Eleventh Century Ships

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Hi,

I have written a historical whodunnit, set in eleventh century Europe. There is one scene where my characters are crossing a sea in a merchant vessel (and get washed overboard).

I have tried to identify the vessel type, but my researches have revealed Roman biremes, triremes (both war ships, I think) and 16th century galleons and men-of-war. In between, there seems to be nothing (on the web) apart from the norsemen and their longboats.

Does anyone have any ideas on merchant vessels between 1000 and 1100 AD ?

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I've got cogs in my book in the fourteenth century in England. At the start of the 100 years war they were used with castles erected fore and aft and a crows nest attached to the top of the single mast. The sail was square. The mediterranean cogs of this time had a forecastle and raised stern, I believe.
 

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Ships changed quite a bit between the 11th century and the 14th. In 11th century England, you might come across hulks (banana shaped, lacking a keel, using a sail) and early cogs (flat-bottomed, tubby, used a sail, had a side-oar for steering), a keel (which is like a classic Viking ship with a keel), a knarr (something like the keel). Longships were used primarily for fighting, not cargo. Where are they going? Those would all be plausible for the North Sea. If they are heading south, other possibilities, like the barca, come into play. Ships in the Mediterranean were very different again (naves: lateen-rigged round ships with two masts, and galleys: lateen-rigged masts and two banks of oarsmen).

You might try Lewis and Runyan European Naval and Maritime History, 300-1500. Richard Unger has some useful books too. I've got lots of sea travel in my next novel, so I've been reading up!

(P.S. I just checked on *gasp* Wikipedia, and their entry on medieval ships has some images of reconstructions, which might be useful)
 

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I'd imagine the type of ship would be heavily dependent on where in Europe you're talking about. Merchant vessels in the Mediterranean would be facing vastly different conditions than those plying the English Channel, etc.

I'd imagine there should be at least some info out there on the type of ships commonly in use at the time. After all, there were numerous invasions and conquests in the 11th century - the Norman conquests of England and Sicily, the First Crusade, etc - that required waterborne transportation.
 

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Old ships

Hey!

Thanks for all those great replies.

I guess my researching skills are just not up to much!

In answer to that question: the ships are taking First Crusaders across the Adriatic.
 

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Sigh!

And if you'd looked in Resources by Era you'd have seen a very good set of websites and book resources including this one I have in my reference library. Frankly books beat the web any day!

'The History of Ships' by by Björn Landström which is probably the best for detailed drawings.
 

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Hi pdr,

What or where is "Resources by Era". Forgive me, but I am totally new to all this. Today is my third day in AW.

I still have great difficulty finding my way back to the threads I was in the day before.

(Very confused).
 

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Okay.

When you enter the historical writing board there are a long list of topics.

If you look at the top you will see an announcement and then a list of 4 things called Sticky - and a name.

The fourth one down is Sticky - Resources by Era.

That's where I put all the useful resources people give me or I've found. It's usually checked and updated by me weekly. Go to the bottom of that list to find a heading: Sailing Ships.
 
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Hi pdr,

Thanks for that. very helpful. What does "Sticky" mean? Or maybe it doesn't matter?
 

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I've often wondered...

about that. Perhaps it's a weird Americanism for those little notes you stick to a document to say 'N.B.'? :)

Here it means it is a permanent thread which always stays at the top of the board.
 

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Books vs Web

Frankly books beat the web any day!

Hi again, pdr.

:Soapbox:

I agree. It's one of my soapbox topics: The problem with the web is that it is totally free of editorial control or constraints. I realise that can be a good thing in some ways, but if you need real hard factual information, how can you trust something found on the web?

But of course, being lazy (and always in a hurry) I use the web in this way all the time.
 

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The adriatic? Odds are the ships came from Ragusa or more likely Venice, I'd look at their ships...Although, to be perfectly honest, the typical procedure at that time was to rent/commandeer anything that could float.
 

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The adriatic? Odds are the ships came from Ragusa or more likely Venice, I'd look at their ships...Although, to be perfectly honest, the typical procedure at that time was to rent/commandeer anything that could float.

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