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Old 01-26-2013, 05:28 AM   #1
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Arizona Repubs want their high school seniors to swear an oath to god to graduate?

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Section 1. Title 15, chapter 7, article 1, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 15-701.03, to read:
15-701.03. Graduation requirement; constitutional oath
BEGINNING IN THE 2013‑2014 SCHOOL YEAR, IN ADDITION TO FULFILLING THE COURSE OF STUDY AND ASSESSMENT REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN THIS CHAPTER, BEFORE A PUPIL IS ALLOWED TO GRADUATE FROM A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL IN THIS STATE, THE PRINCIPAL OR HEAD TEACHER OF THE SCHOOL SHALL VERIFY IN WRITING THAT THE PUPIL HAS RECITED THE FOLLOWING OATH:
I, _________, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THESE DUTIES; SO HELP ME GOD.
I guess some of these foreign exchange students are gonna be just screwed.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:39 AM   #2
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Even if it passes, the Supreme Court will toss it out on numerous grounds.

And what God do they want the seniors to swear an oath to?
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Even if it passes, the Supreme Court will toss it out on numerous grounds.

And what God do they want the seniors to swear an oath to?
How about this one:
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:44 AM   #5
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Is there some sort of contest between Arizona and Florida for most batshit crazy state?
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:45 AM   #6
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What a load of carp! The very term "requirement" negates the possibility that the obligation is taken "freely". And what Willibee said. Is there something funky in the water out west or what?
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That's them realizing that their primary power base is getting old and dropping dead of concentrated stupid. They need to start indoctrinating more youth, stat!
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Swearing to uphold the Constitution? I thought that was the President's job. Or Congress'.

It's pretty nasty to quire a loyalty oath just so kids can graduate. Heck, I don't think even police officers have to swear that. The swearing by the Judeo-Christian god is only the icing on the cake.

I am afraid that it is no surprise that this legislation is being proposed in Arizona.
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It's against the law to force children to pledge allegiance to the flag any more, and they think they can force young adults to swear an oath to God? It's completely unconstitutional. So glad I'm not an AZ resident. I am legally an FL resident, but AZ really takes the crazy prize on this one.
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Is there some sort of contest between Arizona and Florida for most batshit crazy state?
Don't forget New Mexico.
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Don't forget New Mexico.
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I might just have to revert to my birthstate. Hawaii hasn't proposed or passed any crazy bills as of yet, have they?
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Seems the author of the bill (Thorpe) is backing off a bit:

"Thorpe said he is planning on offering an amendment to the bill when it goes to committee that would make taking the oath optional rather than mandatory."

Doesn't make the original idea any less stupid.
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And what God do they want the seniors to swear an oath to?
Well, the real one, of course.
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I might just have to revert to my birthstate. Hawaii hasn't proposed or passed any crazy bills as of yet, have they?
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How can people this stupid, evil, and anti-American keep getting elected to positions of any sort of power?
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I, _KEN_, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THESE DUTIES; SO HELP ME GOD.
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The God part is patently ridiculous, and offensive, but I find having to swear to uphold the Constitution equally so. Effectively they are telling students not to challenge laws they see as wrong and cloaking it in patriotism.
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Apparently they're going straight from the Prom to Boot Camp.
That's exactly what I thought!

Oh for crying out loud. I love it when state legislators have a state that's in such great shape they have nothing else better to do. /sarcsasm
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That all sounds eerily familiar. Have you read Michael Crichton's State of Fear? I swear there's a professor or similar who makes almost that identical speech at one point.
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I tend to blame the Feds for Don, actually.
If they'd get it right, we wouldn't need Don pointing out that they'd gotten it wrong.
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