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Old 10-17-2006, 02:38 AM   #26
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I like the pencil and the X. Maybe I'm just old.
Me too.

No joke.

Magic markers and make a big X in the box next to your candidate.

No problems.

Except for the morons who can't do that either.

I counted ballots last year for the Colorado elections as some of you may remember. It was a mark the X ballot.

Pick FIVE candidates.

Idiots picked SIX.

CHOOSE ONE CANDIDATE...

IDIOTS picked TWO.

Adios ala your vote, hump.

But generally it worked great. We fed the paper ballots into the machine and it counted them.

Any disputed ballots, overvotes, undervotes, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T COLOR WITHIN THE LINES, went to a team of two people. A conservative and a democrat and they would decide what to do with the vote. And there weren't any problems.


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Old 10-17-2006, 02:40 AM   #27
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Me too.

No joke.

Magic markers and make a big X in the box next to your candidate.

No problems.

Except for the morons who can't do that either.

I counted ballots last year for the Colorado elections as some of you may remember. It was a mark the X ballot.

Pick FIVE candidates.

Idiots picked SIX.

CHOOSE ONE CANDIDATE...

IDIOTS picked TWO.

Adios ala your vote, hump.

But generally it worked great. We fed the paper ballots into the machine and it counted them.

Any disputed ballots, overvotes, undervotes, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T COLOR WITHIN THE LINES, went to a team of two people. A conservative and a democrat and they would decide what to do with the vote. And there weren't any problems.


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We are in complete agreement on this one.

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Old 10-17-2006, 02:43 AM   #28
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But some people couldn't follow directions and then whined when their votes didn't count so then we moved to electronic voting and everyone is whining about that.
Naaaah. Electronic voting came along as an inevitability owing to development of the technology and the premise (probably false) that it would save money and be more accurate. It was a natural succession to the old punch-card voting machines, and had little or nothing to do with people whining about their votes not counting.

But it's a horror waiting to happen, for all kinds of reasons.

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Here's an idea. Pick ONE candidate. Mark X. The End.
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But it's a horror waiting to happen
Yes.

Yes it is.

It's a bad idea.

Power failures, corrupted software, no paper trails.

It's awful.

In NY we always went into that boothy thing and shut the curtain and pulled the lever thingies. What kind of voting is that? I don't even get it. Is the machine just counting the number of levers pulled or is pulling the lever causing some type of paper punch.

This thing...

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Whatever. Seemed to work good.

When it comes to voting and technology I refer to the old Thrilly adage...

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Yeah, well luckily we don't have those laws and never will.

I suggest you do a little more in depth analysis of the law that was passed regarding enemy combatants and all of your "habeas corpus" worries and contentions.

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Yes, alone it isn't much of a threat. HOWEVER, coupled with the Patriot Act, anyone inside or outside the US can be considered an enemy combatant and arrested without due cause, and this would give them even more wiggle room to not even tell you why you are in prison.

Couple that scary thought with electronic balets and dang, I'm glad I live in a very small town.
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anyone inside or outside the US can be considered an enemy combatant and arrested without due cause
Please let me know when an American citizen, residing within our borders, is considered an enemy combatant, pulled from his home and thrown in jail without due cause and not told why he's in jail.

I will happily take their case pro Bono.

I am nothing if not pro Bono.

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Please let me know when an American citizen, residing within our borders, is considered an enemy combatant, pulled from his home and thrown in jail without due cause and not told why he's in jail.

I will happily take their case pro Bono.

I am nothing if not pro Bono.

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lol....


Dave, I must warn you....

Habeas Corpus does not apply to YOU. So, please be careful. I don't think they let you messageboard post down at Gitmo.

Good luck!
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Which is exactly what a fair number of dictators do and have done historically. Castro has elections, doesn't he? Mugabe, too, I believe. Saddam Hussein had elections. The Soviets had elections.

Elections only work well as long as the public maintains trust in their fairness. It bothers me considerable that for the U.S. public, by all the polls I've seen, that trust is eroding. Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 didn't help it any.

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If someone is so dumb that they can't figure out how to vote, they shouldn't be allowed to in the first place because obviously, they aren't smart enough to know what they are voting for anyway.

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Naaaah. Electronic voting came along as an inevitability owing to development of the technology and the premise (probably false) that it would save money and be more accurate. It was a natural succession to the old punch-card voting machines, and had little or nothing to do with people whining about their votes not counting.

But it's a horror waiting to happen, for all kinds of reasons.

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As a computer programmer, I am highly qualified to say this is a very bad idea.
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I have difficulty motivating myself for one X. Do you live in the real World?
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Don't you still have Kings and Queens?

I have no idea how that place works.

I'm pretty sure you don't even get to vote.

But I'm not positive.
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Don't you still have Kings and Queens?

I have no idea how that place works.

I'm pretty sure you don't even get to vote.

But I'm not positive.
I rest my case. lol
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I'd get outraged, but I have no idea what habeas corpusal is except a term they use on the lawyer shows.
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As they say, it's not the voting, it's the counting.

And habeus corpus is the right to challenge your detention in a court of law - to be given a reason why you're being detained. And this bill would, indeed, suspend it based on the whim of the president, which is too much trust to have invested in any one man.
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Habeas corpus is your right to know why you have been arrested.
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Habeas corpus is your right to know why you have been arrested.
Wasn't even aware I had that right.

But they keep talking about a Military commission. The military has it's own rules. Is this something that will effect the military, or us civilians?

I would have prefered a real link that explained it in more detail instead of a typical Oberman diatribe.
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Is this something that will effect the military, or us civilians?
It will only effect non-citizen enemy combatants who don't have constitutional rights.

Anyone who tells you otherwise would not be clear thinking.

So, sleep very well, Shadrock. It's all good in da hood.

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Yep. YOU do.

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Not quite so billy,
It says enemy combatant. With the hunt for terrorists inside the United States, that applies to every US citizen if they suspect you are an enemy combatant, a terrorist.

Combine that with the Patriot Act that can take anyone into custody without due cause, without a warrant, and can listen and infringe every bit of your privacy without a reason, you have a bad situation.

This brings on very bad flashbacks to the World War II and cold war campaign of "Who's the Communist" except I think this time will be much worse.
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Your analysis of the Patriot Act is frighteningly incorrect, alarmist and funny.

No offense.
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