The Old Neverending PublishAmerica Thread (Publish America)

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TracySutterer & GaryRogers

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Hey, Ed

Hey Ed,

This board flows very quickly. Just in case you missed it - Please click on the link below:

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=210125#post210125

I'm off to the VA Hospital to get my head examined. They want to know what precipitated my signing with PublishAmerica.... While I am there, they are going see if they can remove the seven year contract from my butt. I would have done this sooner - However, you know how long it takes to get an appointment.

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Boob

Their boards are now pretty much totally populated with newbies, and it looks to me like they're revitalizing most of the same old tired schemes that their forebears have tried and failed with.

Wrong. Everyone is posting on the private board. :popcorn: Many who were banned have been re-instated. And well, some of us never left, nor were we banned. We hang out on the private board where you can`t see us...harrharr.

Boob.
 

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TracySutterer & ArgileStox said:
Hey Ed,

This board flows very quickly. Just in case you missed it - Please click on the link below:

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=210125#post210125

I'm off to the VA Hospital to get my head examined. They want to know what precipitated my signing with PublishAmerica.... While I am there, they are going see if they can remove the seven year contract from my butt. I would have done this sooner - However, you know how long it takes to get an appointment.

Argile Stox


Oooo Ooooo...if you can blame it on mental illness, you have an out!!! You have to be somewhat mentally stable to sign a contract.


Jenn
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Boob, I appreciate the info....

....as I have absolutely no idea what's being discussed on the private PA boards. Thanks for letting me know it is alive and well....
 

Boob

....as I have absolutely no idea what's being discussed on the private PA boards. Thanks for letting me know it is alive and well....

Loads of hot topics that would melt your Icee. :banana:
 

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Bad girl, whatcha gonna do?

I must have really been bad....I can view neither..public or private boards.

Bad girls move on to real publishers, and the other girls? They play make

believe in the merry old land of Poz..
 

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Well,

I just got back from the VA Hospital. There is nothing wrong with my head. However, in order to get the seven year contract out of my butt, I need to go to FT. Meade and consult with a specialist. They said this is nothing unusual, they see this all the time. In fact, one guy had an eighty year contract removed yesterday....

Argile Stox
 

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Trepanny Peck said:
Hurr, hurr...they said 'resonate'.
(re the Harlequin advertising info)

Yup, and I bet they said it first. PA had to find that word somewhere. But just think -- if they actually took the word from that post, then they _KNOW_ that other publishers spend money on advertising.

(Tongue firmly in cheek)
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You know, Boob......

Who really cares? If the PA Authors posting on PA's Private Board are in a state of "bury your head in the sand", as a PA Author, I say: "Let them". Reality will hit them soon enough when August rolls around. If the Private Board is in any way similar to the Public Board, we at AW are not missing a thing. Uncle Jim said it all in his line by line - for the moment they are beyond help. Sometimes their state of euphoria makes me laugh, other times I feel like crying BUT you cannot help people who are not willing to be helped. PA are "professional" liars. If you do not like that word PA, come and get me, I have all the proof needed.

I agree with Ed that if, like me, anyone needs help in getting away from PA, then AW is here for them. Those "in denial" we cannot help, time will do that after they have been insulted, laughed at and made to look like fools while PA rakes in THEIR money.

The people who are thinking about going with PA - now that is a different matter. I will continue to be very vocal
about the many reasons why it is a bad idea and I speak from experience. Listen up, I am not a "disgruntled author", I am, I hope, a reasonably intelligent person with the wits to see when I have been made a fool of. Sure, I fell for their line of "hogwash", now I want others to see it for what it is. PA Authors reading this go back and read Uncle Jim and Ed's posts line for line and then look in the nearest mirror, I hope you do not see one of the 11,000 "fools" who are still being suckered in by PA. I did, that's why I am here now.

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Actually, postshy...

...I receive copies of postings from the PA private boards everyday. Don't ask for them, either, most are eagerly sent by some there who would surprise many. Most are as dry as the public ones, and, if you think about it, they have to be. PA authors who bring up sensitive subjects there get their posts deleted just as quickly as they do out on their public boards.

Re PA, you can wish for them to be a real publisher, you can hope for them to be a real publisher, or you can even pretend that they're a real publisher. Bottom line, they're not even close, and no amount of revisionism can change that...
 
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James D. Macdonald said:
Infocenter was up late on a holiday evening. I suppose it's because evil never sleeps. But that's okay! It gives me a chance to put up a brand new line-by-line!

Here they are handing out a line of BS to a confused but still believing author:

I think the saddest of all is the poor author's reply:
"Thank you Info center for the reply. I suppose my best option is to forget about this source of a bookstore that will carry my book and offer me a signing.

If everything is a lie that they are telling me then I cannot feel comfortable with any arrangements they will offer. "

Rather than smell PA's very stinky, slick odor, this poor woman is turning her back on the very bookstore that tried to open her eyes to the realities of her scam printer. My heart bleeds for this new writer.

"PA: We treat authors a new way: We lie, cheat, and steal their dreams"
 

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Alas for that PA author. I'm going to comment on her followup-post from that thread. My dear author, if you read this, please know that I hold you personally in the highest regard.

Thank you Info center for the reply. I suppose my best option is to forget about this source of a bookstore that will carry my book and offer me a signing.

Infocenter's goal was to get you away from some people who a) knew the truth and b) were trying to tell it to you.
If everything is a lie that they are telling me then I cannot feel comfortable with any arrangements they will offer.

They were telling you the truth, and they'd gone to a great deal of trouble on your behalf. They're offering to take a chance on you. That's more than your publisher is willing to do.
This infuriates me! I have spent considerable time and money on visits to the store and in having posters and book marks made up in their name.
Do you imagine that any other bookstore, one where you aren't well-known and liked, will go to as much trouble on your behalf? All the other bookstores will have the same problems these fellows faced. Other PA authors could tell you the same ... if they weren't banned.
Okay I will now persue some other stores and prospects.

Don't think that the other stores will have any better results.
What is the discount they would get for 10 books then? Apparently that was what they wanted to order? They use a wholesaler so they say, but often order direct if they can get a better discount. I really have no idea how independent shops buy.
The discount they would get for 10 books would be 40%, if they ever got through to PublishAmerica, calling long-distance, with their credit card in their hand. And they'd have to pay shipping. And the books would be non-returnable. If PA ever got around to shipping them. $127.20 out of their pockets, when with other publishers their out-of-pocket costs would be zero.

They use a wholesaler "so they say"? Yes, they do. They clearly use Ingram, where the discount is 20% and the books are still non-returnable. $159.60 out of their pockets, and four weeks to get copies. Ingram owns Lighting Source and would have a pretty fair idea of how long it takes.

I'm sure they tried to order direct. No other reason for them to comment on the difficulty of getting through (which we've heard attested any number of times by others) and the unusual feature of PA not having an 800 order number (which we also know to be true).

Your local bookstore tried to tell you how independent stores buy. Please listen to them. They want you help you.

It's off to B&N or some other larger stores.

Oh, dear. Best of luck to you, but if PA hadn't deleted all the threads you'd already know what the reaction you'll get from B&N and the other larger stores will be. I suppose that the next you'll hear from Infocenter will be that the local B&N manager is just being a poopiehead. Some time after that you'll get your first "don't take that tone with us" letter.

Really, your best bet is to work with that local bookstore. They tried very hard on your behalf. They're your friends and they're on your side. Things aren't going to be better elsewhere.
 
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Ed Williams said:
Whatever the case, my mission is to try and stop any new authors from signing with PA to begin with, and to help any who have signed that want to get away from them. Some are going to choose to stay loyal to them and that's their right, remember, there are still people in this world who support Amway and send in donations to Reverend Ike...

. . . and become repeat semi-finalists in International Library of Poetry contests.

I wonder if a lot of wannabe poets would have even published their books of poetry (with a certain dubious publisher) if they hadn't been semi-finalists so often in the ILP.

On the back of a rather tedious but gruesome PA novel that I tried to read (didn't buy it—borrowed it from a friend), the author proudly proclaimed her ILP semi-finalist status. In fact, she used her poem in the novel.

Last year, I tried to warn the new-PA author that I know about ILP. I told her that my dog's poem (Yeah, it was doggerel!) was posted on poetry.com and having her poems posted there didn't help her literary reputation. She said she'd try to get them removed. Well, hers are still there, but my dog's poem is gone.

(Please note: While he considered it, my dog has neither written nor submitted a PA novel. He has standards.)
 

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well, some of us never left, nor were we banned. We hang out on the private board where you can`t see us...harrharr.

Is that "Harrr" in your best pirate voice? "Harr matey, prepare to be boarded!"
 

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Wrong. Everyone is posting on the private board. :popcorn: Many who were banned have been re-instated. And well, some of us never left, nor were we banned. We hang out on the private board where you can`t see us...harrharr.

Boob.


Technically Boob, I'm afraid the Private Boards aren't as private as you or other PA authors might think.

A few months ago, while I was ranting and raving against one of my fellow PA'ers over on those exact boards, I noticed a post from someone calling him/herself simply 'guest.' It said (And I quote):

"The truth shall set you free."

This was in response to someone criticizing PA on a major thread of their Private Boards.

Up to that point--and beyond that point until now--I have not seen 'guest' ever on those boards.

So the PA Private Boards, so far as I can tell, are not all that private after all. If someone can come in and post without being a PA author....well....I think you pretty well get what I'm saying.
 

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I can still post and view the private board at PA. It's the same uninteresting crap that is on the public board. Same newbies asking the same questions and Big Brother stepping in every now and again to tell them that everybody in the entire industry is a liar except for PA.

I need an asprin.

BA
 

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Important Message From Argile Stox

As you well know, I wrote a Memoir: Computer-End Program ISBN 1-4137-2496-5 concerning my nightmare of Homelessness in New York City. I was reading the Public Message Board and found a Post by Michael Fox who is currently experiencing the same.

His Blog is:

http://www.homelessinroanoke.blogspot.com/

I have been in e-mail contact with him, and have advised where to get help in his area. I don't know if he will follow my suggestions - When you are in that situation it is difficult to get motivated, and hope does not spring eternal.

Please visit his Blog, and e-mail him [email protected] if you are anywhere within his local area and advise if there are any employment opportunities in his area.

Thanks, guys. I just have a soft spot for PublishAmerica authors who are Homeless and wondering the streets of America.

Honor & Respect For You,

Argile Stox

 
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Uncle Jim is making an excellent point...

...if PublishAmerica is a real publisher, then please explain:

1. Why do they not have an easy-to-find place on their website for bookstores wishing to place orders?

2. Why do they not offer a toll-free number for bookstore orders?

Seems to me the tiniest legit publishers in the world offer those kinda things...
 

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PA Author Ordering Information...

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]...if PA is a legit publisher, why do they have this information posted on their site - they're not encouraging authors to buy their own books, are they?[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Attention Authors:
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You must call or mail in your order if you wish to receive your discount. If you choose to mail in your order, please calculate your total based on the retail price and not the special price, as stated in your contract. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Orders placed in the online store will not be given the discount. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The system automatically charges your credit card and the process cannot be undone once you click the submit button and obtain an order number.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Note: To ensure that your book is being printed properly, we would prefer not to place large orders until you have received your free author
Note the attention to detail and clarity, one of the many things that makes PA so unique in the traditional publishing world... [/font]​
 
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~~The system automatically charges your credit card and the process cannot be undone once you click the submit button and obtain an order number. ~~

What the heck? Anything with PA is engraved in stone and no boo-boo can ever be fixed?:faint:
(oh yea, I forgot...that would take EDITING and CORRECTING...and that is a bozo no-no in PAville.

~~[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Note: To ensure that your book is being printed properly, we would prefer not to place large orders until you have received your free author (copies).~~ [/font]

:Smack: Oh yea...I forgot! There's always the question of quality with PA. Take NOTHING for granted!
**Guess this wasn't an issue when orders for my book went out LONG before I even SAW my author's copies. Talk about an anticlimactic moment!
 

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Universe Man, Universe Man

Just a thought, and apologies if this is off-topic, but Mr. Theory of Everything strikes me as one in the great tradition of English eccentrics, as found on Monty Python and real life. Anyone remember the skit about the fellow who claimed to have written all of Shakespeare's plays "and me wife wrote his sonnets"? A couple of years ago, in England, there was a fellow outside the National Gallery handing out flyers explaining how he was the real painter of the Raphael Madonna the Nat'l Gall. was trying to buy, and how his brother was cheating him out of his share of the scam.
Breaking a bookshop window (or thinking of it as a reasonable option) sounds entirely in keeping with an English eccentric's behaviour. Perhaps he'll end up outside the PA building handing out flyers about how they are repressing his breakthrough by making it hard to order his book.
Oh, and I note that the other Theory of Everything author took 124 pages to explain it all, while jck does it in 79.
-Barbara
 
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