A GAME OF THRONES, SEASON 2 and 3 (yes season 3, it's here, almost), POSSIBLE SPOILERS - Page 12

Kitty27 · 04-30-2012, 08:29 AM

I find the dude who plays Jaqen H'ghar to be QUITE the smexy. Yes,indeedy.

Cersei is getting smashed,I see. I agree that the pressure is getting to her. I adore Arya. Just love her and am a total fangirl for her. Sansa,lawdhammercy. I try with her like I do with her Mama. Really.

Love seeing Natalie Dormer again. I really enjoyed her on The Tudors. My hatred for Joffrey is approaching unhealthy levels. The actor who plays him outdoes himself! I just HATE him. Tyrion is my dude forever. He has more sense than his brother and sister combined.

thothguard51 · 04-30-2012, 08:49 AM

The guy playing Jaqen H'ghar actually does better than my impression of the character in the books. I think this is a nice addition.

CrastersBabies · 04-30-2012, 09:36 AM

Interesting how they changed the first "life" Jaqen takes back for Arya...

Book stuffs <<<< In the books, I remember the head steward at Harrenhal being the first to go because he treated Arya so poorly. Interesting that they changed that to The Tickler. I recall that Arya is the one who ended up killing the Tickler when the Hound caught her in book 3, that she went nutso on him. So, hmmmm. Interesting change there. >>>>

I agree that Jaqen is pretty hot. =) I think they chose very well on that actor.

I really liked the scene where Brienne swears her oath to Catelyn and when Davos is trying to tell Stannis what he saw. Stannis really is, imho, Lawful Neutral. Justice for the sake of justice on all matters. Very stern. Still love the character and the actor is really doing a great job.

Jon volunteering to go with Halfhand. Love what this is leading up to!

I cannot wait to see... >>> The battle of the Blackwater. Ahh! It's going to be so awesome!! <<<<

I also agree with Kitty. I love Natalie Dormer. She is an amazing Margaery! I never really cared for Margaery in the books, but, she's a cool character in the series. It makes me want to go back and reread some of this with Natalie Dormer in my head.

Seraph · 04-30-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by thothguard51

The guy playing Jaqen H'ghar actually does better than my impression of the character in the books. I think this is a nice addition.

Agree.

Loved the scene where Brienne swore to Cat. Definitely a few changes from the book in Harrenhal, like who Arya wanted dead, as CrastersBabies mentioned. And don't remember Tywin running the place; he was off in the field somewhere. There was some guy. . . I wanna say Bolton. I think it's a good idea they put him there though.

Part of me's upset how little time everything's getting. I can see why they're splitting the next book into two seasons.

Looking forward to the scene of Danny in the haunted house/Warlock maze/acid trip

BunnyMaz · 04-30-2012, 07:17 PM

I really enjoyed this episode. It felt like they set up a lot more for future scenes, and moved the plot forward in little ways all over the place. Especially pleased that they went reasonably subtle with setting up of Theon's <SPOILER> the sacking of Winterhold. </SPOILER> I like that little look on his face. Like that they're gradually putting more emphasis on Bran's visions, even if we don't get to actually see them (which makes sense, given how much they already have to cram in).

I still think they should have broken this book into two seasons as well, but I admit I'm not sure where in the book they could break it and have the right sort of epic ending to make it work.

thothguard51 · 04-30-2012, 07:50 PM

I want to add that I am very happy about the 3 seekers from Qarth.

The actor protraying Xaro Xhoan Daxos may actually make me care for Xaro compared to the slime ball feeling I got in the books.

The warlock Pyat Pree, creepy, as he should be. I don't trust him already.

And the masked shadowbinder, Quaithe, I almost forgot about her and I liked her in the books. I wonder if we will ever see her face?

I hope they don't drag Dani's time in Qarth on and on without some excitement. spoiler>>>It should be interesting when Dani enters the warlocks house of dreams, or whatever it was called.<<<

mscelina · 04-30-2012, 08:11 PM

Aside from the cheesy Renly death, I really found a lot to be excited about in this episode. I *adore* the girl who's playing Brienne. She took my mental image of the character and ground it into the dust beneath the heel of her very sensible shoe. And she totally kicked ass. I also thought the scene between Davos and Stannis was beautifully played--and the expression on Stannis's face once Davos left was such an amazing insight into how his character really felt about the death of his brother. And the young 'un playing Arya is gaining her acting chops--fast. The scene with Tywin Lannister couldn't have been played better by any actress in Hollywood. "Anyone can be killed." A huge moment for her--and then Jaqen's subsequent scene with her elevated the episode even more. Am also looking forward to Margaery's future widowhoods. I think the active choice they made to add some age to the older tier of the young generation was a smart thing to do. Natalie Dormer is oh-so-lovely, and with just the tiniest inflection and a sharpening of her eyes, she transformed Margaery from set dressing to major player in the Game of Thrones.

Over all, therefore, I found a lot to compensate for the decidedly bad special effects with the shadow killer. C'mon HBO--surely you could have afforded more than one 10-year-old CGI artist? Or at least an editor to soothe the fade between actor and green screen.

CrastersBabies · 04-30-2012, 08:41 PM

I don't think they have cast Roose Bolton for season 2. No announcements or such. Chances are, they'll bring him in for season 3.

Thoth.... on Dany ... >>> I think we have the House of the Undying left, yeah, and that's about it unless they boost Dany's role a bit more. I think she only had a handful of chapters in Clash of Kings anyway. I remember in one interview Emilia Clark was saying that they had to give her a little more to do this season because there wasn't a lot in the books. With 5 episodes left, my guess is that they'll save the House of the Undying for the last since she really Effs things up there, haha. She has to refuse Xaro's proposal (which will probably be next episode), and it also looks like some minor political intrigue with other members of the 13. Is it in season 2 or 3 that she realizes what Jorah has done and tosses him to the curb? Season 3 will definitely pick up for her! <<<<<

Parametric · 04-30-2012, 08:42 PM

Roose Bolton appeared last episode - he was trying to persuade Robb to torture some prisoners. He was quite quiet, so I'm not sure he made much of an impression on most viewers.

CrastersBabies · 05-01-2012, 12:29 AM

Seriously? I totally missed him? Aghh! I need to go back and watch that.

AyJay · 05-01-2012, 01:19 AM

Great episode last night. But once again, I had a major clueless moment.

What's Theon's strategy behind attacking another site (near Kings Landing) instead of the fishing villages he was supposed to? It sounded like he wanted to provoke the Starks, but for me there wasn't enough explanation - how is this furthering his father's campaign?

From way back up the board, to weigh in on Thoth's question, it seems to me just about every one of the prostitute scenes is gratuitous EXCEPT the awful, awful scene with Ros getting forced by Joffrey to beat the other girl. Totally disturbing to watch, but it showed something more than sex/violence, i.e. how demented and out-of-control Joffrey is becoming.

And, I think we should be spared of any sex scene involving Theon.

thothguard51 · 05-01-2012, 03:11 AM

AyJay,

To answer the question, the village is closer to Winterfell than Kings landing. Put that bit of information together with Bran's dream of the sea sweeping over Winterfell and you'll get an idea of what's to come...

JohnnyGottaKeyboard · 05-01-2012, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CrastersBabies

Seriously? I totally missed him? Aghh! I need to go back and watch that.

Robb definitely called that guy Lord Bolton.

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Originally Posted by AyJay

I think we should be spared of any sex scene involving Theon.

He's apparently the only actor willing to do full frontal. Well, the only major character. I'm looking at you Hodor! And cringing.

Parametric · 05-01-2012, 03:48 AM

Yep, and he talked about a flayed man having no secrets.

thothguard51 · 05-01-2012, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGottaKeyboard

I'm looking at you Hodor! And cringing.

As Osha said, "Now there's a big man."

robeiae · 05-01-2012, 04:06 AM

You know, I'm enjoying each episode of Season 2, but frankly it's not as good--imo--as Season 1. I know there's still time, so things may change.

Really though, I don't think the acting--in total--measures up. Cersei in particular has lost something, again imo.

dragonjax · 05-01-2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AyJay

What's Theon's strategy behind attacking another site (near Kings Landing) instead of the fishing villages he was supposed to? It sounded like he wanted to provoke the Starks, but for me there wasn't enough explanation - how is this furthering his father's campaign?

I think it's to prove to his father that he really is an Iron Islander, that he isn't torn between the Kracken and the Wolf. Attacking/taking Winterfell will show his father that he is a loyal, loving son - and a better heir to his father's throne than Yara/Asha.

Theon has serious daddy issues.

AyJay · 05-01-2012, 07:15 AM

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To answer the question, the village is closer to Winterfell than Kings landing. Put that bit of information together with Bran's dream of the sea sweeping over Winterfell and you'll get an idea of what's to come...

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I think it's to prove to his father that he really is an Iron Islander, that he isn't torn between the Kracken and the Wolf. Attacking/taking Winterfell will show his father that he is a loyal, loving son - and a better heir to his father's throne than Yara/Asha.

Thanks - these were possibilities floating in my head. But the set-up seemed to be missing. Like, how is Theon going to succeed with his ragtag crew when everyone keeps talking about the Starks having an unbeatable army?

Just wishing there was a smidgen more plot clues in the TV series. I'll have to wait and see how a flood is possible in this world. Unless it's metaphorical, the idea seems to come out of nowhere.

(And please let Brienne kill Stannis. Please).

Chumplet · 05-01-2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AyJay

I'll have to wait and see how a flood is possible in this world. Unless it's metaphorical, the idea seems to come out of nowhere.

I'm pretty sure it's metaphorical. I see an attack from the sea, riding over Winterfell like a wave. I haven't read the books, so I'm taking this as it goes. And loving it!

CrastersBabies · 05-01-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonjax

I think it's to prove to his father that he really is an Iron Islander, that he isn't torn between the Kracken and the Wolf. Attacking/taking Winterfell will show his father that he is a loyal, loving son - and a better heir to his father's throne than Yara/Asha.

Theon has serious daddy issues.

He certainly does.... but....

spoiler spoilerly spoils....
>>>> I'm one of the readers out there who thought Martin redeemed Theon (or, rather, had his pride and ego completely beaten out of him to the point of pitiful redemption). Reek was one of my favorite POVs in Dance with Dragons and the last chapter I read of his, I admit to shedding a wee lil' tear.... But, Martin's good at taking a character you loathe (i.e. the Kingslayer) and turning things on its head. <<<<

Maybe I'm the only one here who was very happy with Theon's full frontal in season 1. Sorry, but he kinda had a nice-looking, uh.... manly part. I like Alfie Allen in general, though.

What disturbed me before season 2 came out was that people were actually suggesting that Lily Allen play Asha (Yara). Uhhh.... no words on that.

thothguard51 · 05-01-2012, 07:40 AM

Remember, almost all the north army is with Rob, in the south, past the neck. Most of those left behind at Winterfell are old, young or not really soldiers...

I suspect>>>they will save the fall of Winterfell to the last episode or near the last episode.<<< It will be a cliffhanger for next season.

JohnnyGottaKeyboard · 05-01-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CrastersBabies

Maybe I'm the only one here who was very happy with Theon's full frontal in season 1. Sorry, but he kinda had a nice-looking, uh.... manly part. I like Alfie Allen in general, though.

Well, since we're discussing it, I admit that as a man I found the fact that he was flaccid rather pulled me out of the story. Anyone familiar with the mechanics would know that upon orgasm the male member does not instaneously deflate. I felt they shouldn't have shown it for that reason alone. It wouldn't have been completely flaccid a moment after orgasm and I said well, obviously they weren't f@#king.

thothguard51 · 05-01-2012, 08:01 AM

Maybe Theon has an erectile dysfunction issue...

BunnyMaz · 05-01-2012, 09:21 AM

<SPOILER>He certainly does later on.</SPOILER>

CrastersBabies · 05-01-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyGottaKeyboard

Well, since we're discussing it, I admit that as a man I found the fact that he was flaccid rather pulled me out of the story. Anyone familiar with the mechanics would know that upon orgasm the male member does not instaneously deflate. I felt they shouldn't have shown it for that reason alone. It wouldn't have been completely flaccid a moment after orgasm and I said well, obviously they weren't f@#king.

I get what you're saying, but, I don't think HBO can show an erect penis in a show like that. Maybe they can?

And, if it comes down to seeing peen (even if it doesn't jive with rigidity--or lack thereof--after sex) or NOT seeing peen. I'm sorry, I'm going to go with the peen. But, I'm a dirty old cougar, so there you go.

04-30-2012, 08:29 AM	#276
Kitty27 So Goth That I Was Born Black AW Moderator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: In The Darkside's Light Posts: 3,822	I find the dude who plays Jaqen H'ghar to be QUITE the smexy. Yes,indeedy. Cersei is getting smashed,I see. I agree that the pressure is getting to her. I adore Arya. Just love her and am a total fangirl for her. Sansa,lawdhammercy. I try with her like I do with her Mama. Really. Love seeing Natalie Dormer again. I really enjoyed her on The Tudors. My hatred for Joffrey is approaching unhealthy levels. The actor who plays him outdoes himself! I just HATE him. Tyrion is my dude forever. He has more sense than his brother and sister combined. __________________ Tupac Shakur,the greatest rapper of all time,is now in the National Recording Registry NIGHT CALLS(Finally have a title! )YA Paranormal Romance/Urban Fantasy Novel,Coming 2013. Vampire/Horror novel,Coming 2013.

04-30-2012, 08:49 AM	#277
thothguard51 A Gentleman of a refined age... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Out side the beltway... Posts: 7,963	The guy playing Jaqen H'ghar actually does better than my impression of the character in the books. I think this is a nice addition. __________________ Knowledge is learned while wisdom is earned. Currently working on... From, The Tales of Netherron, Book 1, A Game of Pawns Book 2, Pawn takes Queen, Book 3, Pawn's Gambit, In the pipeline, Children of Netherron, follow up trilogy Guardians of Netherron, prequel trilogy http://nickanthony51.wordpress.com (on hiatus) Nick Anthony

04-30-2012, 09:36 AM	#278
CrastersBabies all hail zombie babies! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 2,521	Interesting how they changed the first "life" Jaqen takes back for Arya... Book stuffs <<<< In the books, I remember the head steward at Harrenhal being the first to go because he treated Arya so poorly. Interesting that they changed that to The Tickler. I recall that Arya is the one who ended up killing the Tickler when the Hound caught her in book 3, that she went nutso on him. So, hmmmm. Interesting change there. >>>> I agree that Jaqen is pretty hot. =) I think they chose very well on that actor. I really liked the scene where Brienne swears her oath to Catelyn and when Davos is trying to tell Stannis what he saw. Stannis really is, imho, Lawful Neutral. Justice for the sake of justice on all matters. Very stern. Still love the character and the actor is really doing a great job. Jon volunteering to go with Halfhand. Love what this is leading up to! I cannot wait to see... >>> The battle of the Blackwater. Ahh! It's going to be so awesome!! <<<< I also agree with Kitty. I love Natalie Dormer. She is an amazing Margaery! I never really cared for Margaery in the books, but, she's a cool character in the series. It makes me want to go back and reread some of this with Natalie Dormer in my head. __________________ stephantrain.com Curiosity killed the cat. Satisfaction brought it back "The first draft of anything is s***." Ernest Hemingway

04-30-2012, 07:17 PM	#280
BunnyMaz Ruining your porn since 1984 Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,261	I really enjoyed this episode. It felt like they set up a lot more for future scenes, and moved the plot forward in little ways all over the place. Especially pleased that they went reasonably subtle with setting up of Theon's <SPOILER> the sacking of Winterhold. </SPOILER> I like that little look on his face. Like that they're gradually putting more emphasis on Bran's visions, even if we don't get to actually see them (which makes sense, given how much they already have to cram in). I still think they should have broken this book into two seasons as well, but I admit I'm not sure where in the book they could break it and have the right sort of epic ending to make it work. __________________ RIP Taihg. I can't believe it's been a year already. More Taihg. Because he was awesome.

04-30-2012, 07:50 PM	#281
thothguard51 A Gentleman of a refined age... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Out side the beltway... Posts: 7,963	I want to add that I am very happy about the 3 seekers from Qarth. The actor protraying Xaro Xhoan Daxos may actually make me care for Xaro compared to the slime ball feeling I got in the books. The warlock Pyat Pree, creepy, as he should be. I don't trust him already. And the masked shadowbinder, Quaithe, I almost forgot about her and I liked her in the books. I wonder if we will ever see her face? I hope they don't drag Dani's time in Qarth on and on without some excitement. spoiler>>>It should be interesting when Dani enters the warlocks house of dreams, or whatever it was called.<<< __________________ Knowledge is learned while wisdom is earned. Currently working on... From, The Tales of Netherron, Book 1, A Game of Pawns Book 2, Pawn takes Queen, Book 3, Pawn's Gambit, In the pipeline, Children of Netherron, follow up trilogy Guardians of Netherron, prequel trilogy http://nickanthony51.wordpress.com (on hiatus) Nick Anthony

04-30-2012, 08:11 PM	#282
mscelina Teh doommobile, drivin' rite by you Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Going shopping with Soccer Mom and Bubastes for fudz. Not pie. I do not share pie. EVER. Posts: 20,019	Aside from the cheesy Renly death, I really found a lot to be excited about in this episode. I adore the girl who's playing Brienne. She took my mental image of the character and ground it into the dust beneath the heel of her very sensible shoe. And she totally kicked ass. I also thought the scene between Davos and Stannis was beautifully played--and the expression on Stannis's face once Davos left was such an amazing insight into how his character really felt about the death of his brother. And the young 'un playing Arya is gaining her acting chops--fast. The scene with Tywin Lannister couldn't have been played better by any actress in Hollywood. "Anyone can be killed." A huge moment for her--and then Jaqen's subsequent scene with her elevated the episode even more. Am also looking forward to Margaery's future widowhoods. I think the active choice they made to add some age to the older tier of the young generation was a smart thing to do. Natalie Dormer is oh-so-lovely, and with just the tiniest inflection and a sharpening of her eyes, she transformed Margaery from set dressing to major player in the Game of Thrones. Over all, therefore, I found a lot to compensate for the decidedly bad special effects with the shadow killer. C'mon HBO--surely you could have afforded more than one 10-year-old CGI artist? Or at least an editor to soothe the fade between actor and green screen.

04-30-2012, 08:41 PM	#283
CrastersBabies all hail zombie babies! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 2,521	I don't think they have cast Roose Bolton for season 2. No announcements or such. Chances are, they'll bring him in for season 3. Thoth.... on Dany ... >>> I think we have the House of the Undying left, yeah, and that's about it unless they boost Dany's role a bit more. I think she only had a handful of chapters in Clash of Kings anyway. I remember in one interview Emilia Clark was saying that they had to give her a little more to do this season because there wasn't a lot in the books. With 5 episodes left, my guess is that they'll save the House of the Undying for the last since she really Effs things up there, haha. She has to refuse Xaro's proposal (which will probably be next episode), and it also looks like some minor political intrigue with other members of the 13. Is it in season 2 or 3 that she realizes what Jorah has done and tosses him to the curb? Season 3 will definitely pick up for her! <<<<< __________________ stephantrain.com Curiosity killed the cat. Satisfaction brought it back "The first draft of anything is s***." Ernest Hemingway

04-30-2012, 08:42 PM	#284
Parametric useless idiot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 9,085	Roose Bolton appeared last episode - he was trying to persuade Robb to torture some prisoners. He was quite quiet, so I'm not sure he made much of an impression on most viewers.

05-01-2012, 12:29 AM	#285
CrastersBabies all hail zombie babies! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 2,521	Seriously? I totally missed him? Aghh! I need to go back and watch that. __________________ stephantrain.com Curiosity killed the cat. Satisfaction brought it back "The first draft of anything is s***." Ernest Hemingway

05-01-2012, 01:19 AM	#286
AyJay Luv's Conscript Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 569	Great episode last night. But once again, I had a major clueless moment. What's Theon's strategy behind attacking another site (near Kings Landing) instead of the fishing villages he was supposed to? It sounded like he wanted to provoke the Starks, but for me there wasn't enough explanation - how is this furthering his father's campaign? From way back up the board, to weigh in on Thoth's question, it seems to me just about every one of the prostitute scenes is gratuitous EXCEPT the awful, awful scene with Ros getting forced by Joffrey to beat the other girl. Totally disturbing to watch, but it showed something more than sex/violence, i.e. how demented and out-of-control Joffrey is becoming. And, I think we should be spared of any sex scene involving Theon. __________________ andrewjpeterswrites.com LGBT Writers at AW Facebook Twitter Bold Strokes Books Author Page

05-01-2012, 03:11 AM	#287
thothguard51 A Gentleman of a refined age... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Out side the beltway... Posts: 7,963	AyJay, To answer the question, the village is closer to Winterfell than Kings landing. Put that bit of information together with Bran's dream of the sea sweeping over Winterfell and you'll get an idea of what's to come... __________________ Knowledge is learned while wisdom is earned. Currently working on... From, The Tales of Netherron, Book 1, A Game of Pawns Book 2, Pawn takes Queen, Book 3, Pawn's Gambit, In the pipeline, Children of Netherron, follow up trilogy Guardians of Netherron, prequel trilogy http://nickanthony51.wordpress.com (on hiatus) Nick Anthony

05-01-2012, 03:48 AM	#289
Parametric useless idiot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 9,085	Yep, and he talked about a flayed man having no secrets.

05-01-2012, 04:06 AM	#291
robeiae Pyongyang-bred heartthrob... P&CE Ombudsman/Arbiter/Thingamajobbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Just north of the Maginot line Posts: 33,349	You know, I'm enjoying each episode of Season 2, but frankly it's not as good--imo--as Season 1. I know there's still time, so things may change. Really though, I don't think the acting--in total--measures up. Cersei in particular has lost something, again imo. __________________ I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death. --Thomas Hobbes Ponds of Happenstance--blogging Sailor on the Ponds--tweeting No more motes: 3D-printing the return of self-provisioning

05-01-2012, 07:40 AM	#296
thothguard51 A Gentleman of a refined age... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Out side the beltway... Posts: 7,963	Remember, almost all the north army is with Rob, in the south, past the neck. Most of those left behind at Winterfell are old, young or not really soldiers... I suspect>>>they will save the fall of Winterfell to the last episode or near the last episode.<<< It will be a cliffhanger for next season. __________________ Knowledge is learned while wisdom is earned. Currently working on... From, The Tales of Netherron, Book 1, A Game of Pawns Book 2, Pawn takes Queen, Book 3, Pawn's Gambit, In the pipeline, Children of Netherron, follow up trilogy Guardians of Netherron, prequel trilogy http://nickanthony51.wordpress.com (on hiatus) Nick Anthony

05-01-2012, 08:01 AM	#298
thothguard51 A Gentleman of a refined age... Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Out side the beltway... Posts: 7,963	Maybe Theon has an erectile dysfunction issue... __________________ Knowledge is learned while wisdom is earned. Currently working on... From, The Tales of Netherron, Book 1, A Game of Pawns Book 2, Pawn takes Queen, Book 3, Pawn's Gambit, In the pipeline, Children of Netherron, follow up trilogy Guardians of Netherron, prequel trilogy http://nickanthony51.wordpress.com (on hiatus) Nick Anthony

05-01-2012, 09:21 AM	#299
BunnyMaz Ruining your porn since 1984 Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,261	<SPOILER>He certainly does later on.</SPOILER> __________________ RIP Taihg. I can't believe it's been a year already. More Taihg. Because he was awesome.

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