I remember the smut I hid from my parents when I was their age. Kathy Acker, Ed Sanders, Jerzy Kosinski, the occasional Harold Robbins or Jacqueline Susann. Good times.
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(((((Cricket))))))
I got another rejection today (off a partial). That's three in the past three days.
Even though I've still got several submissions pending, I hate it when I can feel the window start to close (this is my final batch of agents/publishers to query for this particular book series).
It just feels like this might be "it" for the series, and I've put SO much work/effort/blood/sweat/tears into it. Makes me sad.
I got another rejection today (off a partial). That's three in the past three days.
Even though I've still got several submissions pending, I hate it when I can feel the window start to close (this is my final batch of agents/publishers to query for this particular book series).
It just feels like this might be "it" for the series, and I've put SO much work/effort/blood/sweat/tears into it. Makes me sad.
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(((Cricket)))
(((Chelsea)))
Amarie, wow. Not sure what to think of that. The yay Am@z0n stuff freaks me out, but I'm glad she's had success. But just like only the lucky few in trad publishing breakout (as she says), only the lucky few self-pubbed will breakout too, a fact conveniently overlooked by her. So meh. I see she's located relatively nearby though.
I need to stop procrastinating and email the agent about my revision outline and to find out what's up with ALP subs. I just don't want to. I'm in the SNI groove, and I don't want to know about subs. Bleh.
(((Chelsea)))
Amarie, wow. Not sure what to think of that. The yay Am@z0n stuff freaks me out, but I'm glad she's had success. But just like only the lucky few in trad publishing breakout (as she says), only the lucky few self-pubbed will breakout too, a fact conveniently overlooked by her. So meh. I see she's located relatively nearby though.
I need to stop procrastinating and email the agent about my revision outline and to find out what's up with ALP subs. I just don't want to. I'm in the SNI groove, and I don't want to know about subs. Bleh.
If you're in a groove, Ink -- don't even change your socks!
Chelsea, hugs. Sometimes you get life out of things you though were dead. I forget -- do you have another WIP well along?
Chelsea, hugs. Sometimes you get life out of things you though were dead. I forget -- do you have another WIP well along?
Mornin', Pit
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Muted yay, JB
DVI, do what's best, but stick to the groove like Kell said.
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Muted yay, JB
DVI, do what's best, but stick to the groove like Kell said.
(((Cricket))) (((Chelsea))) (((Ink)))
My feeling about self-pubbing is that it's a great option for some--if you have a built-in readership, if you're willing to put a lot of time into marketing, etc. I have a couple of books I'd thought about self-pubbing but I'm holding off for now, since I have neither of the above.
Incidentally, I've read a couple of "anti-traditional pub" things lately (the aforementioned blog post and a self-pubbed book). The problem for me is that the authors' arguments degenerate into a lot of namecalling/agida, which undermines the message they're trying to promote...
My feeling about self-pubbing is that it's a great option for some--if you have a built-in readership, if you're willing to put a lot of time into marketing, etc. I have a couple of books I'd thought about self-pubbing but I'm holding off for now, since I have neither of the above
. Incidentally, I've read a couple of "anti-traditional pub" things lately (the aforementioned blog post and a self-pubbed book). The problem for me is that the authors' arguments degenerate into a lot of namecalling/agida, which undermines the message they're trying to promote...
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Sort of -- it's a book I wrote years ago that I've recently resurrected. It has nothing to do with the series, and I still think the ideas/plot have merit. It needs a major rewrite, though (so funny, to see how I wrote "back then" - interesting to note how we change/learn/grow as writers over the years. The bad habits I had are making me cringe now).
What I'll probably do is give agents a long break from seeing my name, revise said book, then send it out next summer. Worth a shot.
Amarie, thanks for the link.
I get the feeling a lot of the anti-traditional publishing ranters don't get the context of traditional publishing -- it's a business. Editors report to publishers, who report to CEO's who report to corporate masters who don't always understand publishing.
Sometimes I get the feeling people are furious because they expected their publishers to make them bestsellers, or at the very least, treat them like princesses. (Well, only a few people can be bestsellers, right?)
Also, seems to me she's misleading because self-publishing is not the panacea because, well, there is no panacea. It's all hard and requires a certain amount of luck and/or lots of patience.
I get the feeling a lot of the anti-traditional publishing ranters don't get the context of traditional publishing -- it's a business. Editors report to publishers, who report to CEO's who report to corporate masters who don't always understand publishing.
Sometimes I get the feeling people are furious because they expected their publishers to make them bestsellers, or at the very least, treat them like princesses. (Well, only a few people can be bestsellers, right?)
Also, seems to me she's misleading because self-publishing is not the panacea because, well, there is no panacea. It's all hard and requires a certain amount of luck and/or lots of patience.
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I originally read this as "I have 1000 pages to edit" and thought, whoa! LOL.
This.
(((Cricket))) (((Chelsea)))
T-minus one day until my face-to-face meeting with agents tomorrow. First time I'll be meeting them (Sr. and Jr. agent) in person.
Teri, I think you're right about expectations--one of the recurring themes in the book I read was that the author expected to have enough money out of the gate to write full time. Unfortunately for most of us the reality is keeping the day job...
Agree. The nastiest response to a bad review I ever saw was here. Though I bet there are way nastier. This struck me as particularly antagonistic:
"...If you ever have the desire to reach me to discuss how much you think my book sucks please feel free to do so @..."
WTF? Just...W...T..F??! Who says something like that??
Someone from a publisher I queried with a picture book just visited every page of my site today! Now I get to be nervous. Thing is, they are non-responders so I may never hear anything at all. If I don't, I'll console myself by chalking it up to a "close" because they were interested enough to look up my website. And in the meantime, I'll be stalking Google Analytics to see if anyone else at the publisher looks me up...
And boy, do I feel foolish even speculating. Curse you, Google Analytics! Snappy and Steve and any other NYC Pitizens, you know that you make all your fellow writers insane whenever you visit our sites, right? Rationally, we know that millions of people live in NYC, and not all of them are editors or agents, but still...
And boy, do I feel foolish even speculating. Curse you, Google Analytics! Snappy and Steve and any other NYC Pitizens, you know that you make all your fellow writers insane whenever you visit our sites, right? Rationally, we know that millions of people live in NYC, and not all of them are editors or agents, but still...
(((Cricket))) (((Chelsea)))
Knock 'em dead, Snappy!
Hester I used to entertain dreams of getting that huge advance/quitting my job to write. Then reality came knocking and told me otherwise
Knock 'em dead, Snappy!
Hester I used to entertain dreams of getting that huge advance/quitting my job to write. Then reality came knocking and told me otherwise
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Kell, sorry. LOL. I will warn when I visit next time. If it makes you feel better, I go equally insane, and it turns out to be just a friend from the neighborhood visiting my site.
ETA: Thanks, Soul!
ETA: Thanks, Soul!
Thanks for the link, Amarie.
Good points, Terri & Hester. SP isn't the panacea because nothing is, and many of the rants make good points but it gets lost in the venom.
Trad Pubs deserves their criticism, but the ultimate criticism is the bottom line and how they deal with the current landscape.
I still maintain that the Trad Pubs biggest problem is that they haven't found out how to make the book production process less expensive, from the cost of paper to warehousing to delivery services. In every other industry, companies find ways to lessen manufacturing costs. V3r0nica R0th had a great blog post awhile back about the step-by-step process of how a physical book gets made from when the author turns in the draft until the book hits the shelf and you can see that, "Wow, they have to find a way to stream line this and make it cheaper."
Good points, Terri & Hester. SP isn't the panacea because nothing is, and many of the rants make good points but it gets lost in the venom.
Trad Pubs deserves their criticism, but the ultimate criticism is the bottom line and how they deal with the current landscape.
I still maintain that the Trad Pubs biggest problem is that they haven't found out how to make the book production process less expensive, from the cost of paper to warehousing to delivery services. In every other industry, companies find ways to lessen manufacturing costs. V3r0nica R0th had a great blog post awhile back about the step-by-step process of how a physical book gets made from when the author turns in the draft until the book hits the shelf and you can see that, "Wow, they have to find a way to stream line this and make it cheaper."
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Oooh - I don't know about this yet. Pray tell, what is it and how do I access it? (<---probably will wish I had never asked, lol).
Very cool, though, about the publishers possibly checking you out that way -- here's hoping it means something good!!
Me too, soul!
And what is this Google Analytics of which you all speak? Not that I need anything else to obsess about...
And what is this Google Analytics of which you all speak? Not that I need anything else to obsess about...
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Google Analytics is a free service -- you just need a Google account, and you register your blog or site, and it tells you how many visitors you get, from where, what provider, how they got to your site, what they do. Hardly anyone visits my blog so it's depressing to get zero or one visitor per day, but I mostly have the blog so that if a publisher or industry person wants to find me, I exist.
https://www.google.com/analytics/
https://www.google.com/analytics/
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Thanks for the link. Sounds a bit like Sitemeter (which I use for my blog), except that maybe you can also use it for Facebook and other pages?
Sitemeter drives me crazy too, lol - I perk up anytime I get a NY visitor. It's awful.
Sitemeter drives me crazy too, lol - I perk up anytime I get a NY visitor. It's awful.
Looks like things were a little rough in here yesterday. I'm still keeping my head down until the fiscal year end arrives. But maggotinis are on me today.
Are you bathing in maggotinis under the couch, or are you handing them out?
I was wondering about the maggotini pool renovations in The Pit
Kellion, so true about the NYC hits!
Steve, we have a pool?
So my do-I-email dilemma has been solved in the obvious way. It's lunch break. I have an epiphany about the SNI - yes! I start to write it down... and that (1) shows up in my inbox. Agent got back back to me on revisions. Sometimes I feel like the gods are laughing at me.
At least she feels like we're making progress, though she wants me to up the stakes more still. <insert head explosions here>
Steve, we have a pool?
So my do-I-email dilemma has been solved in the obvious way. It's lunch break. I have an epiphany about the SNI - yes! I start to write it down... and that (1) shows up in my inbox. Agent got back back to me on revisions. Sometimes I feel like the gods are laughing at me.
At least she feels like we're making progress, though she wants me to up the stakes more still. <insert head explosions here>
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