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Absolute sagebrush
Join Date: Mar 2005
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If there's one thing I've learned here on this thread, it's the importance of finding the right word.
The great part of letting an ms rest is that the right word usually pops up when you do the rewrite/edits. After ten thousand words into my current WIP, I'm feeling the need to do some plotting. A new course of action for me.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Tucson
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Although I've been a lifelong non-thesaurus user, as I mentioned upthread, I bought Roget's on Jim's recommendation. It's proven invaluable while divining lively verbs to replace the verb "to be" and prepositional phrases. Yum. Not to mention lots of fun.
Dictionary usage became standard practice years ago. Familiar words may paint images contrary to our purpose, as with Jim's cervix example. Ha! With me it started when I checked a word in a title that gave me a funny feeling. I was so glad to have checked. The dam broke and that was that. I've learned to trust those funny feelings! |
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Likes it rough
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: The Place With Lots Of Rain
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I never use a thesaurus or a dictionary. I know I already use words my friends don't know sometimes so, especially when writing YA, I always want to stick to words I'm familiar with and that come to me like -snap-.
The only bad thing about Perdido Street Station (awesome book) was that I ended up reading with a dictionary kept close on my bedside table. |
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Your Genial Uncle
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 21,600
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Speaking of writing-avoidance behavior...
I have 1,500 words to go on a short story. So what am I doing right now? Defragging the hard drive on my working computer! (I'm posting this from the laptop. Yeah, I could write it over here, but ... oh, okay....)
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Highlight, delete, re-write
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 19th century England
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I use the right click synonyms option in Word allll the time.
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New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
Join Date: May 2009
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Hello Uncle Jim and everybody!
(I apologize for any grammar and spelling mistakes, English isn't my mother tongue and I write in another language, but there isn't anything as educating and great as this thread in my language) I haven't read all the posts in this thread yet (not even nearly) so if this has been discussed tell me and I'll keep on reading. So what books would you suggest to read? I mean recent contemporary novels. Very little part of British or American books are translated and published over here so I try to read good stuff in original language as much as I can, but then it is quite hard to judge the book if you buy it online, and I’ve been disappointed too many times buying anything only because it’s a bestseller. And I prefer learning from good books. I know that writers are more critical of the fellow writers than any reader or editor, so if you say it’s good, it must be brilliant ![]() Thanks! |
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Vagrant Story
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Brigadoon
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As long as we're on the thesaurus:
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Your Genial Uncle
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 21,600
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"Tears" is perfectly acceptable, I think. Why would you need a synonym?
--------------- Welcome, ziedinc. I've recommended a number of books over the course of this thread. Here's a collection of some of them. (I haven't updated it lately but this does cover the first half of the thread.)
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Grateful for the day
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Australia
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Ah yes, tears are good. So is cried...just make sure the narrative surrounding it makes it logical for the tears or the crying.
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New kid, be as you like!
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Germany
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Wow, that was a long thread! I kept a text document open to save posts that I found particularly useful. Of course, lots of the advice given here has been covered elsewhere, but, Jim, I've rarely seen it so to the point.
About openings: you need a person, a place and a problem. That's it. Not seventeen different techniques on how to place a good hook. All the major characters should be there by page 100. Now, that's a number I can work with. I loved the chess analogy. When you start a novel, open up the game and put the characters in strategically chosen places. When they move on (the pieces or characters, not the places) and crisscross the board, see that their a$$ is covered. Keep in mind that every move should support the goal of a checkmate. You can't afford to have a knight take a break at the rim of the board, or you'll lose against a competent player. I didn't click on links before 2006, so I missed the link on Celtic Knotwork. I found the page with the books you recommended, and there's a book on Celtic Knotwork. If that's the only link, I'm cool. But I think I remember an illustration somewhere. If somebody remembers another link, could you post it? The only knots I encounter in plots are Gordic ones. ![]() I'm going to retype and analyze chapters from my favorite novels. I found that particularly enlightening. Again, I've done that before, but not as methodically, not sentence by sentence. Oh, and the permission slips, not only pdfs, allowing aforementioned writer to Write Badly, but your descriptions on how you outline. I keep kind of a journal where I keep thoughts and snippets. All the time, it goes like this: Well, okay, the Hero is in this restaurant, no, too quiet, a bar, a club, an AA meeting, a Star Trek convention. No. Okay the Hero is in Public Place. There he... I always felt there was something wrong with me. It works for me, and your experience shows me I don't need my head examined. Not necessarily, that is. So, thank you. The thread is great. ricmic Okay, BIC time. |
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New Fish; Learning About Thick Skin
Join Date: May 2009
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thanks! I had seen you recommending the chess book and some others but haven't got to the posts where you comment most if those books. That's a nice collection of nooks and some great links as well.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New Zealand
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Where did I put me specs?
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Paradise
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Never knew about that. Could be useful. Thanks for that.
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Where did I put me specs?
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Paradise
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Jim, do you have a working link to your comments on "that silly Salon article" (the tragedy of the midlist author one)?
I just read a ton of blogs and blog comments about it. Much food for thought. |
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Your Genial Uncle
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 21,600
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You can use Google better than the (poor, broken) search function that comes with this site. Use site:absolutewrite.com "Uncle Jim" then whatever term you're looking for.
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practical experience, FTW
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Good hunting, thanks. Man, that article really stirred up a lot of anger (your comments seemed quite sensible to me). I find that interesting, since the whiner did at least have an interesting tale to tell and there were some lessons in it--even if many of those were "this is how not to approach a writing career."
This guy was quite funny about it all, although I'm not sure how I feel about the unanimous chorus of "Burn her!" from his blog readers. Maybe I'm too nice. |
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Part of the Scenery
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: In my head with my characters.
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Book 1 is off to beta readers, time to start book 2. I know nothing.
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Bah Humbug
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: California
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How would you format a section that's on TV, that your characters are watching?
Putting the TV scene in italics works for short bursts, but a lot of people don't want to read a full page in that. And yes, they need to review what's on the screen, so it can't be left out. I want to make it clear it's not a "real" scene without hitting the readers over the head with obviousness.... |
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Coming soon to a nightmare near you
Requiescat In Pace
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sleep... Those little slices of Death. How I loathe them. ~E.A. Poe
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Italics are probably fine... just remember Uncle Jim's BIG RULE: Don't confuse the readers.
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Part of the Scenery
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: In my head with my characters.
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I've seen some books just do a line breaks before and after the TV or newspaper bit. I hope some of this helps.
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Where did I put me specs?
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Paradise
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Also, the thunderstorm has no real purpose or relevance. It's there to slow the pace at the start of the scene and to give the reader a mental picture of the scene. Do thunderstorms have to be significant, or to pressage bad or significant events?
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Your Genial Uncle
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Hampshire
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Yes, that's alliteration. Yes, you should consider changing it.
Why doesn't your thunderstorm serve a function? Every word needs to either support the theme, reveal character, or advance the plot. If your subconscious is trying to support the theme with this storm, look to see where else that theme might trying to break through.
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Where did I put me specs?
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Paradise
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Why should I change the unintentional alliteration? What harm is it doing?
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Your Genial Uncle
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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