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Sarpedon
06-16-2008, 06:49 PM
I was driving around yesterday, and was thinking about the movie 'the passion of the christ' and got to thinking about how it must be tough to act when there aren't any acting coaches available for the language you are going to be acting in.

So that led me to wonder, 'how similar is ancient Hebrew to modern Hebrew?' Could a modern hebrew language coach also coach someone in ancient hebrew? (yes I know they were mostly speaking aramaic in the movie, but thats completely aside the point)

And if anyone has any insights as to how the modern Hebrew as spoken in Israel was devised, I'd love to hear it. It certainly is fascinating that a language could be revived like that.

StephanieFox
06-16-2008, 09:33 PM
Hebrew was a dead language, and like Latin, used only in prayer or in certain words in Yiddish. How it was revived is interesting and may answer some of your questions.

http://www.malkadrucker.com/elizer.html

In Hebrew the word sandwich transliterates as sandvitch.

Prawn
07-14-2008, 04:38 AM
Aramaic is also a living language. There are still native speakers.

Smiling Ted
07-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Some dialects of Aramaic is still alive. Many others are not. And the dialects that remain are not necessarily mutually intelligible. For instance, Chaldean Christians would find Talmudic Aramaic to be incomprehensible.

Sarpedon
07-15-2008, 05:30 PM
Oh really? I didn't know that. Where are they spoken?

Smiling Ted
07-16-2008, 02:46 AM
Oh really? I didn't know that. Where are they spoken?

Isolated communities in Iraq, Iran, and Turkey.
A group of Aramaic-speaking Christians emigrated some years back and now form a community in Dearborn, Michigan.

ETA: Biblical and Modern Hebrew are essentially the same. Anyone who speaks Modern Hebrew has no problem understanding the Torah in the original. That's the point, of course. (Medieval European Hebrew is a pain in the butt, though.)

girlyswot
07-16-2008, 10:28 PM
ETA: Biblical and Modern Hebrew are essentially the same. Anyone who speaks Modern Hebrew has no problem understanding the Torah in the original. That's the point, of course. (Medieval European Hebrew is a pain in the butt, though.)

Actually, it's not quite that simple. ;)

Biblical and modern Hebrew share quite a lot of vocabulary but the grammar and syntax structures are completely different. When I learned biblical Hebrew, there was a woman in my class who was fluent in modern Hebrew. She could generally make a good guess at the gist of the biblical Hebrew but found it hard to grasp some of the nuances of the grammar. The verb system, for example, is very complex in biblical Hebrew and has been much simplified in the modern system.

Smiling Ted
07-17-2008, 09:51 AM
Actually, it's not quite that simple. ;)

Biblical and modern Hebrew share quite a lot of vocabulary but the grammar and syntax structures are completely different. When I learned biblical Hebrew, there was a woman in my class who was fluent in modern Hebrew. She could generally make a good guess at the gist of the biblical Hebrew but found it hard to grasp some of the nuances of the grammar. The verb system, for example, is very complex in biblical Hebrew and has been much simplified in the modern system.

And some speakers of Modern English struggle with Shakespearean English. But to say that grammar and syntax are "completely different" is an exaggeration. When I learned both forms - in kindergarten - we had no problem with either one. Just because a Modern Hebrew speaker won't be using prefixed vav to form her tenses doesn't mean that Biblical Hebrew's a different beast.

Was your classmate a native speaker? Or was it a second or third language?

semilargeintestine
01-25-2009, 03:46 AM
I learned Biblical Hebrew, and when I went to Israel, I had very little trouble understanding or speaking to anyone. I asked a few people what the differences were regarding syntax and grammar, and I was good to go. Obviously, I was unaware of the slang or modern idioms, but it was not difficult for me to walk around conversatin'.

Hebrew wasn't exactly a dead language, it just was not what they call a "mother tongue". This makes sense, however, when you consider that the Jews had no motherland to speak of; regardless, it was still spoken, albeit by a significantly smaller population when compared to Yiddish and other languages. The "revival" can be said to have started with the First Aliyah in the late 19th century (forget the date...I was always terrible at remembering dates), when Ben Yehuda began trying to spread the language from the small community in which it was already being spoken naturally. It didn't start to really grow, however, until the establishment of Tel Aviv in like 1909 or 1910 or something.

By the way, I know it's a zombie thread, but I figured since it's in a forum specific to its topic, it wouldn't matter.

Prawn
01-25-2009, 05:43 PM
No, I don't think Hebrew wasn't spoken before the revival. Rather, it was read. All Jewish communities could read it, and if they had a language of their own like Yiddish or Ladino, they used it as their alphabet, sort of like writing down German or Spanish using Hebrew letters. Many regarded Hebrew as a sacred language that shouldn't be spoken except in prayer. Hebrew was chosen as a common language to unite a people who spoke Russian, Yiddish, English and dozens of other languages. A hundred years ago, I don't think there was a native population of Hebrew speakers anywhere. That's why when Hebrew was revived, they didn't have words for a lot of things, everything from different flowers to words for refrigerator, telegraph and automobile. If there had been an existing Hebrew-speaking population, they wouldn't have had to make up so many words. Those words would have been around.

semilargeintestine
01-28-2009, 08:02 AM
I'm not sure if you mean that you think it was or you think it wasn't spoken before the revival. If you don't think it was, I'm sorry to tell you that you're wrong. There was a small community of people speaking Hebrew in Israel prior to Ben Yehuda's Aliyah. It's documented by him that the people he met after settling in Jerusalem could and did speak Hebrew, it just wasn't their only or primary language. If you're saying that there was not a group of people who spoke only Hebrew all the time before the revival, you're probably right. But, there were people who spoke it, and indeed, Jews all over the world spoke it several times a day in prayer and the like.

Prawn
01-28-2009, 05:10 PM
Saying something in a prayer doesn't mean you can speak it. Do you think that every catholic who listens to or recites the mass is fluent in Latin? Or every Indonesian Muslim who prays five times a day is fluent in Arabic?

My point is that Hebrew was a liturgical language, not one that was spoken in casual conversation, and it was certainly no one's first language.

That is why a 100 years ago in the land that is now Israel they had many Hebrew terms for priestly vestments, but none for can opener or telegraph.

semilargeintestine
01-29-2009, 03:30 AM
Either you missed something, or I left something out. In Ben Yehuda's writings, he made it clear that upon his aliyah and settlement in Jerusalem, he was able to have conversations with the people already living there in Hebrew only. If they couldn't speak it, they were really good at faking it then.

Prawn
01-29-2009, 05:09 AM
No, my point was that all Jews know Hebrew to some extent. Yes, people back then could understand it and you might say they spoke it since they used it in prayer every day, but until Ben Yehuda started the revival, it was not anyone's first language.

"He had encountered simple people who could speak Hebrew, perhaps with mistakes..." 1 (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/ben_yehuda.html)

So if you mean that people could understand it, that's true, but that is different than a population of people who spoke it on a daily basis in casual conversation.

"Ben‑Yehuda set out to develop a new language that could replace Yiddish and other regional dialects as a means of everyday communication between Jews who made aliyah from various regions of the world." 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliezer_Ben-Yehuda)

"Eliezer Ben-Yehuda (אליעזר בן־יהודה) (b. Eliezer Yitzhak Perelman, January 7, 1858-1922), was principally responsible for the revival of Hebrew as a spoken language, whereas it had previously been a ceremonial language." 3 (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Eliezer-Ben_Yehuda)

"Ben-Yehuda made his first wife Deborah promise to raise the boy as the first all-Hebrew speaking child in modern history." 4 (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/ben_yehuda.html)

People could understand it when spoken to and could even say things with mistakes but they didn't speak it well. I would be happy to look at any source you can recommend which shows that there was a native Hebrew-speaking population in Palestine before Ben Yehuda.

semilargeintestine
01-29-2009, 05:25 AM
Gotcha. I understood your post to mean that no one really spoke it at all or understood it outside of prayer.

Smiling Ted
01-29-2009, 06:29 AM
In Semi's defense, Prawn, your first post does sound as if you're saying that no one spoke Hebrew prior to Ben-Yehuda.

BTW, the presence of adopted words in Modern Hebrew is beside the point: Every living language borrows from others...as anyone who has watched Spanish futbol on a televisíon can attest. (And of course, English speakers are indebted to India for bungalow, hammock, divan...)

In addition to mystics who felt that Hebrew was sacred, there were also many Medieval poets like Judah Ha-Levi who composed decidedly secular poetry in Hebrew, paying "special attention to acoustic effect and wit." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Ha-Levi) And the Jewish intelligentsia of the Middle Ages used Hebrew in the same way priests used Latin - not just liturgically, but to discuss sacred matters and overcome the barriers of different local dialects.

So Hebrew did get a workout before Ben-Yehuda...just not as the primary language. ;)

Prawn
01-29-2009, 06:58 AM
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I said Hebrew was not spoken and that "A hundred years ago, I don't think there was a native population of Hebrew speakers anywhere. " I didn't mean no one ever spoke it. If someone spoke Yiddish and someone else spoke Ladino, they could probably get their point across in Hebrew. That is different from Hebrew being a living, breathing language spoken by native speakers.

It would be interesting to find out if the scholars like Ha-Levi coined in new words, or if their poetry was merely a demonstration of their mastery of a static, unevolving language. I would guess they stuck to the vocabulary of the Torah. Their making up new words would have sort have been like a Latin scholar declining the noun coca-cola in the dative case.

Smiling Ted
01-29-2009, 10:18 AM
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I said Hebrew was not spoken and that "A hundred years ago, I don't think there was a native population of Hebrew speakers anywhere. " I didn't mean no one ever spoke it. If someone spoke Yiddish and someone else spoke Ladino, they could probably get their point across in Hebrew. That is different from Hebrew being a living, breathing language spoken by native speakers.

It would be interesting to find out if the scholars like Ha-Levi coined in new words, or if their poetry was merely a demonstration of their mastery of a static, unevolving language. I would guess they stuck to the vocabulary of the Torah. Their making up new words would have sort have been like a Latin scholar declining the noun coca-cola in the dative case.

Hebrew after the fall of Judaea wasn't a fully-spoken national language, but it wasn't a sterile backwater, either. If you look at the prayers of the paytanim, the medieval liturgists, you can certainly tell the difference between their Hebrew and Biblical and Mishnaic Hebrew. I don't know if they created new words, but they certainly used Hebrew differently...much as medieval priests used Latin differently from Imperial Romans. They didn't have to coin new words to use Hebrew in a way that was fresh and original.

Ha-Levi was a poet, philosopher, and physician, not a scholar per se. His poetry isn't a scholarly linguistic exercise. It is deeply felt and quite beautiful...and sometimes damned funny.

The Grey Hair
A poem by Yehudah ha-Levi

One day I observed a grey hair in my head;
I plucked it right out, when it thus to me said:
"You may smile, if you wish, at your treatment of me,
But a score of my friends soon will make of you a mockery."

Prawn
01-29-2009, 02:26 PM
Great poem, but I think someone in the medieval era s was a "poet, philosopher, and physician" was also automatically a scholar. This was a time when 99.9999% of people could not even read. I believe that my point still stands. If a few people who were wealthy, widely traveled literate scholars knew Hebrew well enough to speak it, that doesn't make it living language, even if the poetry they wrote in it was beautiful.

johnnysannie
01-30-2009, 08:06 PM
Saying something in a prayer doesn't mean you can speak it. Do you think that every catholic who listens to or recites the mass is fluent in Latin? .


Mass for the vast majority of Catholic hasn't been in Latin for more than 40 years thus very few Catholics younger than myself (who does recall the Latin mass and responses) know more than a few words.

reletomp
01-31-2009, 01:33 PM
nobody can speak Latin. The Latin language died 1500 years ago.
the Latin spoken by liturgy in catholic churches is a written language Latin survived only as a written language.

Hebrew did both as spoken and as written language 2000 years ago.
Nobody knows how it was written (ie make a complete sentense) or speak a complete sentense with out making mistakes.
The only language that is similar to Hebrew is the Arabic language (if not the same).

However I arabic can read and understand Hebrew of the Bible based on my knowledge in Arabic but I can not understand a word if I was listening to Radio Israel for example.
David or Gamlayel could not understand the Modern Hebrew (just like me).

donroc
01-31-2009, 03:42 PM
Salaam and Shalom to AW, reletomp, and enjoy.

Prawn
01-31-2009, 05:33 PM
The only language that is similar to Hebrew is the Arabic language (if not the same).


Aramaic is another Semitic language similar to Hebrew and Arabic. It is still spoken by about half a million people in North Africa and the Middle East.

johnnysannie
01-31-2009, 09:23 PM
nobody can speak Latin. The Latin language died 1500 years ago.
the Latin spoken by liturgy in catholic churches is a written language Latin survived only as a written language.

Hebrew did both as spoken and as written language 2000 years ago.
Nobody knows how it was written (ie make a complete sentense) or speak a complete sentense with out making mistakes.
The only language that is similar to Hebrew is the Arabic language (if not the same).

However I arabic can read and understand Hebrew of the Bible based on my knowledge in Arabic but I can not understand a word if I was listening to Radio Israel for example.
David or Gamlayel could not understand the Modern Hebrew (just like me).

While it is truth enough that Latin is considered a "dead" language and no one speaks it as their everyday tongue, most Catholics, self included, of a certain age know "church Latin". Also, the roots of many English words are in Latin and my knowledge of Latin, while not that of a speaker of the same, has long enabled me to define words and word roots. My kids find that quite fascinating.

reletomp
02-01-2009, 09:57 AM
Medical terminology is made of latin and greek both dead languages.
If you consider Medical terminology a language then clergy Latin is a similar language.
But not neither Medical terminology and Latin are live languages.
Hebrew also.
As for Aramaeic it must be arabic.
The bible that is written in Arameic (new or old testament) is actually a(EAST Arameic Language) a dead language used only by Magi. it is not the same as the western sarameic language which is identical to arabic and Hebrew (Hebrew being the oldest dialect of the same language, arameic is the middle age dialect of the same language, while Arabic is the last dialect of that language.
That is why people should avoid considering gospels and bible written in the (EASTERN) Arameic language because it was a language exclusive to the magi (example of magi hartoums of Babylonia, and the Talmud).

As a native speaker of Arabic I can read the Bible (hebrew) by replacing the weird alphabet of Hebrew (called Herodian-not original alphabet any way) by Arabic alphabet. However I can not understand a word listening to Radio Israel for example!
Why?
because Ancient Hebrew is Arabic and Modern Hebrew is a compilation of Yiddish Ladino and Talmudic (eastern) Arameic languages with Biblical Hebrew lexicon that is 50% wrong because that lexicon was deciphered by Europpeans speakers of Gothic languages similar to Yiddish ( can not trust them just like you can not trust Yiddish speakers (Ben Yehuda) to decipher the Ancient Hebrew (which is Arabic ie my live first language) I d trust my self before any body like Jerome or Ben Yehuda (both Goths)

reletomp
02-01-2009, 10:07 AM
When King Darius the Great officiated the Western Arameic language as the language of the empire. it was Hebrew that is the western Arameic. The Eastern Arameic (Caldanians language) died then and continued as a dead written language of the clergy of Zoroastran and other Magi (later Talmud was written by that dead language) a language only rabbies or Hartooms (magi) could read and fathom, not for ordinary people.
Wetern Arameic is Ancient hebrew. spoke western Arameic ie Hebrew the language of Moses exactly, whic is the exact language of Arabic of the Quran.
Ben Yehuda is a Goths of the Ra1a haplogroup of the slavic race. why should he be able to revive a semitic language . This is an absured statement.

Prawn
02-01-2009, 04:15 PM
As for Aramaeic it must be arabic.


You are wrong. Aramaic is a Semitic langauge like Hebrew and Arabic, spoken by hundreds of thousands of people, my wife's grandfather being one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language

Smiling Ted
02-01-2009, 10:39 PM
Ben Yehuda is a Goths of the Ra1a haplogroup of the slavic race. why should he be able to revive a semitic language . This is an absured statement. SNIPPETY-SNIP

:roll:
The Magi spoke an Indo-Iranian dialect; Aramaic is Semitic.
The New Testament was written in Greek, not Aramaic.
Aramaic was a common language of the Middle East with dozens of different dialects. It isn't Arabic. If it were...it would be called Arabic.
Aramaic isn't Biblical or Modern Hebrew. I know, I speak all three.
Aramaic is still a living language, spoken by Chaldean Christians...who emigrate from Arabic-speaking countries because of Moslem-Arab discrimination.
Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew are all Semitic languages. Hebrew is not Arabic. Any native Hebrew speaker today can pick up a copy of the Old Testament and read it without difficulty. Our pronunciation has been maintained so closely by the Masora that communities isolated from each other for centuries still pronounce Biblical Hebrew almost identically. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?
And just out of curiosity, when did you get that DNA test on Ben Yehuda?

I could go on, but let's be clear - you don't care about the facts. In fact, you hate the facts, because what you want to do is claim that Jews have no connection to the land of Israel. In order to do that, you have to make up lies to attack that history. And when the overwhelming weight of mainstream scholarship goes against your statements, you'll claim that there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth.

We know that's your purpose - because why else would a "native arabic speaker" show up out of nowhere, with no profile and no previous posts, come to a writer's bulletin board, and go directly to the Jewish forum?

If you want a political discussion, go here. (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=185)

Otherwise, you're just one more troll.

rugcat
02-01-2009, 10:42 PM
If you want a political discussion, go here. (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=185)Yes, the P&CE forum needs more controversy. Thanks a lot.

Smiling Ted
02-01-2009, 10:50 PM
Sorry.
But maybe he can't spell "llibberty."

Shamrockgreen
04-03-2009, 08:06 AM
Great thread......thank you all posting your knowledge.

Sarpedon
04-03-2009, 11:10 PM
I didn't even notice that this old thread had been resurrected. I'm glad it was, I've learned even more.

StephanieFox
04-07-2009, 04:02 AM
BTW, the presence of adopted words in Modern Hebrew is beside the point: Every living language borrows from others...as anyone who has watched Spanish futbol on a televisíon can attest. (And of course, English speakers are indebted to India for bungalow, hammock, divan...)
;)


And India – at least Hindi – use a lot of English words with, of course, an Indian accent. 'Computer' and 'blackboard' is the same in both languages. And of course, there is 'le weekend' to the horror of pure French speakers.

Adelaide
04-16-2009, 04:34 PM
Yeah, the "weekend" phenomenon happens exactly the same way in Hebrew, too. Lame. Use your own language, people.

StephanieFox
04-22-2009, 05:05 AM
Yeah, the "weekend" phenomenon happens exactly the same way in Hebrew, too. Lame. Use your own language, people.

Jews invented the idea of the weekend (Jewish labor organizers who wanted to attend synagogue on Sat., the way the Christians could on Sunday), but it's American, and Modern Hebrew had no such word. I don't mind that they steal our words. English is a large, flexible and slutty language (it'll welcome any language and make it it's own.)

dmytryp
04-30-2009, 01:06 AM
Jews invented the idea of the weekend (Jewish labor organizers who wanted to attend synagogue on Sat., the way the Christians could on Sunday), but it's American, and Modern Hebrew had no such word. I don't mind that they steal our words. English is a large, flexible and slutty language (it'll welcome any language and make it it's own.)
We actually have a hebrew equivalent for the "weekend" -- סוף שבוע. Incidently, most of the americanisms have their equivalents, though many of them are not exactly used.
For example, somebody upthread mentioned sandwich. It is commonly used, but has a hebrew alternative (karich) which is also used.

ETA: Somebody speaking modern Hebrew can read the Old Testament (though parts of it are written in Arameic), but I wouldn't say it is easy to understand. Many words changed meaning. Many words, nobody knows exactly what they mean, only interpretations. There are a lot of things, like signs for a pause or the likes, are not in use today at all.

semilargeintestine
04-30-2009, 01:19 AM
Yeah, we invented the weekend. We just called it Shabbat. :D (Technically, God invented the weekend, but yeah).

You're right about not completely understanding the Tanakh using only modern Hebrew. The grammar is different as well as some of the words. You could probably get the gist of it, but not the deeper meanings. I learned Biblical first, so I don't really have that problem.

ETA: In fact, I often have the opposite problem and will insert a word or something that isn't really used anymore or the same way. I'll occasionally throw the verb at the beginning of the sentence too. I feel like it's similar to if someone started rambling in Shakespearean English.

dmytryp
04-30-2009, 10:49 AM
Yeah, we invented the weekend. We just called it Shabbat. :D (Technically, God invented the weekend, but yeah).

You're right about not completely understanding the Tanakh using only modern Hebrew. The grammar is different as well as some of the words. You could probably get the gist of it, but not the deeper meanings. I learned Biblical first, so I don't really have that problem.

ETA: In fact, I often have the opposite problem and will insert a word or something that isn't really used anymore or the same way. I'll occasionally throw the verb at the beginning of the sentence too. I feel like it's similar to if someone started rambling in Shakespearean English.
When I learned Tanach in school (granted this was only a couple of years after I repatriated), I understood maybe two thirds. And there are, of course, heaps of interpretations.

mewoone
08-08-2009, 10:14 PM
Medical terminology is made of latin and greek both dead languages.
If you consider Medical terminology a language then clergy Latin is a similar language.
But not neither Medical terminology and Latin are live languages.
Hebrew also.
As for Aramaeic it must be arabic.
The bible that is written in Arameic (new or old testament) is actually a(EAST Arameic Language) a dead language used only by Magi. it is not the same as the western sarameic language which is identical to arabic and Hebrew (Hebrew being the oldest dialect of the same language, arameic is the middle age dialect of the same language, while Arabic is the last dialect of that language.
That is why people should avoid considering gospels and bible written in the (EASTERN) Arameic language because it was a language exclusive to the magi (example of magi hartoums of Babylonia, and the Talmud).

As a native speaker of Arabic I can read the Bible (hebrew) by replacing the weird alphabet of Hebrew (called Herodian-not original alphabet any way) by Arabic alphabet. However I can not understand a word listening to Radio Israel for example!
Why?
because Ancient Hebrew is Arabic and Modern Hebrew is a compilation of Yiddish Ladino and Talmudic (eastern) Arameic languages with Biblical Hebrew lexicon that is 50% wrong because that lexicon was deciphered by Europpeans speakers of Gothic languages similar to Yiddish ( can not trust them just like you can not trust Yiddish speakers (Ben Yehuda) to decipher the Ancient Hebrew (which is Arabic ie my live first language) I d trust my self before any body like Jerome or Ben Yehuda (both Goths)


interesting information, i read once that both Arabic and Hebrew are originally from the Arabid mother language of Semitic..i see now why i could understand many words.

semilargeintestine
08-09-2009, 07:17 AM
I don't understand why people keep thinking the Bible was written in Aramaic. It was written in Hebrew.

poeticjustice_2001
01-26-2012, 05:30 AM
Haha, when I first read your post headline, my mind went to the ANCIENT Hebrew alphabet, the one that is in the back of many Hebrew to English dictionaries. It was a much earlier form of Hebrew with more primitive letters. So I was already thinking of a reply involving that very ancient language, with even stranger looking letters!



Hebrew was a dead language, and like Latin, used only in prayer or in certain words in Yiddish. How it was revived is interesting and may answer some of your questions.

http://www.malkadrucker.com/elizer.html

In Hebrew the word sandwich transliterates as sandvitch.


Hebrew was never a dead language.Unlike Latin, there have always been speakers in existence, though admittedly in small numbers. There have always been Jews in Israel, the population just dwindled down to the thousands. They wouldn't have forgotten the language only to have it appear in the 20th century.


Actually, it's not quite that simple. ;)

Biblical and modern Hebrew share quite a lot of vocabulary but the grammar and syntax structures are completely different. When I learned biblical Hebrew, there was a woman in my class who was fluent in modern Hebrew. She could generally make a good guess at the gist of the biblical Hebrew but found it hard to grasp some of the nuances of the grammar. The verb system, for example, is very complex in biblical Hebrew and has been much simplified in the modern system.

Modern and Biblical Hebrew are essentially the same language. When Ben Yehuda revised and updated the language, he was tweaking an already existing language, not inventing an entirely new from scratch. Yes, there were some grammar/syntex adjustments to allow for easier flow and of course the addition of modern words like "car", but too say they are two seperate languages just isn't correct.



I don't understand why people keep thinking the Bible was written in Aramaic. It was written in Hebrew.

Probably because the common fact circulating that Jews in the time of Jesus spoke Aremaic is confusing alot of rather uneducated people. That would be my guess :P

Rufus Coppertop
01-25-2014, 07:02 PM
Medical terminology is made of latin and greek both dead languages.Mortuas linguas fundamentum meum!



If you consider Medical terminology a language then clergy Latin is a similar language.The term is ecclesiastical Latin and a little thought about the definition of terminology should clue you in to the rather simple fact that a collection of terms derived from Latin and Greek nouns and adjectives have only one similarity with a read, written and spoken language, to whit, the nouns and adjectives.

But maybe I'd better elaborate just a bit.

A language is not just a collection of nouns and adjectives.

A language includes nouns and adjectives but does not consist solely of nouns and adjectives.

A language has verbs, adverbs and grammar and syntax. Do you comprehend the difference?


But not neither Medical terminology and Latin are live languages.Medical terminology is a set of terms derived from Latin and some Classical Greek. Latin is a language and it is not at all dead. There are people who speak Latin. Fluently. There are total immersion courses designed to teach not just the reading and writing but the speaking of Latin.

The fact that Latin is not widely spoken does not mean that it is not spoken.



Hebrew also.
As for Aramaeic it must be arabic.
The bible that is written in Arameic (new or old testament) is actually a(EAST Arameic Language) a dead language used only by Magi. it is not the same as the western sarameic language which is identical to arabic and Hebrew (Hebrew being the oldest dialect of the same language, arameic is the middle age dialect of the same language, while Arabic is the last dialect of that language.
That is why people should avoid considering gospels and bible written in the (EASTERN) Arameic language because it was a language exclusive to the magi (example of magi hartoums of Babylonia, and the Talmud).

As a native speaker of Arabic I can read the Bible (hebrew) by replacing the weird alphabet of Hebrew (called Herodian-not original alphabet any way) by Arabic alphabet. However I can not understand a word listening to Radio Israel for example!
Why?
because Ancient Hebrew is Arabic and Modern Hebrew is a compilation of Yiddish Ladino and Talmudic (eastern) Arameic languages with Biblical Hebrew lexicon that is 50% wrong because that lexicon was deciphered by Europpeans speakers of Gothic languages similar to Yiddish ( can not trust them just like you can not trust Yiddish speakers (Ben Yehuda) to decipher the Ancient Hebrew (which is Arabic ie my live first language) I d trust my self before any body like Jerome or Ben Yehuda (both Goths)Oh please! :ban

Rufus Coppertop
01-25-2014, 07:13 PM
nobody can speak Latin.

Indica mihi. Si quidam vir potest scribere sponte sententias in linguam romanarum, quid possit eum prohibere eam dicentem?


The Latin language died 1500 years ago.Really? Gosh. Maybe you'd better tell the Vatican, and the Jesuits just for starters.


the Latin spoken by liturgy in catholic churches is a written language Latin survived only as a written language.Ah no. Sorry. Wrong. It survives as a spoken and a sung language as well as a written one to this day.

Medievalist
01-25-2014, 09:03 PM
This is a thread filled with so very many linguistic and philological absurdities that it deserves to sink to the bottom of the bog.

If Richard or Calla Lily wish to resurrect it, they may, but I suspect it would require a propitiatory offering.