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Old 04-20-2012, 06:24 PM   #15801
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Hugs, Ink. Here's some pragmatic advice. Whatever structure you choose, when you sell this book, your editor may well have you rewrite it to fit another order. So keep the outlines and choose the structure that will get your agent to put it on sub for you. You can't sell it until you sub it.


The hypocrisy! The irony! I came into work today (at a business school) and I was given a t-shirt that I must wear to a team meeting. So my body is now emblazoned with an infographic boasting about all our C-level alumni in various industries, and by far the largest sector is finance.
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Kellion, ha! I loathe work-related/company stuff like that.

Thanks for the hugs and advice. Steve, the body count is going up but that's because I'm adding a couple scenes that the agent suggested. The rest is just about where to put the flashbacks/secondary timeline, which unfortunately, means anything "brief" just ain't gonna cut it. I'm gonna let it stew over the weekend and work on something else. Then if I don't have an epiphany, I might email agent lady with some questions.
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Good to know, DVI. Worst case, you just have to ask.

Excellent points, Kell on DOJ-B6. B6 acted illegally to shore up their profits, not for some high-minded notion to protect anyone but themselves. The problem is that the B6 haven't figured out a way to streamline the process and make physical book-making cheaper
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:25 PM   #15804
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(((Ink))) Go for outlining all three and see which feels right. But, also best to step away from it for a day or two.

(((Soul))) Okay, I laughed. I admit it. Sorry for the bird poop.

Red, why the heck not? I say, do it.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:29 PM   #15805
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Good plan Ink

Ugh ((Kellion)) I loathe all that rah rah yay company stuff

Hehe Red, yes my car def won the bird shat prize yesterday!

Snapps don't feel bad! I laughed my a$$ off yesterday when I saw it. Was hard to get the stuff off too, those birds meant business!
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Also, saw my sub list from agent today. And...

Can't decide if it looks good or terribly frightening.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:15 PM   #15807
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:33 PM   #15810
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I walked out this am to find a dead bird in my driveway, so what does that mean? I don't even get shat on anymore, I get blood, gore and death.

Ok, so I admit I'm cranky today. I started reading a well-known romance author who has been on the best-seller list with a gazillion books, and the entire thing so far is one big info dump. She's telling about this and that for paragraphs on end, and I'm like, Why even f-ing bother to show anything. Why don't I just write my books like a documentary and then I too, can pump them out three a year.

Obviously, if she's a best-selling author for years and years it must be what readers want, right?

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Old 04-20-2012, 08:36 PM   #15811
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LOL, Cat. In The Pit, even bird poop is an improvement
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:41 PM   #15812
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{{{Ink}}} I really like Red's idea. Also, some distance might be beneficial and provide you with some clarity.

Ugh, Kellion. I hate that kind of crap.

Soul,

Red, do it! Why not? Nothing to lose.

Muted yays for Snappy.

I've got nothin' here. *slurps coffee*

ETA: {{{Cat}}} Gross. I found a dead bird on our driveway a while back. Not fun. Btw, what's up with your front yard? Didn't a couple of cats drop dead as well??

I think we all know by now that we constantly hear "you can't do this" and "you can't do that" and then you read too many books that defy that advice. You can't win, so don't bother.

A+B does NOT=C in publishing.
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I think we all know by now that we constantly hear "you can't do this" and "you can't do that" and then you read too many books that defy that advice. You can't win, so don't bother.

A+B does NOT=C in publishing.
And we're are literally told, "Just keep doing the expected," even though obviously the big books are the ones that do the unexpected.

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Old 04-20-2012, 09:14 PM   #15814
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Thank all. It's actually my updated sub list. Been on sub since October. Hence, why it looks both elating and terrifying. LOL.The Rs do not help, but still in decent shape. Ahhh the gutterfly strikes!
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Ok, so I admit I'm cranky today. I started reading a well-known romance author who has been on the best-seller list with a gazillion books, and the entire thing so far is one big info dump. She's telling about this and that for paragraphs on end, and I'm like, Why even f-ing bother to show anything. Why don't I just write my books like a documentary and then I too, can pump them out three a year.

Obviously, if she's a best-selling author for years and years it must be what readers want, right?

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Is it one of her newer books? My guess is that if the answer is yes, it's because she's "allowed" to get away with it. Or maybe, I'm just cynical.
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Hey, I have a dead bird on my driveway too! It looks pretty bad. We didn't have time to bury it so the girls covered it with dandelions. Very Hunger Gamesesque.
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DUDE! What's with all the dead birds in the pitizen's lawns? You all are hard core

"Obviously, if she's a best-selling author for years and years it must be what readers want, right?" LOL CAT!!!!!!!
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Go Snappy!

I'm feeling left out of the dead bird club. With all the cats by us, you'd think I'd find plenty.
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This is a big time of year for dead birds, I think. We had one die on us the same time last year. Unfortunately, that one spent a day or two hopping around being sick and pathetic before expiring. This one had the decency to show up dead -- er, you know what I mean.

We'll put it in the bird cemetary this weekend, I guess.

Really, can the week be over now? If I got some good news, it would redeem it, but more bad news? Might as well get it over with. I just heard Bruce Springsteen's new song Wrecking Ball and thought, why not? Bring on your wrecking ball. I'm already on the floor.
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BWAHAHA Steve! So that's what's going on!
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You want some of my news, Kellion? Just got another pass. From an editor who had it my MS for almost a year now. Agent's nudging last week definitely shook out some news (of the pittish sort) this week.
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(((Ink))) That stinks, sorry. A year for an agented sub? What's up with these people? I didn't realize your agent had nudged. I fear nudges.

Lkp, I am laughing and crying for your poor little bird, who at least will be rejected no more.
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lkp, I don't know whether to laugh or weep at that.

Kellion, yeah, she nudged last week while home sick with the chicken pox. (Also fairly pittish.) Explains why two passes shook loose this week.
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