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VGrossack
04-23-2008, 09:29 AM
A Mary Sue, if I understand it, is a bland character who does everything right. Is there an expression for a villain who is so consistently evil to the point of boredom?

Lccorp2
04-23-2008, 10:03 AM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawfulStupidChaoticStupid

I think this may be what you're looking for.

Birol
04-23-2008, 10:18 AM
A stereotype? A cliche? A two-dimensional character?

VGrossack
04-23-2008, 10:26 AM
A stereotypical villain, who is so one-dimensional as to be boring. Is there a phrase for that? I guess it would be Mary Sue's evil twin...

JeanneTGC
04-23-2008, 10:43 AM
Dr. Evil

Kujai
04-23-2008, 11:26 AM
If a ‘Mary Sue’ character, as by your definition, always succeeds, then would not the opposite of a ‘Mary Sue’, an ‘Anti-Sue’, be someone who always fails?

For instance an Anti-Sue, if contrasting via your definition of a Mary Sue VGROSSAK, would be someone who is not faultless, infallible, predictable, idealized or one dimensional. The epitome Anti-Sueness would be someone who constantly makes mistakes, has tedious flaws, and has an unorthodox personality with three dimensions. In addition one could say that an Anti-Sue is someone who has fundamental human characteristics instilled in their persona, thus causing them to have bad luck with fate, meaning that an Anti-Sue has practically a zero percent chance of conjuring up a Dues ex machine. To put it simple time and effort would be used to complete even the most basic of tasks. So in order to create an Anti-Sue antagonist, realism is needed to make the character believable, thus eliminating the Mary from Sue.

To answer your other question, ‘a villain who is so consistently evil to the point of boredom,’ I would probably say that…that it’s a Devil-Sue…?

VGrossack
04-23-2008, 11:29 AM
Of course, there are several dimensions lending themselves to the definition of "opposite". I like the "Devil Sue."

Phaeal
04-23-2008, 05:33 PM
A Mary Sue, if I understand it, is a bland character who does everything right. Is there an expression for a villain who is so consistently evil to the point of boredom?

Voldemort.

:e2sling:

Oh, all right, he is at least endearingly stupid in most of the people he hires.

WittyandorIronic
04-23-2008, 06:34 PM
Oooh... ooh. I know!! A Lawyer!
Heh... sorry. Couldn't resist.

I think a perfect evil would be just as obnoxious. I prefer a villain that I can disagree with, but can understand on some level. So... if you are looking for a term, then maybe a Dr. Mary Volde-skel-hitl-sue? Or Devil Sue... that works too.

BTW Lccopr2, Mother Theresa eating babies....I just about snorted coffee all over my laptop. lmao. nice link.