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Old 08-06-2011, 05:08 AM   #1726
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Yep. I'm thinking Dashiell Hammett and Agatha Christi.

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Look at Dashell Hammett and Ray Chandler. Pay close attention to the way both handle words and scenes. I absolutely adore Chandler's way of describing an otherwise mundane scene with words that make me bolt upright from the visual.
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I really like your outline method, and i understand it's meant for really rough drafts, but i usually spend a good many days thinking and rethinking plot before beginning to write (i've been working on multiple projects at once so i always have something to write). Your thoughts?
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Old 08-12-2011, 02:04 AM   #1730
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Given the caveats...

a book written well, unique, interesting and totally awesome, could a book like Roots be written today and be published.

The book was like 900 pages, contained a story arc based on family suspense.

Is a book like that viable in this market?
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Good writing is always viable.

Don't reject your own story.

BTW, in the course of whoring after Hollywood Respectability, I have my first screen credit here: Yellowbrickroad. It's in teeny-tiny type, and it's all the way at the end in the final credits, but it's there.

How not to get an agent part #58309:

  • Writer leaves briefcase containing manuscript outside agent's door.
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  • Bomb squad blows up briefcase and manuscript.

We can only hope the writer kept a backup....
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:52 PM   #1734
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I know entirely too many authors who spent quite a bit of time and money later in their careers buying up and burning all the available copies of their first published novels.

The last time I submitted a story cold was the last time I submitted a short story, which would have been in 2007. I don't write short stories very often.

I wrote it on-line, which you might consider self-publishing (though we put it under a friends-lock at the time). What you can read there is my first draft, unedited by Doyle.

It sold to the first place we submitted it to, and subsequently was reprinted in a Best Of collection. You can read it in its finished version right now, self-published in a variety of e-publication formats.

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It's close to 1,000 pages of teeny-tiny print. There are authors who are left out. Bradbury, for example.

There's always a limit in space and time (you can hardly reprint the entire corpus). And in some cases the author, or their estates, either asked fees that far exceeded budget, or never got back in touch at all.

Doyle and I each have essays in the book (mine on Military SF, Doyle's on Writers' Workshops), and we have a reprinted story.
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Oh, I missed the essays, I only caught the story. Even better, then!
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Was this a writing credit? Or did you don the color and flavor of the silver screen?
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Good writing is always viable.

Don't reject your own story.
This, of course, begins with the supposition that good writing and Allen are relatively good friends, at least meet for coffee.

Do you think in this climate, at least the one three years from now, that a book of 1000 pages would be better to be split into several 300 page books? Or is this a question to ask after The End?
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Ask that question after "The End."

Then ask if your book can be divided into a trilogy or a series.
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Funny, the French used to be bonkers about violent American genre films -- Hitchcock, film noir, westerns, gangster films. Perhaps a disdain for American films reflects slippage in American influence. Or maybe Aliette needs more roughage in her diet.

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Fame at last! I'm mentioned (with my name misspelled) at the Great Orange Satan.

Also mentioned: Ted Sturgeon (who came up with Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crud").

Also, other amusing history of Novels in America.
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An amusing article (although I'd thought PA's cracks about SF/F writers came after the Atlanta Nights sting?) but the UMass Amherst hoax she leads with never would have worked. For one thing, they'd be unlikely to find anyone with lapels, and even more unlikely to find anyone who'd do much more than point them towards the administration building at the far end of campus. Still, would have been worth seeing the attempt. (-:
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