Joe270
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Really? Going to war in WWII wasn't worth the freedom of the rest of the world? The American Revolution was wrong?
The ends don't justify the means.
I can think of lots of examples which contradict this little gem of a saying.
Dick Cheney's Warning. . . .
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Really? Going to war in WWII wasn't worth the freedom of the rest of the world? The American Revolution was wrong?
The ends don't justify the means.
I can think of lots of examples which contradict this little gem of a saying.
I don't really care WHAT happens to terrorists. But Obama's not saying he's going to take them all out for a Denny's Grand Slam breakfast and a swim at the Hyatt pool.
Torturing prisoners doesn't really accomplish anything, except for requiting the anger of Americans. It's not a reliable way to obtain information. If someone tells you your hair is purple, and they begin relentlessly torturing you until you agree, you will concede that your hair is purple.
I also don't get the mentality that we must treat fire with fire. Because history clearly proves THAT works..
HA!
That's pathetic.
Whats the common word between WWII and the Revolutionary War.
Hmm, here's a hint. It starts with a W...and it involves people who fight back.
Torture...torture doesn't even have that bare moral defense.
Sorry, but you still fail.
That's pathetic.
Whats the common word between WWII and the Revolutionary War.
Hmm, here's a hint. It starts with a W...and it involves people who fight back.
Torture...torture doesn't even have that bare moral defense.
Sorry, but you still fail.
WWII Was a direct result of WWI. If we hadn't gotten involved in WWI, there never would have been a holocaust. WWI started because of an assassination in the midst of political turmoil. Pretty damn wrong.
The American Revolution was fought because an ugly and horrendous monarch didn't care to see his colonial possessions slip away. We declared Independence. Britain declared war. Pretty damn wrong.
Very happy that there are so many who probably are not involved have it all figured out. Should share your wisdom with the administration who hasn't been involved either. I would sure feel better.
Well, Joe, what I see is not an adoption of Bush policy regarding wiretapping, but a court case in which the Obama administration does not want classified information publicized. There's nothing in the article to suggest that Obama means to continue warrantless wiretapping as a matter of policy. I think you're stretching to reach an intent.
Regarding Bagram: there are after all some significant differences between that and Gitmo. First of all, it's in Afghanistan, so I would liken it more to an Iraqi US military detention center, sans the torture. Second of all, the bulk of these people are presumably being detained because they were captured in combat, thus a threat to US combat forces in Afghanistan. Again, Bagram is an open military facility, not a secretive or unmonitored place in which somebody is grabbed off the street and flown in because of an assumed terrorist threat. Obama has stated that he plans on withdrawal from Iraq with an intention of putting more troops in Afghanistan. It stands to reason that we don't want to release the same people who have been engaged in combat against our troops, but that's a far cry from a Cuban "intelligence gathering" facility.
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Good god, we couldn't get him to come out and talk to us in 8 years while he, you know, actually had the job of vice president. But now that he's gone, he's just the social butterfly isn't he?
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too much caffeine, or not enough?
And you probably cried about Darth Vader and his wishy washy attitude at the end too?
A big part of America's strength and why people want to come here is that "We're the good guys." If we wanted to be in a military dictatorship/evil empire there are plenty of other places we could go.
As far as closing Gitmo, that's a waste of resources. They don't need to close it. They just need to allow in UN inspectors and the red cross and not do torture
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God help the world if that's true.
Actually, if I had to think about a "good guy" nation, the first that comes to my mind is Canada.
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Well, for better or for worse, we are the "good guys" in super power status. The alternative is Russia or China. The countries comprising the EU and NATO prefer the US as the dominant power over our super power counterparts. So do plenty of emerging nations, and so do I. Still, the US has made a very disappointing showing in recent history. If the trend isn't reversed, I hope a more ethical country can carry the torch.
Paraphrased, Ben Franklin,
"Those who would give up liberty for for freedom, deserve neither."
Ben, i think would have disagreed with Dick.
"Those who would give up liberty for for freedom, deserve neither."
Ben, i think would have disagreed with Dick.
I think his multiple cardiopulmonary bypasses have taken a toll on his mental faculties. It's not an uncommon occurrence.
Joe270
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This gobbledygook makes absolutely no sense. Gitmo is a US military base overseas, Bagram is a US military base overseas. Your attempts to make them seem different is comical at best.
I love it when you're dismissive, Joe. Why don't you just not reply when you don't feel like reading the post?
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I read the post, it just makes no sense.
Have you ever been on a military base? I have, I've lived on them.
Have you ever been on an overseas US military base? I have, I've lived on them.
Have you ever been to Gitmo? I have.
Given those experiences, your post makes no sense whatsoever to me.
Have you ever been on a military base? I have, I've lived on them.
Have you ever been on an overseas US military base? I have, I've lived on them.
Have you ever been to Gitmo? I have.
Given those experiences, your post makes no sense whatsoever to me.
I'm surprised people take seriously the words of someone who shot his hunting partner in the face.
On the news (and the clip is still circulating the internet), Dick Cheney was giving an interview on live TV when a passer-by shouted "Go fuck yourself, Dick."
Hi-larious. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SemYQH-8o&feature=related
I don't care where you've been, Joe. You're not making an adequate correlation between the two. But of course that might be because I misspoke to begin with. So there.