wants change and foreward momentum. Traditional and purist Con wants everything to stay exactly where it is. So the Pro is doing all the work --and getting nowhere-- while the Con is just sitting there precisely where he wants to, perfectly thwarting all of the efforts of Mr. or Ms. Pro. This degree of frustration and state of perpetual failute can certainly lend to a sense of victimhood.
Yes. As rugcat said, it's more an issue of personalities, rather than ideologies, that seems to be P&CE's current bane...
Despite my love of politics, I don't particularly like P&CE at the moment and am trying to avoid posting there. I'm vastly indifferent to the liberal or conservative spins--that doesn't bother me at all. *shrug* The attitude there overall, and not singling out any group of posters, is currently poisonous.
Could be. Or could be an accurate assessment of the current tenor of the forum.the results so far (anecdotal and incomplete, for sure) do seem to indicate that there's a far more predominant persecution complex among our friends on the left (3 votes for "hostile to liberal views vs. none of the reverse)...
Could be. Or could be an accurate assessment of the current tenor of the forum.
I don't think it's so much personalities, Cranky, as it is a sense of entitlement. Posters who start threads without citations, posters who have obvious agendas--some of them spew out whatever they wish because they are ENTITLED to do so. I've disagreed with many a poster in P&CE, and sometimes the debates got heated. However, those of us who try to play by the rules never feel ENTITLED to force our opinions down everyone else's throats.