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Anyone know much about poisons? I need to have one character poison another. I would like something that works a little slower (like a day or two with symptoms) and could be mistaken for someother natural cause. This is a fantasy novel, so it could be a completely fictional substance, but I would like it to seem realistic. Anyone have a good resource?
 

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Shiny_Penguin said:
Anyone know much about poisons? I need to have one character poison another. I would like something that works a little slower (like a day or two with symptoms) and could be mistaken for someother natural cause. This is a fantasy novel, so it could be a completely fictional substance, but I would like it to seem realistic. Anyone have a good resource?
Laura, the seed inside the hard pit of the peach is like cyanide. It has actually been used in some cases for people with cancer in small portions. It can kill if you take too much!
 

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Just searched my library's database and they have it. I love being able to search the catalog and reserve books online!
 

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I also own the book mentioned by Navigator. Highly recommend it.
 

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XThe NavigatorX said:
I own the world's coolest book on this subject.

Deadly Doses: A Writer's Guide to Poison. It's easily the best book in that series, and I highly recommend it.
I've heard from multiple sources that while Deadly Doses is good, it contains several mistakes (which you could sidestep by confirming that the facts are as stated with the poison you've chosen). Worse news: every writer who uses poison has the same book, simply because it is good, so that agents and editors have seen its material many times.

Of course, it's what you do with it that matters. Poison away! (Okay if we use your child as my food taster?)

Maryn, ever so suspicious!
 

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The same poisons do pop up in numerous materials/books but if you started today and wrote a scene containing just one compound from just one of several well-known books you'd likely be writing on that book for decades. Or, you'd have a tech manual instead of a novel.

Posions/firearms/explosives...it's not so much what you use in the story, it's how you use it. One of my "specialites" is improvished explosive devices. I will never accurately describe the methodolgy of manufacture or identify the correct measurements/components. I will, however, mention some of the common elements if the story calls for it.

Most common example of a popular book full of errors is probably the first edition of "Anarchist Cookbook" ...full of recipes for all sorts of nasty compounds and devices, and I would suspect at least a quarter of them, if not more, are in error. Close, but no cigar. (Thankfully)

As a fiction writer who may use that book as a resource, I don't have trouble with the inaccuracies, provided the mistake isn't glaring. RE: someone describes a culture methodology for salmonella when it's actually a process for another well-known pathogen. By the same token, I don 't want to read a passge in which the hero "drops the magazine from a .357 model 66 S&W revolver and fires off another 15 rounds."

Of course, this again begs the question, "How techincal do we really want to be, anyway?"
 
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One of my "specialites" is improvished explosive devices.
Dammit, Liam, how many times do we have to tell you? No bomb-making when you've been drinking!

Maryn, who couldn't resist
 

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What about ethylene glycol? It's found in antifreeze, photographic developing solutions, etc. It's odorless and tastes sweet.

http://www.embbs.com/cr/alc/alc7.html

Apparently, it's a poisonous cousin of another substance which serves all the same purposes but isn't poisonous and is used in food. So the poisoner could claim it was an accident, that is, if the poison is even detected -- the initial symptoms are apparently somewhat flu-like, followed by congestive heart problems a day or two later, then the kidneys go.
 

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Maryn said:
Dammit, Liam, how many times do we have to tell you? No bomb-making when you've been drinking!

Maryn, who couldn't resist

*Hic...What was that, Maryn? :Cheers:
 

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Well, again this is for a fantasy book, so I may just make up my own fictional poison. BUT I wanted to find out how different poisons affect the body and what symptoms they have so it will be more realistic.
 

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For a medieval fantasy setting you might try the mushroom family. Lots of insidious little interlopers there that look just like their harmless cousins. :) Of course, if that's too cliche for you, read up on the Medicis. Here's a website for ideas, but I'd check references on it. My favorite (and one I used in a medieval fantasy story once) are poisons on coins or other hand-held objects that seep into the skin. If your character-to-be-poisoned handles something in particular every day, you might consider putting a poison on it. (Something akin to The Name of the Rose, perhaps.)

I wanted to find out how different poisons affect the body and what symptoms they have so it will be more realistic.
I have Deadly Doses as well, and use it every now and then for just this reason: to create fictional poisons by using a guide for real poisons and how they act on a body.
 

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ScottAJohnson said:
Remind me never to make any of you folks mad...:faint:

Given that I have an entire shelf devoted to forensic sciences (including a book or two on poison) and a book case filled with mysteries... if anyone ever died suspiciously in my general area I'd probably be sent up the river on general principles.

What about a poisonous plant, by the way? Hellebore or bog laurel spring to mind. It's amazing how many plants in the home are poisonous. From now on, whenever I kill a houseplant, I'll call it a preemptive strike.
 

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soloset said:
What about a poisonous plant, by the way? Hellebore or bog laurel spring to mind. It's amazing how many plants in the home are poisonous. From now on, whenever I kill a houseplant, I'll call it a preemptive strike.

I knew there was a reason I kept killing every plant I got!

I thought about plants and I think that's where I'll go. It can't be anything that would get in the system through the skin. See, the guy's son unknowingly poisons him. He is told the substance is a magic potion to bend his father's will to his own, when it is really poison.
 

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soloset said:
What about a poisonous plant, by the way?

I know a little about this...
Oleander (yes, the pretty tree) leaves, when steeped in a tea, creates a powerful seditive that, when taken in large amounts, will kill. Other common household plands that'll send you off to the pearly gates include Mountain Laurel, which will make you hallucinate toward the ending stages of death, and Datura, commonly called Angel's Trumpet. Datura itself isn't deadly, but is a powerful hallucinigen that can cause you to do some bad things to yourself. Fun times to be had by all. Also, there's the old standby that many people don't even realize they have growing in their yard...Belladonna. POWERFUL seditive from a beautiful flower. My dad grows it...
 

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soloset said:
What about ethylene glycol? It's found in antifreeze, photographic developing solutions, etc. It's odorless and tastes sweet.

http://www.embbs.com/cr/alc/alc7.html

Apparently, it's a poisonous cousin of another substance which serves all the same purposes but isn't poisonous and is used in food. So the poisoner could claim it was an accident, that is, if the poison is even detected -- the initial symptoms are apparently somewhat flu-like, followed by congestive heart problems a day or two later, then the kidneys go.

Oh, I overlooked this one somehow. This would be perfect, except there's no antifreeze, etc in this fantasy world. But those are the symptoms I wanted-- something that would mimic another cause, like the flu. I guess I could use the symptoms and not name the poison. The poisoner will not know what they heck he's giving his father anyway, just some magical potion.
 
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Shiny_Penguin said:
Oh, I overlooked this one somehow. This would be perfect, except there's no antifreeze, etc in this fantasy world. But those are the symptoms I wanted-- something that would mimic another cause, like the flu. I guess I could use the symptoms and not name the poison. The poisoner will not know what they heck he's giving his father anyway, just some magical potion.

That's what I was thinking -- it could originate just about anywhere. A frog that hibernates under ice that secretes a powerful toxin to protect itself -- or just from a simple flower or leaf.

The symptoms are what really jumped out at me for it, well, that and the fact that it's apparently sweet.
 

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Originally Posted by XThe NavigatorX
I own the world's coolest book on this subject.

Deadly Doses: A Writer's Guide to Poison. It's easily the best book in that series, and I highly recommend it.





I'll third or fourth that. I have this on my reference bookshelf.
:D Used it just today as a matter of fact. Great, great information.
 

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blowfish

You might do a little research on blowfish. I watched a movie just yesterday where poison from a blowfish was used to inject into the victim and it is supposed to cause symptoms like a heart attack. All that info from the movie. . .I'm supposing they did their research!
 
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