The "T" Party. - Page 25

Kim Fierce · 09-17-2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medievalist

Kim if you tell me what you want the links to say, and give me permission, I'll fix them for you.

Thanks! If the first link could say Ex This and the second Alternative Conception, that would be great!

Gale had it all written out for me, with spaces so I could see it, but every time I try to do it with no spaces I must be missing something haha. I bet I could look it up somewhere, too.

Kim Fierce · 09-17-2011, 10:46 PM

[QUOTE=Becca_H;6555104]There are advantages to it. Only a very, very lucky few look passable straight after transition. Most of us had/have the awful purgatory moment where it's obvious we're trans, or sometimes worse than that. And there are horror stories of transwomen going through immigration control and the officers pull them because they "look like a man but dress like a woman and this is a woman's document so this is probably a false passport." Generally very distressing and embarrassing. An 'X' solves that, at least right at the beginning.QUOTE]

I'd been wondering what thoughts would be like on this. My first thought was that a trans person wouldn't want to be an "X", but whichever gender they prefer, M or F. Either that, or no gender distinction at all. But if this will help trans people from being harassed then good going!

Unimportant · 09-19-2011, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Becca_H

Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14926598

Ta!

While I would imagine that many transgender people would prefer to put the F or M choice that reflects who they identify as, I can see that having people put an X serves as a useful notification to the security-mad airport people and may prevent people who are pre-op transgender or intersex from being targeted for invasive pat-downs.

DancingMaenid · 09-19-2011, 10:45 AM

I think people should be able to put the gender they identify as (though yeah, there are some practical concerns to that, sometimes). One thing I really like about the "X" option, though, is that it could be really good for those of us who identity as something other than male or female. I can't be honest when there are only two gender options listed, and I wish this became a widespread option, while also allowing binary-identified trans people to put male or female.

Cliff Face · 09-21-2011, 11:15 AM

Had my first day of a new job today.

So that's Step One complete in my diabolical "Plan to get a proper job, save up for my own place, and then save up for SRS ASAP" plan.

It was less than $100 that I earned today, but at this point in the plan, what I really need is to make a good impression so that I can get more permanent (and more hours) work.

Just thought I'd share. I'm no longer stagnating! I'm on my way! Woohoo!

Diana Hignutt · 09-21-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Face

Had my first day of a new job today.

So that's Step One complete in my diabolical "Plan to get a proper job, save up for my own place, and then save up for SRS ASAP" plan.

It was less than $100 that I earned today, but at this point in the plan, what I really need is to make a good impression so that I can get more permanent (and more hours) work.

Just thought I'd share. I'm no longer stagnating! I'm on my way! Woohoo!

That's great news, my friend!

Becca_H · 09-21-2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Face

Had my first day of a new job today.

So that's Step One complete in my diabolical "Plan to get a proper job, save up for my own place, and then save up for SRS ASAP" plan.

It was less than $100 that I earned today, but at this point in the plan, what I really need is to make a good impression so that I can get more permanent (and more hours) work.

Just thought I'd share. I'm no longer stagnating! I'm on my way! Woohoo!

Congratulations

And the UK has just started a consultation on 'X' passports, too. We don't like to be beaten by the Australians, you see.

Cliff Face · 09-22-2011, 04:12 AM

It's the Ashes test series all over again.

Mara · 09-22-2011, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Face

Just thought I'd share. I'm no longer stagnating! I'm on my way! Woohoo!

Yay!!!

Congrats and *hugs*!

Cliff Face · 09-22-2011, 02:20 PM

Thanks.

It's not the most stimulating job, but it's a start.

I assume that if I managed to work my way up this company's ranks I'd wind up doing more than just working the register.

My favourite thing about retail is the variety, and so far I haven't had that. It's only been 2 days, but I've been told that, at least up until Christmas, all I'll be doing is register duties. Of course, there's more than just scanning items and taking money - there's also keeping things stocked near the register, and doing some other small tasks when there's nobody flashing cash in my face. Granted, I haven't been taught how to do that yet...

But like I said - it's only been 2 days.

The staff are heaps friendly, which is a big plus.

*keeps on keeping on*

(Thanks for the support everyone.

)

Kim Fierce · 09-23-2011, 12:49 AM

Check out my latest column, celebrating the repeal of Don't Ask, Dont Tell!

http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/g....php?AID=33876

If you would like to view the whole newspaper, go to windycitytimes.com and download the PDF version of this historic issue!

Cliff Face · 09-24-2011, 05:02 AM

So I had another dream where I was female.

This time I was getting intimate with the lesbian who I was totally in love with once upon a time, who didn't think of me as a sexual person. It was so validating!

It didn't go any further than a couple of kisses and some general touching, but it felt sooooo damn good.

So I woke up this morning in quite a good mood.

Kim Fierce · 09-24-2011, 10:34 AM

I have had dreams of being male . . . :-O

But I am totally female. And lesbian. And right now very confused. I have the awesomeness of having two other lesbians around my age on my shift and another who comes in the shift after. We have all gone to a gay bar together, along with my wife (and brought a couple of straight friends!) and it's really cool. My problem is, other people at work seem to think that I am different from the others. The main reason: I have long hair and they have short. I dress in men's clothes, but also some women's but mostly that is just jeans because I'm too short for men's pants and too round now post-pregnancy for boy's! (I don't wear any of the revealing low cut feminine shirts, prefer T-shirts and etc.)

When I first came out at 18 I ended up chopping all my hair off and everyone thought I was butch then. Now I have long hair and don't "look" gay to everyone anymore, (unless I have a day where I really go all out with eccentric clothing . . .which I do like to do.) So why do other people think it's ok to talk shit about gay people or bi people or someone they think looks more butch than others, and the message seems to be "you're not like those other gay people"? Yes I am! I guess I feel like, just my stupid hair somehow makes me look more "normal" seeming to others, and if that's all it is, and if they really need to know that I am just like others that get teased, maybe I should just shave it all off! I should stop caring about what other people think, but I'm tired of hearing people say things around me that I know they don't say around the others.

Cliff Face · 09-24-2011, 12:37 PM

My advice would be to not change yourself based on what other people say/think.

But it's entirely up to you. If you want to seem more "lesbian" than you currently do, do whatever you think is necessary. But the opinions of others aren't as important as your own opinion.

At least, that's what I tell myself.

night-flyer · 09-24-2011, 12:52 PM

I've never been in here before, but I agree with Cliff. FWIW.

I don't see how short or long hair, or looks in general can be used to decide if someone is gay or not. Being gay doesn't automatically lump you and everyone else that is gay into one person. We are all our own person. With our own looks and thoughts. It would be like saying all heterosexual women have long hair.

I say be who you are and forget what anyone else says. As Cliff said, your opinion is the only one that really matters.

Becca_H · 09-24-2011, 03:04 PM

Society tries its hardest to define "gay" and "straight" with physical characteristics. It's just how society works.

Hair length has no correlation whatsoever to sexuality. I've seen girls with very short hair and general "lesbian looks." They're straight.

If you want long hair, have long hair. It doesn't define your sexuality and you shouldn't allow people to think it does. People like to think they can make judgments and decisions about others. It's only instinctive.

Kim Fierce · 09-24-2011, 11:16 PM

I'm not sure what it is that made me so confused about this, just that I've heard several people make negative remarks around me lately and I don't know why. Then they look at me and basically say "Oh, I didn't mean to offend you, I wasn't talking about you, just about all these other people and you aren't like them." But I AM!

But, I think I'm going to go with my original haircut plan, taking it to shoulder-length, and dying it reddish brown!

Shadow Dragon · 09-24-2011, 11:24 PM

Lewis Black talks about Chaz Bono's appearance on Dancing With the Stars:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...ica-s-children

It's in the second half of the video. I love his reaction to the outcry against Chaz.

Cliff Face · 09-25-2011, 02:20 AM

That video is unavailable in my region... Grr. Stupid international politics.

Kim Fierce · 09-27-2011, 10:18 AM

Soo, I have shoulder length auburn hair now. Screw stupid people! :-D

Blaze · 09-27-2011, 02:27 PM

Hi umm there. I am suffering from confusion and not 100% sure if i fit in this group or not. All I know is I am a girl who is in love with things for blokes like cars and football. I LOVE cars. I hope maybe there is way to understand myself and perhaps someone on here could help me understand.

Kim Fierce · 09-29-2011, 04:35 AM

Hi, I'm pretty sure you will be welcomed here no matter what! I wouldn't say liking things guys like is necessarily indicative of anything, but if you feel like you want to hang out here and ask questions go right ahead!

Cliff Face · 09-29-2011, 10:38 AM

Seconded.

Diana Hignutt · 09-29-2011, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaze

Hi umm there. I am suffering from confusion and not 100% sure if i fit in this group or not. All I know is I am a girl who is in love with things for blokes like cars and football. I LOVE cars. I hope maybe there is way to understand myself and perhaps someone on here could help me understand.

How about just be yourself, search your feelings deeply, don't worry about other's opinions and go from there? And we'll be here to talk to whenever you need.

Welcome.

Becca_H · 09-29-2011, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diana Hignutt

How about just be yourself, search your feelings deeply, don't worry about other's opinions and go from there? And we'll be here to talk to whenever you need.

Welcome.

This.

And my advice is: don't try to label yourself. People try too hard to label themselves and it can be damaging. You are you. Labels are optional, if they describe exactly how you feel. They often don't.

09-17-2011, 10:46 PM	#602
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	[QUOTE=Becca_H;6555104]There are advantages to it. Only a very, very lucky few look passable straight after transition. Most of us had/have the awful purgatory moment where it's obvious we're trans, or sometimes worse than that. And there are horror stories of transwomen going through immigration control and the officers pull them because they "look like a man but dress like a woman and this is a woman's document so this is probably a false passport." Generally very distressing and embarrassing. An 'X' solves that, at least right at the beginning.QUOTE] I'd been wondering what thoughts would be like on this. My first thought was that a trans person wouldn't want to be an "X", but whichever gender they prefer, M or F. Either that, or no gender distinction at all. But if this will help trans people from being harassed then good going! __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13

09-21-2011, 11:15 AM	#605
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	Had my first day of a new job today. So that's Step One complete in my diabolical "Plan to get a proper job, save up for my own place, and then save up for SRS ASAP" plan. It was less than $100 that I earned today, but at this point in the plan, what I really need is to make a good impression so that I can get more permanent (and more hours) work. Just thought I'd share. I'm no longer stagnating! I'm on my way! Woohoo! __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-22-2011, 04:12 AM	#608
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	It's the Ashes test series all over again. __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-22-2011, 02:20 PM	#610
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	Thanks. It's not the most stimulating job, but it's a start. I assume that if I managed to work my way up this company's ranks I'd wind up doing more than just working the register. My favourite thing about retail is the variety, and so far I haven't had that. It's only been 2 days, but I've been told that, at least up until Christmas, all I'll be doing is register duties. Of course, there's more than just scanning items and taking money - there's also keeping things stocked near the register, and doing some other small tasks when there's nobody flashing cash in my face. Granted, I haven't been taught how to do that yet... But like I said - it's only been 2 days. The staff are heaps friendly, which is a big plus. keeps on keeping on (Thanks for the support everyone. ) __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-23-2011, 12:49 AM	#611
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	Check out my latest column, celebrating the repeal of Don't Ask, Dont Tell! http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/g....php?AID=33876 If you would like to view the whole newspaper, go to windycitytimes.com and download the PDF version of this historic issue! __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13

09-19-2011, 10:45 AM	#604
DancingMaenid New kid, be gentle! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1,690	I think people should be able to put the gender they identify as (though yeah, there are some practical concerns to that, sometimes). One thing I really like about the "X" option, though, is that it could be really good for those of us who identity as something other than male or female. I can't be honest when there are only two gender options listed, and I wish this became a widespread option, while also allowing binary-identified trans people to put male or female.

09-24-2011, 05:02 AM	#612
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	So I had another dream where I was female. This time I was getting intimate with the lesbian who I was totally in love with once upon a time, who didn't think of me as a sexual person. It was so validating! It didn't go any further than a couple of kisses and some general touching, but it felt sooooo damn good. So I woke up this morning in quite a good mood. __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-24-2011, 10:34 AM	#613
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	I have had dreams of being male . . . :-O But I am totally female. And lesbian. And right now very confused. I have the awesomeness of having two other lesbians around my age on my shift and another who comes in the shift after. We have all gone to a gay bar together, along with my wife (and brought a couple of straight friends!) and it's really cool. My problem is, other people at work seem to think that I am different from the others. The main reason: I have long hair and they have short. I dress in men's clothes, but also some women's but mostly that is just jeans because I'm too short for men's pants and too round now post-pregnancy for boy's! (I don't wear any of the revealing low cut feminine shirts, prefer T-shirts and etc.) When I first came out at 18 I ended up chopping all my hair off and everyone thought I was butch then. Now I have long hair and don't "look" gay to everyone anymore, (unless I have a day where I really go all out with eccentric clothing . . .which I do like to do.) So why do other people think it's ok to talk shit about gay people or bi people or someone they think looks more butch than others, and the message seems to be "you're not like those other gay people"? Yes I am! I guess I feel like, just my stupid hair somehow makes me look more "normal" seeming to others, and if that's all it is, and if they really need to know that I am just like others that get teased, maybe I should just shave it all off! I should stop caring about what other people think, but I'm tired of hearing people say things around me that I know they don't say around the others. __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13 Last edited by Kim Fierce; 09-24-2011 at 11:04 AM.

09-24-2011, 12:37 PM	#614
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	My advice would be to not change yourself based on what other people say/think. But it's entirely up to you. If you want to seem more "lesbian" than you currently do, do whatever you think is necessary. But the opinions of others aren't as important as your own opinion. At least, that's what I tell myself. __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-24-2011, 12:52 PM	#615
night-flyer One cow, two cows, three... Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 31,628	I've never been in here before, but I agree with Cliff. FWIW. I don't see how short or long hair, or looks in general can be used to decide if someone is gay or not. Being gay doesn't automatically lump you and everyone else that is gay into one person. We are all our own person. With our own looks and thoughts. It would be like saying all heterosexual women have long hair. I say be who you are and forget what anyone else says. As Cliff said, your opinion is the only one that really matters. __________________ <--blog twitter & fb (for a friend) WIP- One of Us, SF/Horror

09-24-2011, 03:04 PM	#616
Becca_H Where am I again? Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 523	Society tries its hardest to define "gay" and "straight" with physical characteristics. It's just how society works. Hair length has no correlation whatsoever to sexuality. I've seen girls with very short hair and general "lesbian looks." They're straight. If you want long hair, have long hair. It doesn't define your sexuality and you shouldn't allow people to think it does. People like to think they can make judgments and decisions about others. It's only instinctive.

09-24-2011, 11:16 PM	#617
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	I'm not sure what it is that made me so confused about this, just that I've heard several people make negative remarks around me lately and I don't know why. Then they look at me and basically say "Oh, I didn't mean to offend you, I wasn't talking about you, just about all these other people and you aren't like them." But I AM! But, I think I'm going to go with my original haircut plan, taking it to shoulder-length, and dying it reddish brown! __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13 Last edited by Kim Fierce; 09-24-2011 at 11:18 PM.

09-24-2011, 11:24 PM	#618
Shadow Dragon the philosophical pegasus Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In the land of dragons Posts: 3,537	Lewis Black talks about Chaz Bono's appearance on Dancing With the Stars: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...ica-s-children It's in the second half of the video. I love his reaction to the outcry against Chaz. __________________ "There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." - Socrates

09-25-2011, 02:20 AM	#619
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	That video is unavailable in my region... Grr. Stupid international politics. __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

09-27-2011, 10:18 AM	#620
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	Soo, I have shoulder length auburn hair now. Screw stupid people! :-D __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13

09-27-2011, 02:27 PM	#621
Blaze figuring it all out Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 67	Hi umm there. I am suffering from confusion and not 100% sure if i fit in this group or not. All I know is I am a girl who is in love with things for blokes like cars and football. I LOVE cars. I hope maybe there is way to understand myself and perhaps someone on here could help me understand. Last edited by Blaze; 09-28-2011 at 05:38 PM.

09-29-2011, 04:35 AM	#622
Kim Fierce Attack me with everything you have. Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,100	Hi, I'm pretty sure you will be welcomed here no matter what! I wouldn't say liking things guys like is necessarily indicative of anything, but if you feel like you want to hang out here and ask questions go right ahead! __________________ No Turning Back, YA Contemporary Watch the book trailer Amelia's Revolution --steampunk short "Two-Spirit's Red Road" 6-09-13! The Divide: Uprising YA Dystopia The Divide: Unity -- in progress My Secret Pain --YA short, 8-?-13

09-29-2011, 10:38 AM	#623
Cliff Face Look at me! I'm a guitar! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Siiieeeddd! (Hint: Australia) Posts: 28,281	Seconded. __________________ Main WIPs The Enchanted City - need to write synopsis and query and submit. In other words, I've finished editing it. (Thank Goddess!) The Dead Of Winter - going to resume editing soon. The Anger That Drives Me To Heresy - need to start editing if I have time. I have a query here for The Enchanted City. (Password: vista) Any comments appreciated.

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