British Aid Worker David Haines Executed by ISIS

c.e.lawson · Sep 13, 2014

It's happened again.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/meast/isis-haines-family-message/

The ISIS video post showing Haines' beheading called his execution "a message to the allies of America."

It is produced very similarly to the videos that showed the executions of American journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, the last of which included Haines and the threat that he'd be killed next.

The new video pictures a masked ISIS militant placing his hand on another captive, whom he identified as Alan Henning, a British citizen.

blacbird · Sep 13, 2014

I just want to say that the only reason no responses to this thread have been made (until this one) is that there really isn't anything to be discussed about it that hasn't been said in the other threads about ISIS atrocities. It just isn't a debatable issue, for any civilized human beings.

caw

Monkey · Sep 13, 2014

Agreed, Blacbird. It's good that there is a thread; this isn't something to simply let pass unacknowledged. But there is no room for debate, here. Nothing to bat back and forth. The wrongness of this act is clear to every civilized human being on the planet.

benbradley · Sep 13, 2014

I'm thinking these ISIS/ISIL/IS/whoever folks are just begging to be nuked, at least figuratively if not literally.

Xelebes · Sep 13, 2014

benbradley said:
I'm thinking these ISIS/ISIL/IS/whoever folks are just begging to be nuked, at least figuratively if not literally.

What? Put in a microwave like a kitten?

raburrell · Sep 14, 2014

For me, bb said it. As painful as it is, short of any Special Forces intervention, they'll likely continue murdering the hostages they have until they run out, but their ability to elicit anything but disgust and renewed condemnation is waning. It has to be agonizing for the families of those held.

RIP, Mr. Haines

backslashbaby · Sep 14, 2014

Yep, I don't know what to say. I didn't even know which thread to put it in last night. RIP

It was also, unfortunately, expected. Just a matter of when

Perks · Sep 14, 2014

They're going to give themselves away in these videos. They're going to be found.

I'd rather they not be executed. I want them each alone in a cell with three small, bland meals a day shoved under the door and left to rot, forgotten and alone with their hideous memories.

blacbird · Sep 14, 2014

Xelebes said:
What? Put in a microwave like a kitten?

There's an idea. Accompanied by video recording.

(That was the dark angel on my right shoulder responding. The bright angel on my left shoulder, me being a lefty, has taken the matter under advisement.)

caw

Teinz · Sep 15, 2014

Perks said:
They're going to give themselves away in these videos. They're going to be found.

I'd rather they not be executed. I want them each alone in a cell with three small, bland meals a day shoved under the door and left to rot, forgotten and alone with their hideous memories.

Seconded.

I do wonder about how the first beheading sent shockwaves through our society, while the third barely gets coverage on the news. All that in two weeks time. Does this say anything about us?

veinglory · Sep 15, 2014

The first was the first--that makes it more novel and so more newsworthy. the third still got heavy coverage including on TV as far as I saw, and speculation that it was a driver for the Obama strategy.

waylander · Sep 15, 2014

IS are holding and threatening another British hostage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29199700
Another aid worker who put their life on the line to help refugees, mainly Muslim, who will die because these people are savages who want to go back to the 8th century.

Bufty · Sep 15, 2014

No - the more publicity it generates the more it encourages the act.

And I disagree the last act received 'barely' any news coverage.

Teinz said:
Seconded.

I do wonder about how the first beheading sent shockwaves through our society, while the third barely gets coverage on the news. All that in two weeks time. Does this say anything about us?

Vince524 · Sep 15, 2014

Perks said:
They're going to give themselves away in these videos. They're going to be found.

I'd rather they not be executed. I want them each alone in a cell with three small, bland meals a day shoved under the door and left to rot, forgotten and alone with their hideous memories.

I don't know about that.
1st off, I doubt they feel remorse or guilt. I highly doubt catching them and locking them up is going to change that.

Once in custody, they'll be allowed to pray, given 3 squares a day, allowed to exercise. They won't be dropped in a hole or sentenced to hard labor. Plus the possibility of escape exists.

So yeah, execution works for me. And the barbaric side of me wants it slow and painful.

Vince524 · Sep 15, 2014

Here's a question that nobody has asked. When they do run out of hostages, then what? I'm assuming that they'll kidnap more.

Teinz · Sep 15, 2014

Bufty said:
No - the more publicity it generates the more it encourages the act.

And I disagree the last act received 'barely' any news coverage.

I should have said Dutch media coverage.

And I tend to agree with you. No need to advertise barbarity.

But another part of me wants to keep it front and center until these basterds are caught.

nighttimer · Sep 15, 2014

Teinz said:
Seconded.

I do wonder about how the first beheading sent shockwaves through our society, while the third barely gets coverage on the news. All that in two weeks time. Does this say anything about us?

If words could stop ISIS there wouldn't a member left. But words rarely stop fanatics. Deeds and only forceful deeds do.

What it says about us is the highly-developed sense of outrage human beings have for acts of senseless savagery is mitigated by our capacity to accept with resignation what we cannot change.

You can't compromise with barbarians. You have to crush them.

Perks · Sep 15, 2014

Vince524 said:
I don't know about that.
1st off, I doubt they feel remorse or guilt. I highly doubt catching them and locking them up is going to change that.

Once in custody, they'll be allowed to pray, given 3 squares a day, allowed to exercise. They won't be dropped in a hole or sentenced to hard labor. Plus the possibility of escape exists.

So yeah, execution works for me. And the barbaric side of me wants it slow and painful.

Feasibility aside (my way, as well as the long, slow, tortuous way) we all have our revenge fantasies. Mine's more of the solitary confinement, oubliette variety - and believe me, that's not out of any mercy or kindness. By all reports, it's truly horrible to be isolated without any frame of time reference or interaction.

Vince524 · Sep 15, 2014

Perks said:
Feasibility aside (my way, as well as the long, slow, tortuous way) we all have our revenge fantasies. Mine's more of the solitary confinement, oubliette variety - and believe me, that's not out of any mercy or kindness. By all reports, it's truly horrible to be isolated without any frame of time reference or interaction.

Can we add in a low buzzing sound that they can't tell what it is or where it's coming from but is constant and gets louder when asleep?

backslashbaby · Sep 20, 2014

"Turkey secures release of 49 hostages seized by ISIL in Iraq"

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/20/turkey-hostages-isil.html

Hmmm. Good for them. Very strange. I don't quite know what to make of it. It's certainly interesting.

British Aid Worker David Haines Executed by ISIS

c.e.lawson

blacbird

Monkey

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benbradley

It's a doggy dog world

Xelebes

Delerium ex Ennui

raburrell

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backslashbaby

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Perks

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blacbird

Teinz

Back at it again.

veinglory

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waylander

Who's going for a beer?

Bufty

Where have the last ten years gone?

Vince524

Are you gonna finish that bacon?

Vince524

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Teinz

Back at it again.

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Perks

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Vince524

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British Aid Worker David Haines Executed by ISIS

Is me.

It's a doggy dog world

Delerium ex Ennui

Treguna Makoidees Trecorum SadisDee

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delicate #!&@*#! flower

Back at it again.

volitare nequeo

Who's going for a beer?

Where have the last ten years gone?

Are you gonna finish that bacon?

Are you gonna finish that bacon?

Back at it again.

No Gods No Masters

delicate #!&@*#! flower

Are you gonna finish that bacon?

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