Hey Tiffanie, would you edit the spoilery stuff out in the gray box? It's pretty visible with the white text. LOL. I wish it didn't do that, and I wish there was a better way to include spoilers. Booo.....
So far, in the past two season, the second to the last episode has always been the climax episode, with the last episode setting up the events for the next season.
I found the Jon/Ygritte scene to be very sexy, probably because there was emotion there, a consummation of the sparks we saw from day 1.
Robb's woman, on the other hand, is just a reminder of what's to come and, yeah . . . sexy isn't the word that pops into my head there. (Which is projecting because of the books, I know!)
Well, I'd completely forgotten about Robb and Talisa's sex scene (scenes? see I can't even remember). I was having a hard time caring about his plot at this point in the books, so in the show? Idk. But yes, I would not be creeped out by people finding their scene sexy, and that is a pretty good measure for "sexy" on this show.
Yeah. Excellent episode with its sexualized death of a female character literally killed off the reinforce what we already know about two male characters. Because her glimmers of character development really warranted two arrows in the crotch while tied to a bed in a see-through dress to let us know, again, that Joffrey's insane.
Yeah. Excellent episode with its sexualized death of a female character literally killed off the reinforce what we already know about two male characters. Because her glimmers of character development really warranted two arrows in the crotch while tied to a bed in a see-through dress to let us know, again, that Joffrey's insane.
Ugh, truth. I actually feel a little queasy about the whole Ros thing. Not in a "oh, this is so fun and creepy" way, but in a "oh, I might actually throw up" way.
I almost forgot about the encounter with Melisandre and Arya by the end. Which I actually liked.
<spoiler> I wonder if this is a way to keep him in the show for awhile longer, or at least bring him back someday, as it seems he's going to replace Edric Storm. Didn't Davos send Edric to the Free Cities to save him from getting sacrificed to the Lord of Light? It seems unlikely to me that they'll actually kill Gendry, because then Mel and Stannis would have little reason to head up towards the Wall for Dance with Dragons. Maybe he'll chill with Shireen for a hot minute and then make an appearance in Braavos with Arya somewhere down the road. (Wishful thinking? Hell yes.) </spoiler>
Well that was depressing. Completely killed my "I called it on Gendry" high.
I suspect this wasn't about character building at all.
Considering the episode that's up next, I think this was more of a "No one is safe" warning. They haven't killed off many female characters before... the only couple I can think of are Dany's handmaid and septa Mordane, who were both relatively minor.
Roz and a certain other character who is going to feature highly in the next episode are more like mid-listers. I think this was a calculated move, in order to put the edge on next week's "festivities."
While I was almost physically ill when we saw that character's fate, I absolutely took that as a set up for what's to come. Because let's face it: what happened to that character ain't the worst of what's to happen -- not by far.
Who else appreciated the finger skin-flaying in the torture scene? If viewers have been paying attention, that's a nod to a particular banner, which would then make it clear who the torturer is. (Loving the added scenes with him and Theon.) I hugely appreciate how much the added scenes (that is, the scenes that are original to the TV series) are fleshing out the overall story. Everything that's to come for the RW will mean even more because of all the additional face time we've been getting all around.
Olena and Arya steal every scene they're in. And I'm hugely enjoying the interplay between Osha and Meera.
So which character scares you the most? I'm thinking Littlefinger is at the top of my list.
Actually, since they did such a quick cut to Ros's end, it was nasty and prurient, but also a reinforcement of the basic GRRM tenet of Nobody's Safe.
On the other hand, I got sick to my stomach when Theon was getting tortured at much longer length and in much greater detail. I had to fast-forward--I couldn't watch. I hope no one said anything actually germane to the plot during that .
And I get really bad vertigo, so the Wall scenes were hard to watch, too.
On the other hand, though it's not my favorite episode, it was still pretty good. When Bolton told Jaime that Brienne wouldn't be going with him...can't wait for the play out of that .
There was no Dani this week and considering how long in the books it takes her to move from city state to city state, I would be surprised if HBO shows more than a brief glimpse of what is going on with her for the next few seasons. While Dani and her Dragons are major plot points, Westros is where all the action and intrigue is for the next several seasons. Why?
In the books, I got pretty tired of how long it is taking Dani to move on to Westros, especially after she got her army of unsullied. I am not sure HBO can drag out her story line another 2, or 3 seasons and keep the viewers interested with more than a glimpse here and there. The real action for Dani and her Dragons will come when GRRM unleashes them on Westros... (Hope I live long enough...)
Within the books, I suspect that the Dani and the Dragons are what will destroy and save/liberate Westros. I suspect the Dragons and three Dragon riders, who ever they are, will drive the undead back beyond the wall. After all, there has to be a clash of FIRE and ICE...
But that is just suspicion on my part and I have been wrong before.
[Semi-Spoilers] will happen this season, I read an interview somewhere where Martin said he wouldn't write the script for the episode and made the other writers do it because he didn't want to have to relive it in his mind again.
As for when it happens I also remember reading that it will be ep 8 or 9. Being that there's a short break between eps 8 and 9 it will probably be 9 which has been titled "The Rains of Castamere".... ep 7 is "Second Sons" which is when we'll finally meet Daario I assume and episode 10 is titled "Mhysa" is the Ghiscari term for “mother” So I'd bet on ep 10 being Dany conquering Meereen. (also seasons 1 and 2 both ended with Dany centered episodes.[Semi-Spoilers]
1- It feels a shame to kill off a character that's been so well developed.
2- But it makes sense, and does as others said reinforce the theme of no one being safe that is pretty much throughout ASOIAF
3- I think I disliked the fact that she was fridged more than the fact that she was killed off. Fridging pisses me off. Fairly cool dudette character with great development killed off-screen to forward character development of the dudes? Where have I seen that before? Oh, right. Fucking everywhere.
4- At the same time, the fridging almost makes sense. Whatever development Ros got, however much she was improving her life and working to make more of herself, she's a woman and a whore in Westeros. She's property, for all that they claim not to have slavery in Westeros. So fridging her, almost feels like it reinforces how shitty GRRM's world is for women. They reach for as much power as they can, but it can and will be snatched away from them as soon as it becomes inconvenient for the men.
5- Then again, they didn't have to show her half-naked, sexually tortured corpse on-screen. We'd already been told she was given a brutal rapey death, no need to throw in some good old sexualised violence as well. And I'm sure some decent Littlefinger-speech-writing could have conveyed that Joffrey was the killer without needing to show it. So that's squicky as all hell.
As for the rest...
Nooo poor Gendry!
Yes, they're doing the torture properly!
Oh, oh gods they're doing the torture properly. Poor Meek.
Arya is always awesome. Terrible archery stance? Not bad considering she's entirely self-taught, at least where archery is concerned.
Oleanna needs her own spin-off show. A Westerosi-themed talk show where she's the host, and she just brings guests on and puts them in their place and generally sasses them for 30 minutes.
I don't recall
Tyrion telling Sansa about the wedding before-hand in the books.
Now I kind of want to know exactly what he said. Did he tell her the secret Tyrell plans had been found out? That Loras was going to be married to his sister instead? That Sansa will now have to marry him? That he objected to the match and is sorry? What does she and doesn't she know at this point, damnit?!
The build-up to the RW is both wonderful and horrible all at the same time.
3- I think I disliked the fact that she was fridged more than the fact that she was killed off. Fridging pisses me off. Fairly cool dudette character with great development killed off-screen to forward character development of the dudes? Where have I seen that before? Oh, right. Fucking everywhere.
4- At the same time, the fridging almost makes sense. Whatever development Ros got, however much she was improving her life and working to make more of herself, she's a woman and a whore in Westeros. She's property, for all that they claim not to have slavery in Westeros. So fridging her, almost feels like it reinforces how shitty GRRM's world is for women. They reach for as much power as they can, but it can and will be snatched away from them as soon as it becomes inconvenient for the men.
5- Then again, they didn't have to show her half-naked, sexually tortured corpse on-screen. We'd already been told she was given a brutal rapey death, no need to throw in some good old sexualised violence as well. And I'm sure some decent Littlefinger-speech-writing could have conveyed that Joffrey was the killer without needing to show it. So that's squicky as all hell.
Which is entirely my umbrage with it. It's not that she dies so much in how it was handled on-screen. Sure, lots of people died. But none of them with soft mood lighting and posed to be so obviously titillating. Ugh. The character and the audience deserve so much better than that.
Also, I don't buy the whole "anyone can die" theme WRT Ros. I think Ned Stark, Drogo, Lord Commander Mormont, et al have proved that in spades. You don't really need a tertiary character (one that a lot of book fans don't like and show-only fans were apathetic towards) for that. Especially hot off the heels of what went down at Craster's. And if it's supposed to be a parallel to another soon-to-be-semi-fridged redheaded lady, it's very poorly done on their part.
Within the books, I suspect that the Dani and the Dragons are what will destroy and save/liberate Westros. I suspect the Dragons and three Dragon riders, who ever they are, will drive the undead back beyond the wall. After all, there has to be a clash of FIRE and ICE...
But that is just suspicion on my part and I have been wrong before.
This is just chock full of spoilers for the books, but here is my favorite theory:
The horns that have been floating around and don't seem to do very much (including the one that is currently with the Greyjoys and is supposed to control dragons, and the one that was supposed to make the wall fall) are actually BOTH supposed to make the wall fall, because it is only the dragons that can make the wall fall (ice magic vs. fire magic) and they can control the dragons.
How are the zombie hordes ever going to actually truly threaten Westeros when that ancient 700 foot wall is in the way? Personally, I think it's because, somehow, one of those horns and at least one of those dragons is going to make it up to the wall and bring it crashing down (the rest of this theory goes that the faceless men are working to bring death to everyone and they have been manipulating events to this end... don't know if I like that part of the theory or not).
Then maybe the dragons will also save everyone.
<<<< I dunno... it might happen - the wall coming down, but, why can't undead go around the wall? Through water? That's what I thought was kinda happening in Dance with Dragons--or threatening to happen.. >>>>
As for Ros. Good riddance. Yeah, she went out in a gratuitous way, but I've pretty much thought she was one of the most useless, "look at my boobs and watch me finger another woman" distractions of the entire show. So, yeah.
Well iirc Melisandre burned the one that Mance originally claimed was the horn and it did some sparkly fireworks when it went up, but then they claimed that was never the horn and Mance only said that in order to scare the crows. So who knows where it is? But the fake one was described in a very similar way to the one that whats-his-face Greyjoy has been flinging around.
And Crastersbabies - I can definitely see that that might be an options... but if they can go around the wall, what's the point of it?
I thought that was just a reference to the wildlings who died near the ocean? So maybe they are wights in the ocean, but not necessarily past the boundary of the wall?
I mean, I do absolutely think it's possible that they could go into the water, but just the way that Coldhands couldn't go past a certain point under the wall, makes me think that the magic extends further than just to the beach.
I just think, if they were able to go around the wall, they would have done so already... they have been around for so long and supposedly have attacked before.
Or did the wall go up after/during the last time they attacked and they just have never properly probed its defences before? (I'm fuzzy on the history of the wall)
ETA (this is one of the things that's so great about this series... being able to come up with so many plausible possibilities on all the different storylines! I love being able to indulge in the equivalent of "conspiracy theories" without being an actual crackpot)
As for Ros. Good riddance. Yeah, she went out in a gratuitous way, but I've pretty much thought she was one of the most useless, "look at my boobs and watch me finger another woman" distractions of the entire show. So, yeah.
They can't go around the wall because of the magic that's in it. It's the same magic that keeps people who die south of the wall from turning into wights. Or why the dying man that Jon puts in an ice cell doesn't turn. It's kinda different from a body that dies north of the wall and gets physically brought across though. Another good example of the "anti-dead" magic would be why coldhands couldn't enter the Children of the Forest's cave.
GRRM explained it at legnth somewhere but I read it so long ago that I wouldn't even know where to look.
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