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Nalani Ashmore
05-03-2008, 12:36 PM
I just have to get this out and off my chest. I read HP fanfics for fun when I'm not playing WoW, outside with my dog, or trying to put my ideas out so they won't crowd my mind.

Anyway, I understand that people have their own way of writing things and are just starting to write and are still learning. But I think it goes too far. I just read a HP fanfic called LeatherDoom (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3879586/1/LeatherDoom). At first I thought, kind of cool title. Then I read it. OH SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS!!!!! Why did this have to be posted? It's hurt my head. I couldn't get through the whole fanfic, just to chapter three. I wanted to stab my eyes out so I wouldn't be able to look at it again. I even told the authoress that I didn't like her story. Here is my review.


I've read up to this point (chapter 2) and couldn't take it anymore. Harry is a pedophile; Ron is a cross dresser; Hermione is also a pedophile it seems. Listen, I understand your want to write a HP fanfic, but first you must get the facts straight. An eleven year old would never have breasts that big in the first place. Secondly, is Lilith some sort of hoe or something? I know the times change where kids are getting more likely to have sex at a younger age, but not like that. Lilith seemed to know what to do with Harry so from that I would think that she's had sex before which would probably mess her up in the first place. At that age children would be confused as to why they are feeling like that if they don't have prior knowledge of what sex is and would probably freak if someone started touching them in that way.

So I suggest is rewrite this. Thoroughly plan out your character Lilith, maybe even give her a shorter name, and look up the facts about everything.I probably sound like a b**ch when I posted this but I really didn't mean any harm by it. I probably could have worded that whole review better. This was the person's response to a stupid story I had posted up a while ago that me and a friend, Bryan, for an English assignment. I'll even admit that my one chapter story sucks to high heaven. But this just pissed me off.

This just kind of shows how immature she is. I think after reading my review she just went to my page and didn't even read the summary about how it was a English project and left this stupid review of her own.

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It just makes me mad. I'm not a prude by any means, but when they mutilate J.K. Rowling's work in this way, then I have to say something. I'll admit that when I was younger I made Mary Sue's and Gary Stu's, but that stopped. I just seems that more and more people make these character's that have no meaning. I'm not against original characters added to stories, but they shouldn't be perfect. Perfection is non existent in the real world and even on stories.

Anyway, what my problem with this story is that the main character, Lilith LeatherDoom Carmilla Elegia Caligula, daughter of Elrod of Lord of the Rings, future lover of Legolas, heart throb of Hogwarts, is a first year, meaning that she is eleven years old, but seems to know a lot about sex since she's also half Veela, half elf, and half nymph. What the frakk kind of fraction is that?! I would understand is she was 1/4 Veela, 1/4 elf, and 1/4 nymph with the rest being human, that would make sense...a little. What she failed to think about is that even if her character was considered an adult in whatever society she comes from would she really be permitted into Hogwarts? She would be much older than everybody else since there really isn't any mythos on how, and if, nymph's die. Veela have lifespans like humans and an Elves aging is much longer than a humans. So what the frakk? Enough of that part. I also have a problem with the fact that an eleven year old has bigger breasts than I do and I'm twenty, but has the libido of a nymphomaniac

I know I ranted, but I had to let this out and get opinions on what the frakk is happening to the sanctum of fanfiction writing? I know some people don't like fanfiction because they do the same thing I'm complaining about, but I see it as a chance for younger authors to practice writing. I just draw the line at what this girls doing.


I'm not even sure if this is the right place to put this, but I just had to let this all out before I started snapping at people tomorrow. On a brighter note I leave this little tidbit for Willowmound and all other who don't like purple prose.

If this is in the wrong place and goes against the TOS, then I'm sorry. You can take it down I don't mind. I just need to rant for a bit.

JJ Cooper
05-03-2008, 12:54 PM
Never understood the fanfic thing. Do authors find them flattering, annoying, painful etc?

I think I would get annoyed if someone took my books and did a fanfic from them. Only because they may potentially take an idea that I had for the next book.

JJ

Exir
05-03-2008, 12:57 PM
Nalani: How can a person write that fan-fic and claim to be the fan of the books?

Nalani Ashmore
05-03-2008, 01:08 PM
Exir: I don't know, it's just wrong though.

JJ Copper: I would think that if well written the author would be flattered at the alternate twists that the fan has thought up that they, the author, hadn't even thought of. They would be in pain and disgusted, maybe even heartbroken, that fanfics like LeatherDoom was thought up by someone. I read fanfiction because the fans think outside of the world that the original author set and either adds things that are explainable or giving it an alternate universe twist to it. I, on the other hand, would kind of feel honored that people loved what I wrote enough to write fanfiction in their own view. Though I would be devastated if I read something like that. But if the authors don't see a problem with it then I see nothing wrong since they haven't complained about it yet.

Phaeal
05-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Fanfiction is full of vapidly pornographic takes on the originals, and the HP fandom seems to be one of the worst. I think there's an adolescent I-can-outdo-you game going on to see who can be the most "shocking." Yawn.

The best thing to do is to ignore these pathetic attempts to provoke controversy, which seems to be what most imitated authors are doing.

HeronW
05-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Fanfic is written by fans for many reasons.

They have the characters go into new situations, do ubers--moving the character prototypes into alternate worlds/times/etc, and change a lot.

Not everyone will be pleased with the changes--just because the old saw: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery says so, doesn't make the resulting effort something that does justice to the original author's intent.

I've done Xena fanfic as an exercise in changing what I've seen on shows and read from other fanfic. I've always used credits and disclaimers before my stories. Some other writers can't spell, or know how to insert a line space between paragraphs, others have a 4th grade boring plodding layout, still another can't get off the stick of smut for any length of time--we called those: pwp (plot? what plot?)stories.

The only one who should really be insulted or aggrieved is Ms Rowling--if someone is making $ off her creations. Then it's plagerism.

Nalani Ashmore
05-03-2008, 04:41 PM
Phaeal: I agree that most HP fanfics can be pornographic in nature, but some are well written while some are not. I will give someone a chance by reading what they have written already, but with LeatherDoom I couldn't get past the the first two 'chapters' to even consider giving this fanfic another look through. It's so cliche and the Mary Sue is so obvious that it's almost painful. She's probably just starting out writing or something and I respect, but what she wrote just is bordering on crazy. Lilith is an eleven year old monster veela, nymph, elf hybrid that should be, if she wer a real person, strapped into a straight jacket and never see the light of day.

mscelina
05-03-2008, 04:56 PM
:ROFL:

"...her magnificent 32DD breasts..."

:roll:

ah, the powers of description live.

Rolling Thunder
05-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Phaeal: I agree that most HP fanfics can be pornographic in nature, but some are well written while some are not. I will give someone a chance by reading what they have written already, but with LeatherDoom I couldn't get past the the first two 'chapters' to even consider giving this fanfic another look through. It's so cliche and the Mary Sue is so obvious that it's almost painful. She's probably just starting out writing or something and I respect, but what she wrote just is bordering on crazy. Lilith is an eleven year old monster veela, nymph, elf hybrid that should be, if she wer a real person, strapped into a straight jacket and never see the light of day.

No no no; you have your math -all- wrong:


Lilith was half veela, half elvish, and half nymph. :D

My suggestion is, if you don't like a written work, don't continue to read it. Eventually, these things are swallowed up in the abyss of the internet

Nalani Ashmore
05-03-2008, 05:02 PM
mscelina: I don't think she even realize just how big those puppies would be. If ya read the actual fanfic, you'd probably want to scratch your eyes out or laugh yourself to death.

Rolling Thunder: How is my math wrong? If it is then it's normal for me since my math skills are not that great.

mscelina
05-03-2008, 05:07 PM
pssst! nalani--I think he was having a bit of fun with you. Just sayin'...

DonnaDuck
05-03-2008, 05:37 PM
Wow. We have an eleven year old that's consumed way too much chicken.

My advise, stop worrying about it. There's no point because fanfic writers like that won't change, especially when they have eleventy billion reviews stating how amazing it is. Ur gust gelus, k? OMG ur riting sux nd ur gust gelus ov myn.

Really, not worth it. Focus your energy on something more productive otherwise you'll be pretty pissed getting an aneurysm over a Suethor.

As for fanfic itself, I know with HP Rowling encourages it but she doesn't condone slash or smut or any of that. Doesn't stop people from writing it but what are you going to do? I do like fanfiction but I read very little of it because the vast majority of it, especially in the fandom I'm in, turns into rampant orgies and emasculating vampires. I would be flattered if people wanted to write derivative works of my stories but if they did something with my characters that's so far off base they're in the next county, I'd cringe. But it's like free speech. It's an all or nothing deal. There just isn't a way to keep people from writing fanfic the author doesn't want written so you either allow it and take the good with the bad or don't and go Anne Rice on people when it's actually found.

Ol' Fashioned Girl
05-03-2008, 06:12 PM
I believe he's saying you can't be half veela, half elvish, and half nymph. That would be three halves.

If I'm wrong, RT'll turn my avatar into something unnatural. :)

Marian Perera
05-03-2008, 06:38 PM
Fanfiction is full of vapidly pornographic takes on the originals, and the HP fandom seems to be one of the worst.

Too true. I lurk on the Godawful Fan Fiction forums, and each time I think I've seen the most grotesque, unbelievable, half-witted take on HP, another fanfic comes along and proves me wrong.

robeiae
05-03-2008, 06:41 PM
:ROFL:

"...her magnificent 32DD breasts..."

:roll:

ah, the powers of description live.
Uhhh...is it illustrated?

BlueLucario
05-03-2008, 06:51 PM
Anyway, I understand that people have their own way of writing things and are just starting to write and are still learning. But I think it goes too far. I just read a HP fanfic called LeatherDoom (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3879586/1/LeatherDoom). At first I thought, kind of cool title. Then I read it. OH SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS!!!!! Why did this have to be posted? It's hurt my head. I couldn't get through the whole fanfic, just to chapter three. I wanted to stab my eyes out so I wouldn't be able to look at it again. I even told the authoress that I didn't like her story. Here is my review.


It's a fanfic. What do you expect? You just gave feedback that the writer didn't even want to hear?(That's to be expected from fanfic writers.) That made you mad.



HortensiaDionysius wrote this:
Wow, you hate my sotry? Well, this really sucks. What the hell? I could only
read the first paragraph, and then I had to stop. At least my characters love
each other. Yours are just stupid and screwed up. Zombies? Like, what the
hell? I think you should rehtink your plot before you diss mine. Wow, this
story SUCK!

I get this kind of feedback all the time, usually after I pick at grammar. Reminds me of the time on urbis, I critiqued this guy's fantasy piece, and it had a crapload of spelling errors and run on sentencing. I pointed that out to him and just that. And he was like, "hey dude, you're fired, how dare you diss my work and ruin my rep." He blocked me before I had a chance to reason with him. He unblocked me and gave me a 400 word critique, (which cost me over 600 credits to open, I worked my ass off critiquing other people's work for over 50 credits each to get that high) lecturing me on run on sentences(his story was chuck-full of them) on the first sentence of my piece. Try to guess how I felt. I called him a selfish, childish, pompous jerk. (He's 45, and I'm 18, he behaves like a brat) I reported it to the admins, and his review got removed. And I was also pissed that mine got removed and I lost 298 credits because my critique did not follow the guidelines.(I'm pissed because I added constructive criticism. I critiqued him on his grammar and run-on sentencing.)


(What pisses me off, the admins took away my 298 credits that I earned from that piece. No fair!!:rant:)

My advice, give the girl the finger and move on, don't waste your time on losers like that, especially those who expect ego-stroking feedback.

I'm done with my tedious soap box.

ChaosTitan
05-03-2008, 07:24 PM
My advice, give the girl the finger and move on, don't waste your time on losers like that, especially those who expect ego-stroking feedback.


Slightly better advice would be to take the high road and simply ignore the writer's stories. Giving her the finger exhibits the same sort of childish behavior that the fic writer showed when she negatively reviewed the OP's story.

Sage
05-03-2008, 07:46 PM
Always remember that fanfic is like any slushpile except that it's mostly available to the public. I'm sure many agents or editors would have stories of mss they received that were just like that (minus the HP characters, one would hope). I've only ever read fanfic that either was written by a friend, recommended by someone I know to be intelligent ;), or on a site where I had just read one that was recommended to me and the description of the story caught my eye. So I've only read one that I thought really sucked, and I just stopped reading it.

maestrowork
05-03-2008, 08:16 PM
I'm going to write a fanfic of hot, sexy brotherly love between Mickey and Donald. Don't stop me!

Marian Perera
05-03-2008, 08:21 PM
How could a mouse and a duck be brothers?

You know a person is inured to bad fanfic when that's their first question.

choppersmom
05-03-2008, 08:40 PM
I'm going to write a fanfic of hot, sexy brotherly love between Mickey and Donald. Don't stop me!

LOL, I seem to recall someone on another forum somewhere describing his or her WIP, which was an alternate Sherlock Holmes, where Holmes and Watson are lovers. "Squicked" doesn't even touch how I feel about that.

maxmordon
05-03-2008, 09:07 PM
Here there is a hilarious take on HP Facfic:

http://piratemonkeysinc.com/ms1.htm

Zelenka
05-03-2008, 09:14 PM
I used to read a lot of fanfiction and I have to say I've seen much, much worse. I find the best way to avoid high blood pressue is to laugh it off and ignore it. I've seen too many of my friends take this stuff seriously and get into all sorts of flame wars over it. I need my writing time too badly to waste hours on that sort of thing.

BlueLucario
05-03-2008, 11:40 PM
How could a mouse and a duck be brothers?

You know a person is inured to bad fanfic when that's their first question.

Good one!:roll:

AZ_Dawn
05-04-2008, 12:04 AM
The price of fame: people write gosh-awful, canon-killing, character-twisting "fan" fiction based on your stories. :eek:

I don't read fanfiction, but I go to a few Mary Sue/badfic sporking site for fun and as an alternative to self-mutilation. I don't read the spork proper; just the basic stats and the comments. It's scary knowing exactly what future "fans" are going to do with my characters, even down to the possible shippings.:scared:

BlueLucario
05-04-2008, 12:06 AM
Here's a fanfic idea.

Dumbeldore gone wild!

BenPanced
05-04-2008, 12:15 AM
Here's a fanfic idea.

Dumbeldore gone wild!
Been there, done that, got a case of the heebie-jeebies. (I used to be in a LiveJournal community about HP fanfic.)

Nalani Ashmore
05-04-2008, 12:40 AM
Wow! I didn't think this many people would reply. Anyway, she replied back and I had to laugh my ass off. She is obviously on some sort of medication since I could barely read what she had written. I replied with a very confused, "What?" Anyway, I've played WoW and Final Fantasy XII to let off the steam and I'm fine now. Just read the TOS of the site and reported it. It seems that others have disliked the fanfic just as much as I do have reported her story, yet nothing has happened to it. I guess FF.net favors extreme smut, Mary Sue fanfiction.

maxmordon: I love that mini comic. It's so true too. Half cat girl, eye color changing Mary Sue's are all true.

DonnaDuck: What's wrong with eating a lot of chicken?

BlueLucario: *shudders* please don't say that again. That's just creepy.

I like this take on Mary Sues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldDpr02g-TM)

DonnaDuck
05-04-2008, 12:44 AM
It's thought that one of the reasons girls are hitting puberty so much younger is because of all of the hormones injected in your meat supply, one of them being estrogen in chicken. Would explain big boobies on an eleven year old.

And I'm convinced there aren't actual people working on ff.net. They have no many rules in place that are broken it's ridiculous. I honestly think they don't give a shit or did at one point but it's grown beyond what they can handle and just work the mechanics and that's it. They're not supposed to have songfics on there due to legal issues but they do. They don't allow fics about real people yet there are sections dedicated to them. It's backwards.

BlueLucario
05-04-2008, 12:55 AM
BlueLucario: *shudders* please don't say that again. That's just creepy.



Okay then, Hagrid gone wild.


I'm glad to hear that everything's solved.

Nalani Ashmore
05-04-2008, 01:38 AM
BlueLucario: That's just mean....and creepy. And I too am glad that this is over with too. I was getting a head ache from it all.

EriRae
05-04-2008, 02:58 AM
WOW. That's all I can say. I suppose everyone starts somewhere, but 32DD 11 year olds? EW.

*goes off to eat some chicken, perchance to grow some boobies* Does that still work at 30?

BlueLucario
05-04-2008, 03:28 AM
BlueLucario: That's just mean....and creepy. And I too am glad that this is over with too. I was getting a head ache from it all.

Aren't we all? And yeah, I got a lot more up my sleeve and I'm not afraid to use em.

Zelenka
05-04-2008, 03:48 AM
Okay then, Hagrid gone wild.


Seen that too, unfortunately. There is even an infamous story involving the giant squid in the Black Lake. I don't think there is anything so strange that fanfiction hasn't tackled it.

WittyandorIronic
05-04-2008, 04:32 AM
BEST fanfiction ever...well, the only one I have ever actually read. :) It was a journal by Anita Blake (LKH Series) in which she didn't turn stupid and sleazy. Totally awesome.

BenPanced
05-04-2008, 04:33 AM
Seen that too, unfortunately. There is even an infamous story involving the giant squid in the Black Lake. I don't think there is anything so strange that fanfiction hasn't tackled it.
One of the better ones (okay, okay, relative term) I've seen was a fanfic where Hermione was actually...Hannah Montana.

No. I take that back. One of the better ones was Harry meeting the Pussycat Dolls.

On second thought, Hermione working in the bar in Coyote Ugly was one of the better ones.

No, no, Harry turning out to be Anne Rice's Lestat was one of the better ones.

No, actually...*smek*...I have this sudden urge to stop now.

EriRae
05-04-2008, 05:43 AM
One of the better ones (okay, okay, relative term) I've seen was a fanfic where Hermione was actually...Hannah Montana.

No. I take that back. One of the better ones was Harry meeting the Pussycat Dolls.

On second thought, Hermione working in the bar in Coyote Ugly was one of the better ones.

No, no, Harry turning out to be Anne Rice's Lestat was one of the better ones.

No, actually...*smek*...I have this sudden urge to stop now.

You wrote those, didn't you Ben. Shameless self promotion. Shameless. :D

Nalani Ashmore
05-04-2008, 09:51 AM
LOL! Ya'll crack me up!

WittyandorIronic: Where did you read that fanfiction? I would like to read an alternate version of the books. If you don't remember I'll just look around for it. I will admit that at first Anita Blake started out as a great character, then I stop reading for a while and find out later that Anita has become a slut and has more power than God him/itself and more groupies than a rock band. It's just sad that fanfiction and some fiction has fallen so far from the original design.

Nalani Ashmore
05-04-2008, 01:39 PM
nerdsRus: My friend Amy is probably a mid D-cup and those are giving her back problems. Just imagine what a 32DD would do to a person. Though I have seen a image for a porn movie where the female is some of the biggest boobs I've ever seen and I'm wondering how she functions with those in the way. Then a really funny thought wiggled it's way into my strange mind forest and I just had to laugh. You know the saying about gravity? 'What goes up must come down.' With that I thought of the woman as an old lady with her boobs sagging to the ground and stepping on them all the time.

I'm very strange so that was probably only funny to me.

Claudia Gray
05-04-2008, 06:09 PM
Fanfic: 99% of fanfic is crap. Of course, 99% of all fiction is crap. You can't judge from the worst.

Boobs: I'm a 34DD and my back is just fine. Cup size only indicates how much larger your breasts are than your rib cage. If you happen to have an extremely narrow rib cage (like me), you can have a DD cup measurement without actually having enormous breasts. Though I doubt the original writer of the fanfic was thinking so precisely about it --

BlueLucario
05-04-2008, 07:56 PM
There is even an infamous story involving the giant squid in the Black Lake.

Okay, how about Davy Jones(Pirates Fanfic) gone wild? :ROFL:

Nalani Ashmore
05-05-2008, 03:19 AM
ClaudiaGray: I never would have thought about how it was in proportion with how narrow or wide your rib cage was. I guess you do learn something new everyday. I guess I should tell Amy this factoid. But in regards to your reply about fanfiction. Yes, I have read many a fanfic and out of all of them only a few were better than the actual books. I just wonder why they don't write professionally instead of writing fanfiction. It's a good thing to find a diamond in the rough when it comes to fanfics.

Bartholomew
05-05-2008, 10:43 AM
Stay tuned for my upcoming fanfic, "Harry Potter and the Swedish Bikini Team's PPV Event."

But seriously, it sounds like you've picked a fight with a child. Ignore it. Would you pay a ten year old any mind in person? Why so over the web?

Drasheny
05-05-2008, 10:49 PM
I have mixed opinions on fanfic. I'm a HP fan. I had a bad-ass Tonks avatar on another site for awhile. And I've read some HP fanfic for amusement over the years.

The thing about fanfic on the internet is that most of it is written by kids/amateurs. Of course it's bad. You can't judge such "writers" by their story's badness. They aren't really writers at all. They're just having daydreams on screen. There's nothing wrong with a 16-year-old fantasizing about Harry and Ginny on their wedding night or something. Whatever. Actually, I think it's the sign of a fertile imagination. (Often mixed with a good dose of libido. But, when you're sixteen, what isn't?) Good writers know how to separate such silliness from the good ideas that will actually lead somewhere.

But, ironically, if you happen to stumble across a fanfic that's somewhat good, that just makes the situation more sad. I believe, if you're a good enough writer to write "good" fanfic, you're wasting your time. You should start writing your own material.

In fact, I've heard some writers who believe that the very concept of fan-fiction is plagerism and immoral.They equate their characters and ideas with their children. If you write fan-fiction with their characters or worlds, you might as well be messing with their children. I think this position is a little extreme myself.

However, Nalani, I'm surprised, if you consider yourself such a connoisseur of HP fanfic (the "sanctum of fanfic writing," I believe you said) that you're shocked you came across something like this. I mean, isn't there even a term for smutty fanfic? I think it's called "slash." In fact, aren't there even "sub-genres" of HP slash? Weasley-cest, anyone?

I mean, to go beyond just reading bad fanfic for amusement to reviewing it. Even being offended by it. Yikes.

ChaosTitan
05-05-2008, 11:15 PM
I believe, if you're a good enough writer to write "good" fanfic, you're wasting your time. You should start writing your own material.


And some of us have done just that. ;)

BlueLucario
05-05-2008, 11:52 PM
My next fanfic will be based on Pirates of the Carribean. It's called The Shexy Adventures of Davy Jones!
(Nude pics and sex scenes included.)

Coming soon to fanfic site near you.

Rated PG-13

AZ_Dawn
05-06-2008, 12:16 AM
My next fanfic will be based on Pirates of the Carribean. It's called The Shexy Adventures of Davy Jones!
(Nude pics and sex scenes included.)

Coming soon to fanfic site near you.

Rated PG-13
:eek: Stop! You'll scare me out of writing pirate tales!

Seriously, I know you're joking, and I'm joking above. But real deal fanfic like this is one of the reasons I wonder if I should go Anne Rice on fanfiction after I get published or lurk on the sporking sites and point and laugh at the bad stuff.

BlueLucario
05-06-2008, 02:55 AM
:eek: Stop! You'll scare me out of writing pirate tales!

Seriously, I know you're joking, and I'm joking above. But real deal fanfic like this is one of the reasons I wonder if I should go Anne Rice on fanfiction after I get published or lurk on the sporking sites and point and laugh at the bad stuff.

Okay, I'll stop. :) If that's what you want.(I got carried away didn't I?)

Nalani Ashmore
05-06-2008, 05:32 AM
Drasheny: I'm not an expert on HP fanfics and it's not so much as shocked is that I'm scared for that person's sanity and the people around them. I just remember when it meant something to write quality fanfics, as odd as that sounds. Now, it's just groupies that think their the stuff. I read fanfiction by if the summary pulls me in and the word count mainly. Smut fanfiction is just smut fanfiction. Slash involves two people of the same gender getting together. I was also over exagerating about the 'sanctum of fanfiction writing.' I guess as the times change so should I, but every eleven year old and their little cousin that have seen Daniel Radcliff's penis is wanting to write about it.

Zelenka
05-06-2008, 05:49 AM
Drasheny: I'm not an expert on HP fanfics and it's not so much as shocked is that I'm scared for that person's sanity and the people around them. I just remember when it meant something to write quality fanfics, as odd as that sounds. Now, it's just groupies that think their the stuff. I read fanfiction by if the summary pulls me in and the word count mainly. Smut fanfiction is just smut fanfiction. Slash involves two people of the same gender getting together. I was also over exagerating about the 'sanctum of fanfiction writing.' I guess as the times change so should I, but every eleven year old and their little cousin that have seen Daniel Radcliff's penis is wanting to write about it.

I think the internet's contributed in a big way to the trends in fanfiction at the moment. I'm showing my age here but when I first started writing and did dabble in fanfiction a bit, the only place you could show others that work would be through fanzines produced by the appreciation societies for the relevant show / book / person. Only a few of these were published, as obviously it costs to put together these things and more effort is involved in typing something out, printing it, sending a covering letter etc and in putting a zine together than just submitting something to the internet. I would imagine because of those limitations the majority of those involved in writing fan fiction would've been older too.

Nowadays anyone can uplaod stuff, and Fanfiction.net is particularly notorious for the quality (or lack of same) of the stories placed there. That's not to say that there aren't writers of quality involved in it somewhere, but before the internet, you really had to be into your fandom to go to the effort to join a society and submit stuff.

MacAllister
05-06-2008, 06:00 AM
My introduction to fanfic (I'd never even heard of it) was here (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/005871.html), at Making Light (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/):
Fanfic online venues are full of writers and readers who really want there to be more stories about whatever it is that floats their boat, and who’ll work to help make it happen. That’s why those areas are such hot R&D labs for writerly craft and literary theory. This is not unlike the early days of science fiction, when you had that same deep hunger for the product, and a community of writers and readers who’d give a strongly engaged reading to whatever was there, but who passionately wanted what was there to be better. SF developed its own bag of tricks, mostly expository techniques and worldbuilding, which serious historical fiction snaffled early on, but which mainstream lit is only gradually getting around to stealing.

Is it going too far to formulate this as a rule of thumb? Very likely, but I’ll try one anyway: New ways of telling stories develop most readily when you have a population that’s hungry for the product, the creators have little or no dignity at stake, and there are open channels for feedback and discussion. The American comic book developed like that. So did Kabuki, Bunraku, and Elizabethan theatre.

Which took me here (http://ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com/325780.html), to Ellen Fremedon's livejournal (http://ellen-fremedon.livejournal.com/) (And I'd later meet both of them in person, attending Viable Paradise (http://www.sff.net/paradise/), but that's a different story):


Yeah, well. I've just been reading a story that threw me right back there. janecarnall's MirrorM*A*S*H WiP. (link removed, because it's no longer working)

It's the Mirror Universe from Star Trek. Only with M*A*S*H. And BJ is the colonel and he has a Mirror-Spockian goatee and the corresponding scary-badass manner. And there are slaves. And Hawkeye buys one away from a brothel, on a whim.

And it's Father Mulcahy. From our universe.

And it's THE MOST CRACKTASTIC THING EVAR, but... it works, in this supremely creepy sick-and-wrong immensely compelling way.

And it got me thinking.

And there are certainly a lot of negative things, of course, that can be said about fanfic in general -- or any other kind of fiction, honestly.

But pretty much, as far as I can see, TNH --a far better and more articulate writer than I -- said something quite profound, here (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/007459.html#121781):

Storytelling is basic to our species. It's one of the ways we parse our experience of the universe. Whatever moves us or matters to us will show up in the stories we tell, whether or not we have a socially approved outlet for those stories. It might surprise you to find out how many writers have works of personal erotica tucked away in their unpublished-or-unpublishable manuscript trunks. There's no good way to get those published, but they write them anyway, because they're writers, and eroticism is an important part of our lives.

Good fiction gets under our skin. It can change the way we see the world. But whatever its effect, it's a significant experience. It would be a bizarre thing -- unnatural, even -- for writers to not engage with that experience. They always have. I could show you stuff centuries old -- heck, some of it's millennias old -- that's fanfic by any modern definition.

Of course, it would have to be a modern definition. In a purely literary sense, fanfic doesn't exist. There is only fiction. Fanfic is a legal category created by the modern system of trademarks and copyrights. Putting that label on a work of fiction says nothing about its quality, its creativity, or the intent of the writer who created it.

The Pulitzer Prize for Fiction this year went to March, a novel by Geraldine Brooks, published by Viking. It's a re-imagining of the life of the father of the four March girls in Louisa May Alcott's Little Women. Can you see a particle of difference between that and a work of declared fanfiction? I can't. I can only see two differences: first, Louisa May Alcott is out of copyright; and second, Louisa May Alcott, Geraldine Brooks, and Viking are dreadfully respectable.

I'm just a tad cynical about authors who rage against fanfic. Their own work may be original to them, but even if their writing is so outre that it's barely readable, they'll still be using tropes and techniques and conventions they picked up from other writers. We have a system that counts some borrowings as legitimate, others as illegitimate. They stick with the legit sort, but they're still writing out of and into the shared web of literature. They're not so different as all that.

Fanfic means someone cares about what you wrote.

Personally, I'm convinced that the legends of the Holy Grail are fanfic about the Eucharist.

This really is a basic impulse.

maestrowork
05-06-2008, 06:29 AM
Mac has a good point. Yes, there are some really awful stuff out there but we can say that about anything, even original fiction. Good "fanfic" can just be as rewarding. I mean, Wicked is, by definition, a fanfic. Wonderfully written, and hugely successful.

Of course, there's the copyright issue. It helps that The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is in public domain.

nybx4life
05-06-2008, 06:37 AM
Well, that's how the author of the fanfic wanted to put it, then let them.
I mean, not that I'm condoning anything, but if they just so happened to put an erotica HP fanfic up, and you read it, and don't want to read it no more, it doesn't mean that it's messed up.

General idea I've learned from sharing my own work: Not everybody is going to like somebody's work. If to one person that author's fanfic is better than the original HP itself, and to you it's messed up, that's your opinion, no matter how gross it turns out to be.

A. J. Luxton
05-06-2008, 01:35 PM
...er, has no one else guessed yet that this sounds like a parody?

If the name of the character didn't clinch it, the three halves totally did for me.

DonnaDuck
05-07-2008, 02:37 AM
Unfortunately, in my experience, very few outrageous stories are like that purposely. They'll usually say they are and considering the reaction of the author, I highly doubt it.

nybx4life
05-07-2008, 03:08 AM
But, I just need to ask:

Has anybody here ever seen hentai?

Okay, that's anime porn. Now, from what I've seen of it(only unintentionally from bad nights where I just couldn't sleep to watch my bro watching it), it goes worse than what you've read of that fanfic.

But on to other things: It sounds like a crazy stylized "What If?" version of HP.

A. J. Luxton
05-07-2008, 07:32 AM
...it's common for mary sues to be half something / half something else. (I should know. I had several like that when I was a teenager. Cringe.)

Every time I've seen someone say "half something, half something else AND half etc" it's been a parody. Every single time.

Edit: Okay, I just actually read the thing to be sure, and... More telltales: Character's father is Elrond. "Isn't that a cool name?" aside to reader. Words "bosoms" and "manstick" are used. Begins on looking in mirror and describing outfits.

Danger Jane
07-25-2008, 03:55 AM
Mac's got a great point. One of my favorite books is Wide Sargasso Sea by Jean Rhys--at its core, fanfiction about how the madwoman in the attic of Jane Eyre came to be there.



On the other hand, some things are just funny, and THIS (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2828044/1/My_Immortal) by Goffick Gurl is just about the funniest thing I've ever found on the intertubez. Hi, my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and fur da rest a dis stry I'm neva gon spell right again*. Fangz! (Geddit cuz im goffick?)

*This includes the MC's name, which will henceforth be spelled "Enoby".

Most of the story is written in the strangled internet English in the author's note at the top of the page. Harry is a vampire named Vampire, Draco is Gerard Way reincarnated at the same time, Lupin and Snape take pictures of our heroine while she's dressing in her black velvet panties.

Yes, black velvet panties.

Hillary
07-25-2008, 04:05 AM
On the other hand, some things are just funny, and THIS (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2828044/1/My_Immortal) by Goffick Gurl is just about the funniest thing I've ever found on the intertubez. Hi, my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and fur da rest a dis stry I'm neva gon spell right again*. Fangz! (Geddit cuz im goffick?)

*This includes the MC's name, which will henceforth be spelled "Enoby".

Most of the story is written in the strangled internet English in the author's note at the top of the page. Harry is a vampire named Vampire, Draco is Gerard Way reincarnated at the same time, Lupin and Snape take pictures of our heroine while she's dressing in her black velvet panties.

Yes, black velvet panties.

Damn! Danger beat me to promoting the brilliance that is Goffik Gurl. (Those were the days in ORPCC, man... Those were the days...)

Srlsy, that fanfic is so horrifying, it's brilliant.

That said, I used to be an accredited beta reader for Perfect Imagination. Why? I loved Harry Potter and I have the kind of memory that permits me to tell fanfic authors "Nope, sorry, fir trees are never specifically mentioned as growing in the Forbidden Forest. May I suggest oak?"

However, the day I found myself adding "Sorry, but I will not read stories containing non-human sexual contact or twincest" to my profile, I had to take a step back. In all the time I beta-read HP fanfic, I had one good author. And I considered myself lucky. In fact, I've only ever read good HP fanfic by two authors.

The internet is kind of evil. I haven't beta read HP fics in QUITE some time.

Melenka
07-25-2008, 10:10 AM
I don't know what it is about HP (besides sales numbers - duh) that inspires such a vast amount of squick-laden fan fiction. Some pairings and story lines simply should. not. be. The one you cite seems to be among them.

I have no problem with fan fic in general. Some of it is shockingly good. So good I wondered why the authors don't write original fic. So I asked one of my friends who writes it and she said "It gives me a chance to play with words without having to worry about publication. Mostly, it just makes me happy." But after a couple of years of writing novel length ff, I think she's seriously contemplating writing an original novel. With my luck (and her amazing gift) she will probably get published before I do.

Nakhlasmoke
07-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Hahah reading this thread makes me laugh.

I suddenly feel like what I take completely as normal is seen as really weird by loads of people, and I'm not even involved in fandom at all.

Do people not get that fan-fiction is just the written equivalent of when kids used to play with ken and barbie and make them do dodgy things? It's really nothing more than that.

If ever I'm published, and people fic my work I'll be flattered. I won't read any of it, but I give future fans the green light to do whatever they want to my characters in their stories, no matter how perverse it may be.