Authors are evil. It's all their fault.

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DoJ is now sitting around, scratching their heads and wondering what the heck legacy publishing is supposed to be.

No offence to DoJ, it's hard to understand what someone is talking about when they make up their own words.
 
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DoJ is now sitting around, scratching their heads and wondering what the heck legacy publishing is supposed to be.

No offence to DoJ, it's hard to understand what someone is taking about when they make up their own words.

That's hilarious because I had the exact same thought.
 

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"Legacy publishing???"

I'm sorry; I laughed so hard the kitten looked at me funny. But then again, this is one of the blogs I usually go to for a laugh. Shrillness amuses me more than it should.
 

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I can't think of anything to say about this except I actually got quite annoyed and angry when I read this. And usually I'm pretty easy going.

http://jakonrath.blogspot.ca/2012/05/joes-letter-to-doj.html
So, do you agree or disagree with Joe Konrath? I know you're annoyed at somebody; but I'm not sure who it is. I don't see how the thread title applies to Konrath's blog, to the DOJ suit, or to the actions of any of the parties involved.
 

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So, do you agree or disagree with Joe Konrath? I know you're annoyed at somebody; but I'm not sure who it is. I don't see how the thread title applies to Konrath's blog, to the DOJ suit, or to the actions of any of the parties involved.

I'm annoyed that he's suggesting that the Association of Authors' Representatives and the Authors Guild are fighting against Amazon because of their own greed.

How dare authors want to get paid a decent salary for their own work. So technically it's the evil authors fault.

Sorry you didn't quite understand my intentions.



 

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1. Saw thread title.

2. Was like, Ooh what's this.

3. Clicked thread.

4. Saw "jakonrath."

5.
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I would say he needs to write more and talk less, but I think he actually needs to write less and talk less. That's a truly silly blog post/letter.
 

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I'm annoyed that he's suggesting that the Association of Authors' Representatives and the Authors Guild are fighting against Amazon because of their own greed.

How dare authors want to get paid a decent salary for their own work. So technically it's the evil authors fault.

Sorry you didn't quite understand my intentions.
That still doesn't make sense. Konrath's assertion is that those groups do not, in fact, represent the interests of writers, but those of publishers.
Joe Konrath said:
The Association of Authors' Representatives, and the Authors Guild, which purportedly defend the rights of writers, in fact work for the publishers.
(Is there any truth to that? I don't know anything about those organizations.) So, as far as I can tell, nobody is saying what you sarcastically pretend somebody is saying.

Further, Konrath repeatedly asserts (in this linked post) that it's writers who are getting cheated by what he calls the "agency publishing model", and that he would prefer they make more money, not less.

(I don't know if "agency publishing model" is a real industry term or just something he made up, but
, at least as it's explained here, it sounds like a bad deal for everyone except a retailer like Apple. Though my interpretation may be wrong; this stuff gives me a headache.)

So, Konrath may be wrong about everything (and it's hard to take him seriously when he starts off by referring to trade publishing as "legacy publishing"), but when it comes to writers getting paid, I think he's saying the opposite of what you seem to think he's saying.

Hence my confusion. But, I understand your being upset.

Joe Konrath said:
These blog posts show that Amazon has not destroyed competition. In fact, it is the only company encouraging it.
Okay, that's kind of hard to swallow.
 
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I like the cat more than the blog letter, too. Needs an editor (not the cat--cat just needs nap then milk, repeat). Oops, edit; a LEGACY editor.
 

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Further, Konrath repeatedly asserts (in this linked post) that it's writers who are getting cheated by what he calls the "agency publishing model", and that he would prefer they make more money, not less.

Mark Coker, the guy who runs Smashwords, proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, using real-world numbers, that under the agency model authors make more money than under Amazon's author/serf model.

Everyone can see that this suit was just Amazon using the DOJ as a cat's paw. It's meritless. And the people who are actually on the authors' side (hint: It isn't Amazon) are saying so.
 

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I thought I had something to say, but then I saw a kitten...


Oh, I remember ... I could figure out that "legacy published" means commercially published, and self-published (which should be self-explanatory) but "Amazon published?" Maybe that's like "iTunes published?" What's it called when you're published with or through (but not necessarily by) a specific commercial entity?
 

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(I don't know if "agency publishing model" is a real industry term or just something he made up
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The Agency Model is is really what it's called.


This suit was just Amazon using the DOJ as a cat's paw. It's meritless. And the people who are actually on the authors' side (hint: It isn't Amazon) are saying so.

This, pretty much. I love Amazon for some reason, but I'm pretty sure they're evil.
 

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I think the next person who posts a link to Konrath's blog should be given a time out to contemplate their sins. Mac? Medi?

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Blimey. The DoJ must be getting really tired of all these open letters self-publishing shock-bloggers are sending it.

I'm going to send an open letter to my milkman. It'll have about as much effect on the DoJ's processes as these letters will.
 

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Blimey. The DoJ must be getting really tired of all these open letters self-publishing shock-bloggers are sending it.

I'm going to send an open letter to my milkman. It'll have about as much effect on the DoJ's processes as these letters will.

I doubt they even get to the DoJ. Somewhere, some poor intern is scratching his head in confusion.

Scary thing to ponder tho and it's probably been suggested. It's really creepy cult behavior.
 

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My husband is a Chartered Surveyor, but he doesn't survey houses: he specialises in minerals extraction rights, mines, quarries, and landfills.

Part of his work involves making planning applications for these things which are, although very necessary, extremely unpopular. The planning applications he's involved in attract a very large amount of local opposition. Petitions are raised, websites are opened, letters are written and protests are organised.

A lot of effort is put into all of these objections, but it rarely has any effect whatsoever on the planning process because the people who make these objections fail to do one simple thing: they don't look at the requirements of the planning application system before submitting their objections.

Consequently, many of the objections which are raised against such applications--in some cases, all of them--are not eligible to be considered by the planning committees who pass judgement on the applications even if they make valid and useful points (which they often don't, but that's another issue!).

I have seen several of these open letters now and each time I see a new one, I wonder: have the people sending them read, understood, and complied with the requirements of the receiving Court? Because if not, they might just as well save their breath.

Unless, of course, they don't care what the DoJ thinks of their open letter, and their prime motivation is to be seen to be objecting to stuff.
 

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Ugh. I'm tired of giving Konrath more free publicity. We have several threads already going that discuss the DoJ actions and Agency Model Pricing. Let's use those for discussion and PLEASE no more links to Konrath rants. Please.
 

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Soccer Mom said it was OK to post the actual address for DOJ letters about the lawsuit/settlement.

The DOJ is soliciting responses until June 25, 2012:

John R. Read
Chief, Litigation III Section
United States Department of Justice
450 5th St. NW
Suite 4000
Washington DC 20530
 
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