Second Life? The online World that will become the new world

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I wonder how many other students are left who rarely use facebook and have no desire to...?

*raises hand*

I never saw the point of Facebook. I once had a Myspace account, but ended up deleting it because I didn't see the point of it either. However, I was recently forced to open a Facebook account because my friends refused to tell me about parties and events IRL because 'they were on facebook'. So I ended up missing a lot of gatherings and whatnot because it's SO FREAKING HARD to tell a person you see EVERY #$&( DAY that there's something coming up. Which has only made me hate Facebook even more. Ugh.
 

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So I was flipping through Second Life for Old Dudes today (sigh) and I'm a little vague on the economics of it. Sounds like there's some sort of in-game currency--do you earn that or do you buy it off whoever runs the server?
 

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Yup, Linden Dollars.
You can exchange real world dollars for Linden Dollars inworld at their official exchange, lindex (have to be logged in to get there, I think.)

Rates fluctuate based on supply and demand, but over the last few years they have remained fairly stable at approximately 250 Linden Dollars (L$) to the US Dollar.
Or from a number of outworld, online locations.
 

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Sheryl, I heart you for linking Inspire! I have a buddy that plays music there from time to time! :-D

For you gamers out there, there is a RPG presence in SL from vampire RP to Star Trek, B5 and even Battlestar Galactica (which I got sucked into for a while ack). The people who create the world in SL are artists themselves building everything from scratch so I agree with the person who said it's kind of a techie's world. But everyone can enjoy it. :)

I rather like the idea of incorporating interactive bits of AW in there with writing related meetings, discussions and workshops. It can definitely work!

Some more SL writer and game related linkies for ya:
Athena Isle Writers Blog (Where LA Banks and a few other authors met for chat)
October Country (audio and radio shows by authors like H.P. Lovecraft, Ray Bradbury, Stephen King, etc.)
Info about this year's past SL Book Fair (including workshops, etc)
Book and Library events in SL (Kghia adds weekly book events for visitors)
BSG21 Mercury RP (They based their design on the Pegasus Mercury class ship)
Star Trek Museum in SL (They had some heavy duty technical books on warp drives, the science of ST, a few Trek novels and some real life documents donated by the scientists that worked at JPL available for download one of the rooms)

Some friends of mine built the Babylon 5 sim for RP and I heard JMS went on a tour of the structure and gave them nice compliments! :) I thought that was pretty cool!
 

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Used Second Life for two days, then I bored out of it and forgot all about it until I saw it again on CSI: NY

The fact we are creating The Matrix is a scary thought that I hope it doesn't become real, but I doubt it since we need other things to survive... until we become one with the internet a la Serial Experiment Lain
 

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*raises hand*

I never saw the point of Facebook. I once had a Myspace account, but ended up deleting it because I didn't see the point of it either. However, I was recently forced to open a Facebook account because my friends refused to tell me about parties and events IRL because 'they were on facebook'. So I ended up missing a lot of gatherings and whatnot because it's SO FREAKING HARD to tell a person you see EVERY #$&( DAY that there's something coming up. Which has only made me hate Facebook even more. Ugh.

Totally agree; my friends and classmates does the same thing. Instead I recieve plants and foolish seasonal gifts.

How the hell an anthropomorphic plant in a virtual network of computers is going to same the rain forest? eh?!?
 

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Used Second Life for two days, then I bored out of it and forgot all about it until I saw it again on CSI: NY

The fact we are creating The Matrix is a scary thought that I hope it doesn't become real, but I doubt it since we need other things to survive... until we become one with the internet a la Serial Experiment Lain

Yeah, my experience was the same. Tried it for one day, got bored, deleted my account (on a second thought, maybe I didn't. what happens to the avatars that have been forgotten by their RL personna? *cue creepy music*).

Anyway, I'll take a real-life situation any day of the week. Even if my friends are dicks about it and most of my IRL interaction occur over the top of a laptop computer, and I have to fight Facebook for my friends' attention even when they're sitting right in front of me.

*sigh*
 

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Yeah, my experience was the same. Tried it for one day, got bored, deleted my account (on a second thought, maybe I didn't. what happens to the avatars that have been forgotten by their RL personna? *cue creepy music*).

Anyway, I'll take a real-life situation any day of the week. Even if my friends are dicks about it and most of my IRL interaction occur over the top of a laptop computer, and I have to fight Facebook for my friends' attention even when they're sitting right in front of me.

*sigh*

They stay there... reunite and plan to take over our bodies!!!


Same here, sadly. I actually think I get better with people through a computer than in real life, which is quite sad... but overdependence on technology worries me. I don't want to end up living in a technobiologic fetus
 

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Anyway, I'll take a real-life situation any day of the week. Even if my friends are dicks about it and most of my IRL interaction occur over the top of a laptop computer, and I have to fight Facebook for my friends' attention even when they're sitting right in front of me.

*sigh*

I never tried MySpace. Facebook worked really well for me when I was in school. It launched my freshman year, and it was incredibly useful, at a major university, to get in touch with people in your classes if you needed a hand. It was a good tool to check out parties and meet people, etc.

Now, I never fell into any applications, because I found those kind of silly. And now that I'm out of school, I don't use it too often--only to leave a note to people I don't get to see every day or see how classmates who have moved across the country are doing. I could send an email, but I think Facebook has been established as the more casual option if I want to drop a note.
 

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None of the online worlds like Second Life or whatever hold any appeal to me. The worlds and people I write about are just so many thousands of times more interesting. Before I started writing I was hugely into The Sims, though (which isn't quite the same as something like Second Life because it's single-player, but still). I had ALL the mods, expansions, and cheat codes for The Sims. Despite not normally being a technical person, I could make that game do just about anything (obviously because I put the time into learning). Once I started writing The Sims seemed very silly and boring compared to the endless worlds of my own imagination, though, and I eventually gave the only computer I had powerful enough to run the game to my mom. My gaming life now consists of Mah-Jong and Diner Dash to relax sometimes, and I think my life is much better for it. Computer games of all types are either time-wasters or dangerous second-worlds that can end up replacing reality (writing is the only thing that should ever replace reality :) ). I have some friends who miss out on a lot of things in real life because they can't drag themselves away from their computers and video games and I think that's kind of sad.

The only 'social' technology I like are web-cams. So much better than just talking on the telephone. I wish those had been wide-spread when I was a teenager. I know some people who get a lot out MySpace too (without letting it consume their real lives).
 

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I've been in and out of MMORPGs since the beta for UO.
Over the years I've discovered the MMORPGs I really enjoy playing
have a big emphasis on freely plundering the other players, which paradoxically makes for stronger social interaction since you desperately
need allies in a mad free-for-all of murderous mayhem.

You just described Shadowbane. Did you play?

(I was IC for TAN (The Aelfborn Nation), which later became the core of GoA (Guardians of Aerynth).)
 

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The only 'social' technology I like are web-cams. So much better than just talking on the telephone. I wish those had been wide-spread when I was a teenager. I know some people who get a lot out MySpace too (without letting it consume their real lives).

Yeah, web cams are awesome. I remember when I first used one with this girl I knew. She took off her top, then I took of my pants and...

Wait.

Er

I didn't say that. No one else here heard that.

But, really, I was in a discussion about virtual interaction and how it was taking place of human interaction and, well...without virtual interaction, my life would be far less rich than it is now. I'd know less and I'd be more stressed.

See, I have a pen pall. I can and do tell everything that I do to my pen pall. I can get away with it because, unlike here, my mom doesn't *read* my E-mails.

At least she better not.

And there is something very nice about being able to unburden yourself to someone who lives really really far away. It lets you talk without worrying about the consequences. Cause, see, my pen pall is never going to meet any of my friends (unless she bumps into Sam, who actually moved up to Canda...eep) and thusly, she can never tell my friends about all the times I've bitched about them!

Its nice, because I get to bitch to someone who won't and CAN'T blab. And its nice because I get to hear her bitching.

Oh, and we occasionally exchange works of writing for critiquing. Though, lately, we've both been really slow. Sadness.

The following rant is tangentally related to this thread and not aimed at anyone in particular.

So, what really boggles my mind is when people talk about how virtual interaction "scares" them. Or get upset about it. No one here has really said that, but I've seen/heard other people who go wahwah about the internet, instant messengers, Facebook, MMOs and so on. And I just have to say...jeeze lousie, chill out!

IMs, Facebook, MMOs, and so on are NOT going to replace human interaction! There are and always will be a minority of people who replace their lives with computers. But, wait, they're still communicating. They're still talking. They're still living. They're just doing it in a different way. We're supposed to be tolerant, arn't we? So why is it that it seems that people can get away with being intolerant of the lonely nerd's life style? I mean, its their life. How'd you feel if I chose your life style and picked it apart for all the problems it had?

You know, that rant wasn't really aimed at anyone here...its just, talking about this subject lead to me thinking about this other subject...

Hmm. I should put a warning at the top of this so as to not offendinate anyone.

Right. So, now that I've completely screwed up the timeline of this post with my space/time editing and so on, I'll continue.

See, the internet is a wonderful tool like most things that humanity has invented. It can be used for good and for evil. And for pornography. Delicious pornography.

Where was I going with this?

Oh right, and as a only slightly connected comment, I have to say that if someone who loses themselves in a video game didn't have video games, they'd get lost in movies. Or they'd get lost in comics. Or they'd get lost in books.

Some people just don't like the real world. Blaming video games for their predicamant is kinda odd to me...

So, to summerize:

Webcams are fun
Video games are fun.
Fun things used to exsess are bad
Some people always use things to exsess, no matter what those things are
I like pie.

I think that covers eveything. I bet I'm going to wake up tommorow, read this post, and ask myself: Why am I posting at 2 in the morning again?

Oh, and as a PS: I do want to say that calling Video Games time wasters when you are writing NOVELS is kinda hypocritical. Games are just like novels, movies, and TV shows. They're forms of artistic expression that should be explored and enjoyed.


Oh and as a PS, re-written to be less of a jerky thing to say: I do wanna say that calling Video Games "time wasters" strikes me as a bit odd for anyone who writes a novel to say. I mean, novels are "time wasters" by the definition I know. So are movies and TV shows. All of the above are, in my opinion, forms of artistic expression that should be explored and enjoyed by as many people as possible.
 
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Some pretty big tech companies have Second Life presence as well - IBM, Cisco, Sun Microsystems - among others. Recruiting firms love finding candidates there (Tower Consultants did an article a year back about how they placed HR execs at firms via SL)
However it appears that companies are leave Second Life in droves.

The article here points out that if you amortise the costs, the Top Five companies were paying $21.20 to $180 PER VISITOR.

No matter how you convert those visits to something tangible (like sales or potential contacts), that is absolutely lousy ROI.

Especially when the peak # of visitors for all time seems to be about 40,000 accounts. The official Linden figures give the number of active accounts at about 600,000 ... with 'active' being defined as being online for at least one hour in the entire month !
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I never tried MySpace.
I went into MySpace first, and early on, it didn't seem like much. Slowly, my friends list grew and I began forming friendships with other writers. I actually attended a writer's group here in town (earlier this month) based on a friendship I formed through MySpace.

Some friends of mine tried to get me to join Facebook, but I couldn't see the point...until a relative of mine began using it to post family pictures. So I joined.

Facebook just has a really backwards-ass "control panel" compared to MySpace, so I rarely use it...and most of my information on FB comes from a feed from Twitter.
 

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Facebook shot itself in the foot with its 'new look'. I haven't met anyone who's praised it. I wouldn't be surprised if 'Facebook Classic' makes a reappearance.
 

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So, what really boggles my mind is when people talk about how virtual interaction "scares" them. Or get upset about it. No one here has really said that, but I've seen/heard other people who go wahwah about the internet, instant messengers, Facebook, MMOs and so on. And I just have to say...jeeze lousie, chill out!

IMs, Facebook, MMOs, and so on are NOT going to replace human interaction!

I mostly agree. I've found that the internet has enhanced some of my personal relationships. I've had lunch, dinner, coffee, and even a few personal encounters with internet friends.

Its fun to have cyber friends, then be on a business trip and realize that you are only a couple of hours away from "FunnyMom" or "KPL89".

I encourage everyone to embrace this aspect of the new social order.

The same thing that is being said about the internet is the exact same argument (when viewed in the proper context) as when the telephone was invented.

Back then, the telephone was so revolutionary, they predicted people would no longer need to go out and actually meet, that it would be the death or personal relationships.

Mel...
 

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What bothers me about Facebook is that people do use it to replace social interactions. Even people that see me every day won't tell me about upcoming parties and etc. because "it's on facebook" and I somehow have the obligation to check it if I want to keep up with my friends. Fine, I got a Facebook account.

But what I really, really can't stand, is sitting across the table from a friend and trying to have a conversation while their attention is on Facebook. Why the fuck do they need to talk to friends that aren't there if they're ignoring the friends that are there? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

That, or my friendships are not of the quality I thought them to be. Man, I miss my hometown so much...
 

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What bothers me about Facebook is that people do use it to replace social interactions. Even people that see me every day won't tell me about upcoming parties and etc. because "it's on facebook" and I somehow have the obligation to check it if I want to keep up with my friends. Fine, I got a Facebook account.

But what I really, really can't stand, is sitting across the table from a friend and trying to have a conversation while their attention is on Facebook. Why the fuck do they need to talk to friends that aren't there if they're ignoring the friends that are there? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

That, or my friendships are not of the quality I thought them to be. Man, I miss my hometown so much...

Exactly, just last night I found out my friends from the language school were going to a baseball game and planning to go hiking. The reason they didn't tell me nothing about it? "It's on facebook" while I see this people four freaking days every week