Domino's Pizza founder sues federal government over mandated contraception coverage

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Well, to be fair to Domino's, this guy doesn't really have anything to do with them anymore, so I think it should be fine for you to enjoy their pizza.

Oh good. 'cuz the Wisconsin Six cheese is awesome on thin crust.

I wonder what Mr. Monaghan makes on those still. Have to believe he's still a stock holder.
 

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Agreed.

Still, it is not correct to say that Dominoes is "denying" them access to birth control.
You're right. Dominoes isn't denying anything. Dominoes, the pizza company no longer has anything to do with Tom Monaghan, the founder. It's a publicly held company now. Please don't blame the pizza company for stuff Monaghan is doing. Don't boycott their pizza because of the actions of someone who used to own them.
 

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Oh good. 'cuz the Wisconsin Six cheese is awesome on thin crust.

I wonder what Mr. Monaghan makes on those still. Have to believe he's still a stock holder.
I hate the idea of a boycott almost as much as I hate their pizza. I can see I'ma gonna have to show you what real pizza tastes like sometime. :D
 

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I used to hate Domino's pizza but last month after Papa John's founder made his idiotic statements, I ordered from Domino's and, I gotta admit, they've gotten a lot better. It was really good (for chain store pizza). I know they've made a huge effort to change their recipes and remake their image. It was a thousand times better than the crap they used to sell and much better than Papa John's.

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Well, it's not as if birth control is only available to those who have it paid for by someone else.

According to Planned Parenthood:
  • Easy to get with a prescription
  • Cost about $15–$50 each month
Condoms are even more economical.

I don't see how Dominoes refusing to pay for its employees birth control is "denying" it to its employees any more than not paying its employee's food bills is denying them food.

The problem with those figures is that they don't count the cost of GETTING the prescription, which currently requires an annual doctor visit with associated cost and the uncompensated time off work for many women. That's why the American College of OB/GYNs is recommending that birth control pills be available over the counter without prescription.
 

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Yes, it's true there are alternatives for a woman if her company insurance policy refuses to pay for birth control and abortions. Yes, she can buy condoms, et al. With low wages, that cost of $15-50 a month can be a staggering sum. And doc's visits aren't cheap.

(Side note: this argument that a woman ONLY has to pay for birth control and abortion themselves reminds me of the threads about voting and requiring ID. A voter ONLY has to track down and pay for their certified birth certificate, they ONLY have to stand in line for hours for a driver's license or state ID.)

If for no other reason, birth control and abortion are health-related, and therefore should be covered.
 
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But if the employer thinks it is immoral should they have to pay for it? Isn't it then the government forcing things on them?

If the employer involved is a publicly-traded corporate entity, they already are in bed with the government, mainly for their own benefit, in a whole variety of ways. But to get these benefits, they have to adhere to various rules of operation.

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What is it with pizza company founders and kooky partisan bullshit? Wasn't it just last month that the founder of Papa John's was so inexplicably butt hurt over Obamacare that he claimed he was gonna have to either raise the price of a pizza by 14 pennies or start immediately cutting hours and laying people off to compensate for the supposed financial hardship the health insurance requirement was gonna put in the company?
The problem with Papa John's wasn't that it's raising the price of pizza, but that the founder was so publicly announcing it, and stating the reasons why. It seems to me any Real Business would just raise prices and not state why, or if pressured, put out a vaguely-worded press release such as "We have reluctantly had to raise the prices of our products to cover increased costs of doing business."

Mr. Papa John turned it into a political statement, perhaps to the detriment of his business (OTOH, Chick-Fil-A didn't do so bad on the that Huckabee-initiated support-Chick-Fil-A Day).
He said he needed to do this now for a requirement that doesn't take effect until 2014?
I forget all the details of the "so-called" Affordable Health Care Act, but as I recall, taxes were going well before the benefits were being put into place.
 

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No, I'm not saying they should be grandfathered into not obeying the law. I'm saying that in 1960 they could not have been aware that in 2014 they would be expected to pay for birth control. They can, of course, legally avoid it by selling the company or closing it.
 

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If for no other reason, birth control and abortion are health-related, and therefore should be covered.

Yep. That's why the new federal law requires birth control coverage, and I'm so glad we have it now.

Abortion is a much more serious and divisive issue, obviously. No surprise it's not included.
 

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There are also non-contraceptive reasons women need and are prescribed birth control pills and denying them access to these meds because of "immoral" reasons is not only a reprehensible form of implied slut-shaming, it can adversely affect the health of millions of women in way unrelated to pregnancy.

IMO, denying the coverage is ultimately even more immoral than the bullshit immoral reasons these people are whining about.
 

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Yes, it's true there are alternatives for a woman if her company insurance policy refuses to pay for birth control and abortions. Yes, she can buy condoms, et al. With low wages, that cost of $15-50 a month can be a staggering sum. And doc's visits aren't cheap.

(Side note: this argument that a woman ONLY has to pay for birth control and abortion themselves reminds me of the threads about voting and requiring ID. A voter ONLY has to track down and pay for their certified birth certificate, they ONLY have to stand in line for hours for a driver's license or state ID.)

If for no other reason, birth control and abortion are health-related, and therefore should be covered.
I'm not convinced that anything and everything health related should be covered by insurance. Food, clothing, and shelter also have major health related consequences and are not covered by insurance. Asprin, vitamins, and other over-the-counter medications are not covered by insurance.

And I'm really not convinced the federal government has the right to mandate what type of coverage employers must provide. Seems to me if the goverment feels so strongly about it, the government should cover it themselves.
 

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I'm not convinced that anything and everything health related should be covered by insurance. Food, clothing, and shelter also have major health related consequences and are not covered by insurance. Asprin, vitamins, and other over-the-counter medications are not covered by insurance.

And I'm really not convinced the federal government has the right to mandate what type of coverage employers must provide. Seems to me if the goverment feels so strongly about it, the government should cover it themselves.

I doubt everything is covered, but birth control--or lack of it--affects more than just one person's health. And birth control is also a medicine that helps in other facets of women's health than just birth control.

As far as the federal government paying for health care (which I believe it does with Medicaid--but I'm not knowledgeable about that though), that's a whole other ball of wax.
 

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The problem with Papa John's wasn't that it's raising the price of pizza, but that the founder was so publicly announcing it, and stating the reasons why. It seems to me any Real Business would just raise prices and not state why, or if pressured, put out a vaguely-worded press release such as "We have reluctantly had to raise the prices of our products to cover increased costs of doing business."

Mr. Papa John turned it into a political statement, perhaps to the detriment of his business (OTOH, Chick-Fil-A didn't do so bad on the that Huckabee-initiated support-Chick-Fil-A Day).

It was a completely political statement. The guy held large fundraisers for Romney at his mansion. He was a big time Romney supporter.

In fact, his moronic claim that Obamacare would "force" him to raise the price of pizzas by 11 to 14 cents each in order to best serve the best interests of his shareholders (notice he seems unconcerned with his employees' best interests), was shown in an article in Forbes to be total bullshit.

His problem is that his company already only pays many of his workers minimum wage, so he can't do the usual things that companies (especially food service) do, which is cut pay. So, he has to raise prices...by less than 4 cents.

And, it warms the cockles of my cold heart that his company took a hit, both financially (stock price) and in reputation, because of his stance.

I forget all the details of the "so-called" Affordable Health Care Act, but as I recall, taxes were going well before the benefits were being put into place.
The requirement that businesses provide health insurance under the provisions of the Affordable Care Act doesn't take effect until 2014. The timing of his announcement (both shortly before and almost immediately after election night) is further proof that his statement was motivated almost entirely motivated by politics.
 
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Bobby Jindal has nailed it: make these things available over the counter.

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Much as I agree with the intention here this is not the correct answer. Birth control pills are not Smarties to be handed out without question, they are a powerful medication with a long list of known side-effects. They need to be prescribed by someone with medical training to ensure that the woman gets the right pill and the right dose for her.
 

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Much as I agree with the intention here this is not the correct answer. Birth control pills are not Smarties to be handed out without question, they are a powerful medication with a long list of known side-effects. They need to be prescribed by someone with medical training to ensure that the woman gets the right pill and the right dose for her.

Seconding this. If only birth control could be otc, things would be much simpler. Unfortunately, as someone who has had birth control-related problems before, that really can't be the case.
 

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Seems to me if the goverment feels so strongly about it, the government should cover it themselves.

Except that anything related to men's sexual health, such as viagra and vasectomies, are covered by health insurance. If those things are covered, and birth control for women is not, then it's a double standard, and it's unfair to women.
 

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No, I'm not saying they should be grandfathered into not obeying the law. I'm saying that in 1960 they could not have been aware that in 2014 they would be expected to pay for birth control. They can, of course, legally avoid it by selling the company or closing it.

He could, if he still owned the company, which he does not.
 

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There is no one size fits all BC pill. For that reason alone, BC should not be sold over the counter...