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Forgive my ignorant take on this publisher, but I did not see any line for SF or fantasy. I couldn't find it on their website.

Currently at Samhain any submissions of SFF must have strong romantic elements. It doesn't have to be a romance, but must have strong romantic elements.

The website has changed and it's not as easy to find the "Romantic Elements" section anymore. But SFF comes under the catagory of "Romantic Elements" and also under the catagory of "Paranormal and Alternate Worlds" on the website.
 
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Interesting. The bit about 'ad buys no longer effective' gives me pause, because the common wisdom has been that well-targeted ads can reach distributors, major review sites, and other important venues most single authors cannot. If Samhain can't do that anymore, what then? I'm noticing lower convention sponsorship and presence from these small, mostly digital presses, too.

I'm actually glad Samhain closed to new subs, for now. Maybe it will give them some space to regroup.

Also wondering how much of this romance industry change is due to Big Five imprints and strong independent publishers pushing into the erotic romance territories. Because those folks are still doing ad buys.
 
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Small press is getting squeezed from both sides: authors wanting big houses or self-publishing.

The ad thing concerns me, too, though it suggests that they weren't using their ad buys effectively enough.

I really hope this slump is temporary for them because I love their books.
 

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I can't remember my log-ins to any of my author loops (I HATE YahooGroups!) - if there's another Samhain author reading this, can you tell me if anything's been mentioned on the author loops? (PM is fine, if you prefer).
 

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I can't remember my log-ins to any of my author loops (I HATE YahooGroups!) - if there's another Samhain author reading this, can you tell me if anything's been mentioned on the author loops? (PM is fine, if you prefer).

I haven't seen anything either, but I unsubbed from a few of the groups.

Honestly, I'm not going to panic at this point. It's concerning, certainly, but I don't feel like the sky is falling at this point. The industry is changing. Samhain is, it seems, adapting. Publishers temporarily close to submissions all the time (and they are still taking submissions from existing authors, so it isn't like the whole shop has ground to a halt).

Is the overhead of maintaining an office necessary with a largely digital company? Are the advertising decisions showing too little return and need to be re-evaluated? I'm inclined to say it's a good sign that Samhain is looking into these things, evaluating how their company operates, and making changes as needed.

Obviously I'm not privy to things going on behind the scenes. I have no idea if this is just some reshuffling to adapt to a changing industry, or if there are actual problems that could worsen in 2016. Based on what's happening right now, I'm inclined to wait and see. I'm still working for them. I'm still getting paid on time and in full. My books are still going through production at their normal pace.

So, we'll see how things go.
 

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I think it's a great move on their part, far more responsible than the nonsense EC got up to. I love Samhain books, and I'm not worried about future subs. My agent knows them well. The ad thingy...we'll have to see, on that front.

Industries change all the time, and new or tweaked business models force out old ones. I'm kinda happy to see Big Five imprints getting out of their Maiden Aunt romance phase. I'm also thrilled to see well-done self-published books. Will that happen at the expense of some small-presses that may have been resting on their laurels too much? Probably, though publishing is not as much of a zero sum game as some people like to portray it as.
 

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I'm still waiting for my contract from Samhain. My manuscript was accepted by Don D'Auria, who is no longer there unfortunately, but I've talked to my new editor via email, and she sounds great. Every small publisher I've been with (five so far) has had to restructure in some way. It's a natural, although sometimes disconcerting, part of the publishing business.
 

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Small press is getting squeezed from both sides: authors wanting big houses or self-publishing.

I totally agree with this. I'm seeing more of a black and white in the industry. Either you're self-publishing or looking for that Big Five hit. Those of us in the small press (what might be considered the gray area), and for the most part, self-indie publishing are suffering a tad. I do see this reflection in sales. I wish it weren't so. There are exceptions to this rule, considering the small or indie press, too. Samhain is certainly one of the exceptions, with a score more successful independent publishers out there. Samhain has always been top of my list for one of the big indies. I hope they stay around for a long time.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily see a small press closing temporarily to external submissions and going virtual instead of renting office space as cause for concern. Given what we've seen with at least one other romance e-press (y'all know who I'm talking about), I would see it as more concerning if Samhain *wasn't* taking these measures. The fact that they are shows they're aware of problems and are trying to solve them before the entire company and all its authors are detrimentally impacted.
 

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I'm actually glad Samhain closed to new subs, for now. Maybe it will give them some space to regroup.

I really hope this slump is temporary for them because I love their books.

I wouldn't necessarily see a small press closing temporarily to external submissions and going virtual instead of renting office space as cause for concern. Given what we've seen with at least one other romance e-press (y'all know who I'm talking about), I would see it as more concerning if Samhain *wasn't* taking these measures. The fact that they are shows they're aware of problems and are trying to solve them before the entire company and all its authors are detrimentally impacted.
^Same.

If they're having problems, I'm glad that they're addressing those problems. They're one of my favorite publishers to buy from and I hope they sort things out. They've closed before, haven't they? I googled "Samhain submissions closed" and found blog posts from 2007 and 2009.
 

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I hope this is a sign they can regroup because if not, we're losing so many of these independent small presses. Every time I am getting ready to submit to a place, they close submissions or start to fall apart. Discouraging.
 

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Oh, dear. :( I'm hoping everything will be fine, and the authors still get paid as this goes on...

I don't buy as much MxM stuff anymore, but I have enjoyed some MxM series from Samhain in the past when MxM presses were starting up. I really enjoyed its selections (even if most are erotic for my taste). The writing was really good in the books I've read from Samhain in the past.

Really great epub with some great books. I hope they stay the course and stay alive, and that their restructuring goes well. :)
 
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I read a lot of Samhain books. Here are ten of my favorites, in no order than the random order in my library. Where I've picked a book other than the first in a series, I actually started with that book and found it a good place to start. For some reason, the first book I read by an author often remains my very favorite by them.

1. Cat Johnson, Flanked. He's a bull rider with a not-so-teensy medical problem. She's smoking hot and has great medical insurance. Will their marriage of convenience stay…convenient?
2. Vivi Andrews, The Exorcist. He's an exorcist tired of women summoning demons just so they can hire him. She's the office's new receptionist, who's not what he thinks she is.
3. Kelly Jamieson, Jilted. This is part of a four-book, four author series about the groom, the bride, the maid of honor, and the best man—and who they wind up with. In this case, he's been left at the altar by his bride-to-be. She's the ex-girlfriend and former best friend of the now-vanished bride. Can they work past what drove them apart the first time?
4. Lauren Gallagher, The Princess and the Porn Star. She's a pop star trying to stage a comeback, and her producers have hired a porn star, Buck Harder, to co-star in her next music video. What could possibly go wrong?
5. Ruby McNally, Singe. Ruby likes one of my favorite tropes: where the h/h can't get far enough apart. In this case, they're both firefighters at the same station, trying to track down an arsonist. She's the chief's daughter, and he knows more than he should about arson.
6. Jackie Ashenden, Living in Sin. She's a recovered cancer patient who had to sacrifice her ballet career. He's older and cynical. She's got a month to seduce him, but he's really good at saying no….
7. Lou Harper, Secrets and Ink. He's a clerk at a gourmet grocery store, finally having found some stability after being a troubled teen. The other hero's a cop who has a crush on said grocery store clerk, coming into the store far too regularly. Catch is, once they get their clothes off, the cop realizes he's arrested the guy before…back when he was a troubled teen.
8. Sydney Somers, Trust Me. I remember texting a friend of mine funny dialogue from this while I was reading it, and we've used some of that as a running gag ever since. Sydney also wrote one of the books in the same series as Jilted.
9. Mary Hughes, Biting Me Softly. She's a programmer at a blood bank, because of course she is. He is (you're way ahead of me, I can tell) a vampire. This was the first Samhain title I read—way back when I thought there wasn't a market for humorous erotic romance vampire books. Lesson learned.
10. Lauren Gallagher, The Virgin Cowboy Billionaire's Secret Baby. I'll admit that I'm not a fan of the "secret baby" trope, in part because it generally involves dishonesty on the part of the woman involved. That said, a virgin secret baby trope is pretty cool.

There were sooooooo many writers and books I love but didn't include, like Cat Grant, and Lauren Gallagher's M/M counterpart L. A. Witt (recently finished reading Not Safe for Work). Also didn't include Lexxie Couper's Heart of Fame series. Or the fact that I'm addicted to Erin Nicholas.

Maybe some other day.
 
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I can't remember my log-ins to any of my author loops (I HATE YahooGroups!) - if there's another Samhain author reading this, can you tell me if anything's been mentioned on the author loops? (PM is fine, if you prefer).

I've only just heard about the Dear Author article via one of the author loops, so no. The only thing we knew about was the Don mention, which has already been discussed up-thread. From an author's perspective, it's interesting that DA published this "news" as a blind item with no mention of a source for the lease renewal or closed submissions status. I want to know how they know this is happening, because no one at Samhain has told we authors anything.

But as others have said, I'm not going to panic over it. I've only had one late check in the three and a half years I've published with them (thanks to a software blip, I think), but I did get paid. I have two books scheduled for next year, and more I plan to submit. Hopefully this is just growing pains, and the company will come out of it all the stronger.
 

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I've only just heard about the Dear Author article via one of the author loops, so no. The only thing we knew about was the Don mention, which has already been discussed up-thread. From an author's perspective, it's interesting that DA published this "news" as a blind item with no mention of a source for the lease renewal or closed submissions status. I want to know how they know this is happening, because no one at Samhain has told we authors anything.

But as others have said, I'm not going to panic over it. I've only had one late check in the three and a half years I've published with them (thanks to a software blip, I think), but I did get paid. I have two books scheduled for next year, and more I plan to submit. Hopefully this is just growing pains, and the company will come out of it all the stronger.

It sounds like DA got it from an editor - and it makes some sense to me that editors would be told before authors, but now that the cat's out of the bag, I'd hope Samhain would be sending something out to authors pretty soon.

I agree, I haven't heard anything that's cause for panic, and adjusting to the market is the sign of a responsible business, but I think they need to get in front of this. In the absence of official news, rumours will fly. Reading the comments from the DA page makes me think some authors aren't taking things quite as calmly as the AW gang!
 

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So it's being released to the public before it's being disclosed to authors? That's--not my favourite thing.

I mean, maybe they're trying to treat it as just some incidental detail, nothing that authors currently with the company should worry about, since it won't affect us. But then an e-mail (or a post on the damn loop, although I hate the things and don't see why an e-mail list wouldn't be a better option) could TELL authors it's not a big deal.

As it is, I feel like the lack of disclosure is making this feel like a larger issue than I hope it really is.
 

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So it's being released to the public before it's being disclosed to authors? That's--not my favourite thing.

I mean, maybe they're trying to treat it as just some incidental detail, nothing that authors currently with the company should worry about, since it won't affect us. But then an e-mail (or a post on the damn loop, although I hate the things and don't see why an e-mail list wouldn't be a better option) could TELL authors it's not a big deal.

As it is, I feel like the lack of disclosure is making this feel like a larger issue than I hope it really is.

Can't argue with any of what you said.

Personally, I hate email loops, but announce lists are fine. It would have been nice if that had happened first.

Samhain has closed to unagented submissions before. So have other publishers.

Is DA simply trying to drum up drama where none exists?

It's a relatively small item in a daily news roundup. I don't see it as huge, simply informational. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Authors have apparently been sent a message, now, so that's good.

I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm told it's on its way.
 

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I received it. Not sure if it can be posted publicly, so I won't, but it did confirm what I suspected -- that this isn't a crisis, and is just a business making adjustments.
 

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I received it. Not sure if it can be posted publicly, so I won't, but it did confirm what I suspected -- that this isn't a crisis, and is just a business making adjustments.

I'm very glad to hear that.

It sounded very different than what Ellora's Cave went through 16 months ago, that's for sure.