Dorrance / Whitmore / RoseDog Books / Red Lead Press / I-Proclaim

Little Tommy · Aug 22, 2012

whitmore Publishing

Vipersniper said:
I would like to know since I have tried to find out elsewhere on search engine if anyone has any information about Whitmore Publishing. They seem for now to only give an email address. However I have found very little other than perhaps a complaint that they bait and switch. So what gives? I made one mistake I do not want to make another.

All I know is they are a subsidary of Dorrance publishing www.WhitmorePublishing.com

mario_c · Jan 13, 2013

I got my second Dorrance eMail. What freaked me out is they actually printed the name of my book, which I'm still gathering crits on (hint hint sig link

) in the body of the eMail! Hey, I don't mind getting the word out, but I'm worried about how this serves what are obviously ulterior motives. Here's the eMail:

Dear Mario A,

My name is Alexander Rigby and I am excited to hear that your manuscript Brain Of Glass is completed. One of our researchers has discovered your manuscript registration with the Library of Congress and has forwarded your name to me as a possible candidate for publication with our company, Dorrance Publishing.

The first step in getting your book published with Dorrance is to send us a completed copy of your typed manuscript so that we can review your work and determine if it is something that we would be interested in publishing for you. You will be sent a statement of confidentiality once we have received your manuscript, and you will hear back from one of our Author Relations Representatives a few days after your submission.

The quickest and easiest manner for you to submit your completed work for our review is to upload it to our secure website by Clicking Here.

Or, you may save the file to a disk and send it to me via traditional mail. Dorrance also accepts submissions in a paper format sent via traditional mail. If you choose to send your manuscript on a disk or in a paper format via the traditional mail, please send it to:

Dorrance Publishing
Attn: Alexander Rigby
701 Smithfield Street 3rd Floor
Pittsburgh, PA 15222

If your manuscript is poetry you should submit at least 12 poems - though you can submit more if you wish. If you have a children's book the text portion may only be a few pages. We do have artists on staff to create illustrations for your work.

We look forward to receiving your manuscript for review and to discussing your publishing options!

Sincerely, Alexander Rigby
Publishing Services Consultant
[email protected]
866-682-2334

Yeah, a children's book called Brain Of Glass. That's child abuse where I'm from. :ROFL:

James D. Macdonald · Jan 13, 2013

My name is Alexander Rigby and I am excited to hear that your manuscript Brain Of Glass is completed. One of our researchers has discovered your manuscript registration with the Library of Congress and has forwarded your name to me as a possible candidate for publication with our company, Dorrance Publishing.

Yeah. The vanity presses regularly trawl the LOC copyright registrations looking for people who have (needlessly, may I add) copyrighted their books.

They figure that if someone doesn't know that they don't need to register copyright (see many discussions all over the boards) that the author may not know to stay away from vanity presses either.

They don't want your book, they want your money.

Marian Perera · Jan 13, 2013

A writer published through Dorrance gave me a copy of her book (and told me how much she paid for the experience). I looked the book up on Amazon and found the Kindle version priced at $33. Are they trying to compete with PA here?

I feel like this poor writer has been doubly screwed.

Filigree · Jan 14, 2013

She was. She chose Dorrance. How much research did she do beforehand? Does she have an Internet connection, or access to one through school, library, or work? Dorrance is not exactly hiding in shadows, and there are lots of online discussions about the company.

Bicyclefish · Jan 28, 2013

Spotted this on Kickstarter:

This could be the biggest story of my life, I wrote a book and I have a publishing company,all I need is the money to complete my dream

I finally wrote a book about my life it is funny, it will make you cry, it is true and it is mixed with fictional people for entertainment. [...] I have found a publishing company called Dorrance Publishing who have been in business over 90 years that want to publish my book all I need is start up money to invest in my first book. They will EDIT,DESIGN page and cover,COPYRIGHT,PRINT,E-BOOK,PROMOTE,DISTRIBUTION,and ORDER FULFILLMENT. The minimal price they are asking to publish my book is 6,000 dollars. The 10,000 word book is completed and in the hands of the publisher waiting for payment.

The risks are minmial I already have Dorrance Publishing company ready to edit, publish and promote my book, my biggest challenge is not selling enough books

It's sad.

Torgo · Jan 28, 2013

Bicyclefish said:
Spotted this on Kickstarter:

It's sad.

I can't decide whether it's even sadder that she didn't get a single backer, or not.

Chumplet · Jan 28, 2013

Oh, that poor dear.

Stacia Kane · Jan 28, 2013

Chumplet said:
Oh, that poor dear.

This. How horrible all around.

James D. Macdonald · Jan 28, 2013

Did she really say "10,000 word book"? That's a long short story; maybe a short novelette.

And Dorrance is charging $6K? They have no shame.

Filigree · Jan 28, 2013

We knew that. It's pretty heartbreaking to see it out in the open, from an author who has no idea what is actually happening.

triceretops · Jan 28, 2013

It's so very sad to think that she might believe this is the way traditional publishing functions. I wish we could warn her off.

tri :rant:

James D. Macdonald · Jan 28, 2013

No need to warn her off; her funding experiment ended in November.

I hope she doesn't try what I've seen some other hopeful authors do when vanity publishers wave contracts: Mortgage the house.

CaoPaux · Nov 14, 2013

I-Proclaim closed in Oct '12. Whitmore site (whitmorebooks.com) expired last week, but I wager they'll renew.

aliceshortcake · Dec 1, 2013

'The next book in stores could be yours.' Presumably this lady has just picked up the copy she ordered from the store...

James D. Macdonald · Dec 1, 2013

"The next book in stores could be yours...." but it probably won't be.

"The next book in stores could be yours...." if you get a contract with a real publisher.

"The next book in stores could be yours...." if you carry a copy in your purse.

Brian P. White · Feb 9, 2015

Here's a question: what's the harm in sending them the manuscript anyway? What could they do with it (if you don't use their services) that'll screw you?

Gravity · Feb 9, 2015

Yes, but given what's been posted here, why would you even do that? It's an utter waste of time.

Brian P. White · Feb 10, 2015

For giggles, I replied to their email and asked them how they'd handle advertising my work. Here was their response:

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 [COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]Thank you for getting back to me![/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]In response to your question, I have attached our brochure for you to look over when time permits. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]Generally, how our company handles marketing/advertising is that, once your book undergoes our review process and it is accepted, we would work to get your book on the market. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]How we do that would later be explained by a Senior Consultant if your book is accepted as a good fit for our company. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]Generally, we would market your book as both a hardcopy and an ebook, selling it places such as Dorrancepublishing.com, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Kindle etc. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]For a full list of places that we could market your book, please submit your manuscript for our [B]complimentary review.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]You can do that by either attaching your manuscript to this email or by sending it via mail to our address which is listed below. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]Please let me know if you have any additional questions![/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Calibri]Best regards, [/FONT][/COLOR]

[B][COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Arial]Hayley Kibler[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Arial]Publishing Services Consultant[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Arial][email protected][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial]866-373-7654[/FONT][/COLOR]

Then an attachment brochure with 5 pages of accolades and a final page that says this:

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Just to test them out, I replied with:

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 Thank you for responding, Ms. Kibler, but I'm afraid I have another question. How much would this kind of thing cost me?

I'll see what they say and get back to you. No, I'm not getting my hopes up or anything. I want to see just how far they go to hook me.

Also, I Googled the site hoping for objective info on the site. According to [URL="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Furlm.co%2Fwww.dorrancebookstore.com&ei=kJXaVMfYOJLaoATxw4GAAQ&usg=AFQjCNGJp1AqxmubxBfzp279ho3YZAgibQ&sig2=Z_WzXJDEc8hNmCAD24MhWw"]this site[/URL], it doesn't have a very high ranking. Idunno, but I thought you might want to see it.

Thoughts?

EDIT:
Here's how Ms. Kibler responded:

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 Not a problem at all. Our fees are based on the needs of your book and your publishing goals.  We offer a free review so that we can respond with an appropriate proposal that includes all of the necessary services to properly launch your specific book.  
  
 It is important to note that since our publishing proposals are custom and flexible, we generally are able to create a publishing package to meet most budgets.
 There is no obligation to publish with us if you submit your work for review.
 We believe every book is different and every author’s needs are different. 
  
 Therefore I encourage you to send us your completed work so we can offer you a detailed proposal.
  
 Best regards, 
  
 Hayley Kibler
 Publishing Services Consultant
 [email protected]
 866-373-7654

Smooth, huh? Anyway, I summarily thanked her for her attention and dismissed her company with a simple "can't afford" message. Let's see what else is out there!

EDIT EDIT:
Talk about persistent:

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 We offer payment plans for all kinds of budgets. 
 Where did you find your research, if I may ask?
  
 If you are still not interested in the payment plan option, please let me know!
  
 Best regards, 
  
 [B]Hayley Kibler[/B]
 [B]Publishing Services Consultant[/B]
 [email protected]
 866-373-7654

Iryna · Mar 6, 2015

Dorrance is no good.

I accidently applied on their website ( just because I had not idea what a vanishing publisher is about ). They contacted me next day by the phone and then e-mail. After I found out they take fees and how much they usually run, I said NOPE!
Anyway, after that, they still kept asking me to send them my manuscript to figure out the cost... that is a little weird.
I advice not to send your work to any vanishing publishers at all, until you really know you want to pay for your book to get published. Which is none sense.
Does anyone here knows some good publishers for fiction? I recently completed my FIRST

book. I am looking for a publisher/agent. Realizing more and more how insanely hard it is to find somebody who would say yes.... Any advices are welcome!

Filigree · Mar 6, 2015

I'm assuming you meant 'vanity' publisher, and good old autocorrect turned it into 'vanishing'. We can only hope Dorrance would vanish.

As for publishing in general, your book may not be ready right away. Take some time and polish it to the best of your ability. Many people start looking for publishers too soon.

Deb Kinnard · Mar 7, 2015

Iryna, they may continue to pester you for some time. Ignore it all. Eventually they'll stop. They contacted me because I filed for copyright registry on my umpteenth book. Trolls.

Maddie · Mar 7, 2015

That's right, Deb, these vultures sent me emails every time I submitted a copyright application. I simply marked them as spam, and blocked their efforts at subsequent contact.

odubhthaigh2207 · Jan 14, 2016

Yeah, Dorrance sucks

Dorrance sorta swindled me for a good $6k. Sure, bucket list and all, but they charged for edits and pretty much anything else. They were sweet up front, like any good sales team. Relentless in telling you how much they enjoyed reading, yadda yadda. Then once it went past sales and into production the communications almost stopped. And they refused to pay any royalties for a very long time. They suckered me. Damn.

AC Crispin said:
Dorrance is a vanity press. They will charge you more than 10,000 dollars for about 1000 copies of your book.

I've seen them charge as high as 19,000 for 1000 copies of a book.

They do no marketing or promotion. Your books will not be placed in bookstores.

Vanity publishing is not considered any sort of "real" publishing credit.

If you have more questions, may I suggest that you read the section on vanity publishing on Writer Beware?

www.writerbeware.com

-Ann C. Crispin
Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com

STORMS OF DESTINY
HarperCollins/Eos
August 2005
www.accrispin.com

odubhthaigh2207 · Jan 14, 2016

For me, it was their incessant complimenting. "It's great," "let's publish!", "the whole market is ready," and, the biggest lie, "your book is ready". Wasn't nearly ready, but I wasn't in the head space to believe it. So they can prey on you as they sink their claws in. They're totally biased because they couldn't give two craps about you or the book.

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