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Old 02-10-2006, 10:06 AM   #126
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I heard recently from two clients who'd turned her down because of the huge "retainer" ($3,200) and subsequently got an offer to let them pay on an installment plan.
It's Dorothy Deering all over again.
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Old 02-17-2006, 09:23 PM   #127
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I'm trying to get more information on why agent Cris Robin is considered a scam artist. I just got off the phone with her. She wants to represent me -- she was one of a group of agents I solicited -- but now I am aware of many complaints against her, beginning with her practice of charging a $3,250 retainer.

I have a bad feeling about her agency.

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I'd say the information about the $3,250 is all you need to know.
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Hi Michael.

Here's a whole thread about the Robins Agency. Is this the same company?

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No legitimate agent charges a retainer. They get paid when you get paid. Do not pay anyone to represent you, or publish you. It's bad business.
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FYI: This agency has been named one of Writer Beware's 20 Worst Agents/Agencies.
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I sent a query letter and 3 chapters to Cris Robins via the form on the "agency's" website. Yes, I'm a newbie hunting for an agent.I should've taken a clue from the "clients" page as they were all books that were being shopped around and not actually sold. <sigh> Well, now I know what to say if she calls.

And in the meantime, I've got to scour this list for the other agents I was thinking about submitting to.

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Better a close shave than to be scalped.

If you haven't already, check out the rest of your agent list with P&E http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/ before querying.
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Old 03-23-2006, 07:28 AM   #134
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I'll not being quiet any longer.
Cris Robins here.

For years I’ve sat back, quietly, and listened to Ann Crispin and Victoria Straus and even the Preditors & Editors page say how they’ve had all these complaints about us; how we are not recommended; how we do this wrong and that wrong.

So, I’m wondering why is it then, when presented with a sterling opportunity to bring all these so-called complaints to light, when the rubber hits the road and the chance to really put a sword in our hearts and potentially prove all their claims, do they back down? When they are in a position of having nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain, do they do nothing? When their claims finally have a chance of being brought into the light of justice, do they stand back and let them die?

In their own words, go here to see just how well their allegations hold water or don’t as the case is. www.robins-agency.com/ann.htm.
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Hi, Cris!

Do you have a list (title, author, publisher) of books you've sold over the last three or four years?
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Hi, Cris!

Do you have a list (title, author, publisher) of books you've sold over the last three or four years?
Please allow me to link you to the multitude of wares. Give me a moment to accumulate a list.

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That "refutation" of Victoria's, Ann's and Dave's charges is as breathtaking in its chutzpah as it is lacking in substance.

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So, I’m wondering why is it then, when presented with a sterling opportunity to bring all these so-called complaints to light, when the rubber hits the road and the chance to really put a sword in our hearts and potentially prove all their claims, do they back down? When they are in a position of having nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain, do they do nothing? When their claims finally have a chance of being brought into the light of justice, do they stand back and let them die?

In their own words, go here to see just how well their allegations hold water or don’t as the case is. www.robins-agency.com/ann.htm.
I've got no idea about these kind folks' track record or results. I'm just here beachcombing for cliches and metaphors:

Whoa! Mother lode!
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However, the validity of our agency rests in that we have never had a claimed filed against us that we've lost in any court, jurisdiction, or government agency. THAT has to say something about the way we do business.
So, they've never been convicted - what more could you ask for in an agent?
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However, the validity of our agency rests in that we have never had a claimed [sic] filed against us that we've lost in any court, jurisdiction, or government agency. THAT has to say something about the way we do business.
Reminds me of the old Mafia joke: "Fourteen arrests, NO convictions!"
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None of these have sold, but I'm sure these people would say what kind of agent she was.
Here is her most recent client list (03/2006) taken directly from http://www.robins-agency.com/clients.htm:
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  • Michael Bronte, Presidential Risk
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Blue listings are those that were also listed back in August. Bolded listings are those where the book's title is identical but the author's name is not.

On her news page, she lists only a single domestic sale: her own book.
http://www.robins-agency.com/news.htm

The other two sales are for Russian rights for two authors (Louise Fritz and Hawk/Homer? Kiefer) to Pavel Baskakov at Alpharet Publishing.

ETA: Research shows that Walter Borotto and Michael Bronte are one and the same. Bronte's book, The Dealership, was published in 2002 by Mandrill Publishing. I can't find anything on this publisher, however.

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ETA: Research shows that Walter Borotto and Michael Bronte are one and the same. Bronte's book, The Dealership, was published in 2002 by Mandrill Publishing. I can't find anything on this publisher, however.


Mandrill Publishing is Trident Media of Washington D.C., Washington House, New World Media, Inc., Capitol Literary Agency, American Courier, Inc., American Literary Agents of Washington, and possibly other names. They're all owned and operated by a guy named Sam Asinugo.

The absolutely most charitable thing I can say about Mandrill is that it's a pay-to-play vanity press.
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Cris Robins herself in person showed up in the Twenty Worst Agents thread to point out that she hasn't been convicted of anything yet, so there!

In other news, Cris is claiming that she sold a book!
Agency News

Domestic Sales

As publicly reported in Publisher's Weekly (Feb. 1, 2006)

Non-fiction/Lifestyle: Cris Robins's THE KID TURNED OUT FINE: Turning the Tables, about what we do when we're the ones who become the cause of our kids' fear, to Paula Ford-Martin at Adams Media, in a nice deal, by Cris Robins at The Robins Agency (world). robins-agency@sbcglobal.net

Given what we know about Cris, that's a sort of creepy subject. What we know about Adams Media is that they're a small press located in Avon, MA, that says on their submission page, "We accept submissions directly from authors (including first time authors) and also from literary agents."

So, after close to a decade of trying to be an agent, Cris has finally sold ... her own book. To a place that doesn't require an agent.

(A "nice deal" is from $1.00 to $49,000. I'm just guessing, but I'm guessing that the actual number is more to the left on that scale.)
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From Cris's "Ann" page:
Ann Crispin was approached by someone filing a complaint against our agency with the Missouri Attorney General's office. She was asked for any and all complaints against us to put with this complaint. Her response: "If you'd like to talk with us about the info and documentation regarding her in our database, please call me."

So tell me, Cris: Did you ever call Ann like she offered?

(I'll bet you a nickle that the "someone" who claimed to have filed a complaint was Cris under a pseudonym, on a fishing expedition to see what people had on her. How else would Cris have copies of the actual letters?)
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