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I posted the beginning to my story a looong time ago in this thread, and got insanely helpful feedback because the beginning was initially too passive and needed to start on an image. My first three sentences are ultimately different now, but I thought it'd be helpful to see if I did a better job at making them more compelling/interesting.

They were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its body black and oily in the moonlight.

I would read on. I'm a fan of atmosphere and voice, this offers both. "black and oily in the moonlight is lovely." That said, I would change it so the second and third sentences don't both start with "A" (if the man is a main character, or the only man in the scene, you could simply refer to him as The man). I was slightly tripped up by the use of the word "reared" to describe the child's movement. Reared made me think the child was about to fall off the man's shoulders and split his/her head open. ;)
 

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Here's something I wish to have feedback on:

"I know something is wrong the moment I wake up.

My eyes jerk open as rough hands seize my shoulders, forcing me to scramble to my feet. The sunlight is too piercing and for a moment, all I can see is a dizzying, brilliant white, until the world resolves into details and I find myself staring straight into the eyes of my father."

Beyond what has already been mentioned, re openings using waking up often being a turn off for readers and potential agents/editors, I like the tone, but would like to see you streamline this.

I like Southpaw's suggestions, and would love to see what the third sentence would then be. :)
 

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I posted the beginning to my story a looong time ago in this thread, and got insanely helpful feedback because the beginning was initially too passive and needed to start on an image. My first three sentences are ultimately different now, but I thought it'd be helpful to see if I did a better job at making them more compelling/interesting.

They were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its body black and oily in the moonlight.

I'm not sure I like starting out with "they." Maybe more specific like, "Victoria and her Daddy" or something along those lines.

Otherwise, it looks like it might be a fun fantasy, so I'd read on a bit.
 

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Here's something I wish to have feedback on:

"I know something is wrong the moment I wake up.

My eyes jerk open as rough hands seize my shoulders, forcing me to scramble to my feet. The sunlight is too piercing and for a moment, all I can see is a dizzying, brilliant white, until the world resolves into details and I find myself staring straight into the eyes of my father."

There is a reason waking-up openings are cliche, and this one highlights that reason: it's an easy entry into a sudden burst of action from the very beginning. That's also why they're tempting to write and jarring to read.

First-person present-tense is difficult to maintain in novel form. Go ahead if you want to try, but you might find yourself regretting it as the novel progresses.

"Until the world resolves into details" doesn't match with my experience, by the way. I see it all the time on movie and television screens—the bright light focusing in until details become visible, but in my own experience waking up to bright lights, everything is initially visible, if painful to look at.

Again, the whole thing reads very cinematic instead of like a novel.

Maybe start a little earlier, not right in the middle of the action, and try thinking like a reader, not a moviegoer. I think the last line has a nice hook, if the father is a gangster type or something akin, but I wouldn't read on in its present state.
 
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I agree with CJ--too many openings start with waking. You could still have the father finding the character unaware at a different time/place. Watch your filtering. Good luck!

Hello Mary Love, thanks for your crit. May I know what you mean when you say 'watch your filtering'? I don't quite understand what the term "filtering" is.
 

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There is a reason waking-up openings are cliche, and this one highlights that reason: it's an easy entry into a sudden burst of action from the very beginning. That's also why they're tempting to write and jarring to read.

First-person present-tense is difficult to maintain in novel form. Go ahead if you want to try, but you might find yourself regretting it as the novel progresses.

"Until the world resolves into details" doesn't match with my experience, by the way. I see it all the time on movie and television screens—the bright light focusing in until details become visible, but in my own experience waking up to bright lights, everything is initially visible, if painful to look at.

Again, the whole thing reads very cinematic instead of like a novel.

Maybe start a little earlier, not right in the middle of the action, and try thinking like a reader, not a moviegoer. I think the last line has a nice hook, if the father is a gangster type or something akin, but I wouldn't read on in its present state.

Hello leifwright, may I know exactly what you mean by 'thinking more like a reader'? Is there a distinction between cinematic writing and novelly writing? If so, what is it?
 
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Hello leifwright, may I know exactly what you mean by 'thinking more like a reader'? Is there a distinction between cinematic writing and novelly writing? If so, what is it?

I think it's a very subjective distinction. In my never-humble opinion, cinematic writing is writing that feels better for the storytelling format of a movie. For instance, waking-up openings. Light, responding more to the technological limitations of a camera than the biological limitations of eyes, washing completely out and only including objects when the focus and light level have reached acceptable levels. There's nothing inherently wrong with using cinematic writing for a novel, so long as you keep in mind that the reader wants to have narration as well.

Novel writing is much more introspective, more keyed to the imagination of the reader. This is a personal taste, but in my books, I tend to skimp on physical descriptions of my characters unless it is important to the plot. That allows the reader to put herself or himself in the main character's shoes, to project her own tastes on the romantic interest. To steal a line from Howard Stern, it's like porn: nobody wants to see too much of the character they're imagining to be themselves, because it ruins the illusion.

My novels all have their share of cinematic writing, but they are largely novel-type narratives that leave huge gaps for the reader's imagination. More to the point, they eschew movie cliches that are prisoners of the technology of making movies, in favor of realistic descriptions of how life really moves.

If you want a specific example related to your opening, sit in a dark room—completely dark—for ten minutes or so, and then abruptly turn on the lights and try to look at something. Unlike in the movies, you will be able to see what you're looking at immediately. It will suck, and it will hurt, but the light will not blind you as it does in the movies, only slowly coming into focus.

As far as thinking like a reader, understand that you have a keen picture in your mind of what you're writing and how you understand the characters, the plot and the situations to be. But the reader has none of that. They only know what you show them. That means re-reading what you've written with the understanding that the only thing the reader knows for sure is what you've already told them. And then understand that the reader is reading this work, not watching it on the screen of your mind. They do not see the picture you see in your mind, you have to paint it for them.
 
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They[who? A crowd, a village, or just these two?] were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the [suggest: insert adjective here, to suggest night] sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed[suggest:different verb to suggest speed -- 'rushed', 'lingered'] over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its [suggest: move 'scaled' to here] body black and oily in the moonlight.
Wyvern watching? I'd read on.
 

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I posted the beginning to my story a looong time ago in this thread, and got insanely helpful feedback because the beginning was initially too passive and needed to start on an image. My first three sentences are ultimately different now, but I thought it'd be helpful to see if I did a better job at making them more compelling/interesting.

They were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its body black and oily in the moonlight.

Overall, I like this. I'd read on to find out more about the wyverns and the people in this world and their relationship with the wyverns. What it seems to lack (at the moment) (and if stuff like this comes in the next few lines it's not really an issue) is any tension. The people and the wyverns seem happy. It's interesting from a worldbuilding point of view - people who go out at night to see the wyverns - so I would read on to find out more about them and see what happens next.

I like how it looks black in the moonlight because it annoys me when characters in books can see in vivid colour when moonlight is the only source of light.

Nitpick: I couldn't relate to the child rearing back. I don't think a child would lean back to see it. Lean their head back, maybe. It takes a lot of core strength to lean back from that position, and kids' heads are heavy relative to their body size. In my experience (both in remembering being a kid riding on my dad's shoulders, and in carrying my own kids this way and seeing them carried this way by my ex), the kid would cling on to the dad's forehead and look up, bending their neck. Or they may lean back a little, while still clinging to the adult's head. There's also the fear of falling backwards (which I remember from when I was a kid) - your head is a long way from the ground when you're 4 years old and sitting on an adults' shoulders. Normally your head is waist height to an adult and suddenly it's even higher up than an adult's head. That feels like a very long way to fall.

Nitpick aside, I like it and would read on.
 

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Here's something I wish to have feedback on:

"I know something is wrong the moment I wake up.

My eyes jerk open as rough hands seize my shoulders, forcing me to scramble to my feet. The sunlight is too piercing and for a moment, all I can see is a dizzying, brilliant white, until the world resolves into details and I find myself staring straight into the eyes of my father."

I don't mind waking up openings if the situation they're waking up into is interesting and exciting enough, but this really doesn't have much going on besides the MC being woken by his or her father. There's a hint that something's wrong in sentence 1, but it's telling at this point, not showing. It also seems like an awful lot of words to describe something that's basically mundane and secondary to whatever bad thing's going on. You could say it much more plainly as "my father wakes me and I know something's wrong right away".

It comes across like you're focusing on the wrong things, i.e. vivid description of an everyday, mundane thing that we all go through, rather than bigging up the thing that's wrong.

I agree with what Leif said about the description of what's being seen reading more like it's shot through a camera than seen through human eyes - you get that effect by starting off with the aperture much too wide, then making it smaller until there's the right amount of light coming into the camera, but human eyes don't work like that. Suddenly turning the light on a night is painful, but you get a clear, sharp image of what's there (albeit that you might want to close your eyes tight again because of the pain). If she or he's sleeping somewhere where it's already lit, then she or he's not going to even experience any pain on opening his or her eyes, because your eyelids don't block out all light and your eyes adjust to night or day vision mode while you sleep. It might be hard to open your eyes quickly if you're still sleepy, but you'll see everything clearly and without any pain when you do open them.

If you want to convey that the character felt themselves being pulled to their feet before they could see what's going on, instead of "my eyes jerk open", have "before I can open my eyes, rough hands seize my shoulders..." or something (this is to illustrate a concept, it's not a suggestion of what exact wording to use). Though given how many people are put off by waking up openings (it literally becomes "yet another waking up opening" because so many writers start stories this way... I don't even know why it's so common) you could just start with him or her already awake and being told whatever the bad news is by his father, or being dragged into the thick of whatever's going on.

On the positive side, while I've nitpicked issues related to the content of the opening (which is opinion, not fact, in any case), the way you've written it is clear and you have a nice writing style and you're good at describing things. IMO it's a question of where to start and what to focus your description on.
 
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I posted the beginning to my story a looong time ago in this thread, and got insanely helpful feedback because the beginning was initially too passive and needed to start on an image. My first three sentences are ultimately different now, but I thought it'd be helpful to see if I did a better job at making them more compelling/interesting.

They were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its body black and oily in the moonlight.

I love the image you paint in that third sentence ('cut through the clouds,' 'oily' (great adjective there; it's unexpected and fresh)), although I agree with Bufty's comments about the small clarity issues. "They" is ambiguous; does it refer only to the man and child, or is there a group of people there, and the man and child only a part of it? Also, I can't tell from these sentences whether the POV is omniscient or whether someone not yet identified is observing the man and child.

I think the first sentence could be rewritten. It reads as kind of flat and lazy, and it doesn't hook up well to the second sentence, where the wyvern has already been spotted. It could be something as simple as: "The villagers waited until nearly dawn before the first wyvern appeared..."
 

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Here's something I wish to have feedback on:

"I know something is wrong the moment I wake up.Considering what happens in the next sentence, this is stating the patently obvious. Anyone who is jerked awake by rough hands knows something is wrong.

My eyes jerk open as rough hands seize my shoulders, forcing me to scramble to my feet. The sunlight is too piercing and for a moment, all I can see is a dizzying, brilliant white, until the world resolves into details and I find myself staring straight into the eyes of my father."

I think you could start this when the character is rudely escorted to his/her father, rather than at the moment of awakening.
 

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nobody wants to see too much of the character they're imagining to be themselves

I imagine plenty of readers, including myself, don't imagine themselves to be the main character or viewpoint character. Just sayin.'
 

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They were waiting for the wyverns. A man pointed to the sky, and the child on his shoulders reared back in awe. A shadow passed over them as a great scaled beast cut through the clouds, its body black and oily in the moonlight.

I like this. The third sentence is terrific with gorgeous imagery. Sentences 1 and 2 work for me. I get a feeling that lots of people are waiting ('They', sentence 1) but only one of the large number ('A man', sentence 2) pointed to the sky. From skimming other responses, my reading is not the only one available so decide how precisely you want to set things up. Likewise, I'm quite comfortable with past imperfect constructions (They were waiting') as a lead-in to something else. These three sentences give me set-up (a crowd waiting for a fantastic beast) and genre, a detail (a father and child, and that child's excitement) and the glorious arrival of the wyvern. As an enticement to read on it's perfect.

That said, rereading here (and I'm giving the lines far more attention here than I would as a reader of a novel), I did wonder how the shadow in the moonlight thing worked if there were also clouds. I have to imagine the moon is in one part of the sky and the clouds in another - you can see the moon through thin clouds but you need it unimpeded for sharp shadows. My other tweak would be to the child's movement: 'reared back' is awkward, because 'reared' is elevating and 'back' implies movement on the horizontal.
 

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"I know something is wrong the moment I wake up.

My eyes jerk open as rough hands seize my shoulders, forcing me to scramble to my feet. The sunlight is too piercing and, for a moment, all I can see is a dizzying, brilliant white, until the world resolves into details and I find myself staring straight into the eyes of my father."

I think everyone else has mentioned the perils of the waking-up opening. In this case I do think you could drop sentence 1 (that you've put it on a separate line suggests you didn't think it belonged with the rest). Start with the rough hands (so cut the eyes opening too; anyway, you've got the father's eyes in sentence 3 and having the narrator's here weakens the effect of his). That's the beginning of the story and, more importantly, is vivid: something is changing and we're seeing that change. The other thing that didn't ring true to experience is the too-bright sunlight causing the narrator to see only brilliant white. Sunlight isn't white (even white light isn't white, but that's beside the point). It's not a deal-breaker, by any means, but I'd think about tweaking nonetheless. I'd read on, wondering what the confrontation between narrator and their father is going to bring.
 

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OK, here I am again, still trying to come up with an opening for the same novel. So far the help I've been getting has been really useful. Hopefully I'm moving in the right direction. I may never make it, but I'm not giving up either.
So here's my latest attempt:

The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics, like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse, he couldn’t even do that.

Thanks!
 

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OK, here I am again, still trying to come up with an opening for the same novel. So far the help I've been getting has been really useful. Hopefully I'm moving in the right direction. I may never make it, but I'm not giving up either.
So here's my latest attempt:

The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics, like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse, he couldn’t even do that.

Thanks!

I think the second sentence isn't needed. It seems like you didn't trust us to figure that out (we did). I'm not to sure about "were engraved", but not enough that it bothers me. Of course, the last sentence is confusing, but I trust the next sentence will explain it. I'd read on.
 

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OK, here I am again, still trying to come up with an opening for the same novel. So far the help I've been getting has been really useful. Hopefully I'm moving in the right direction. I may never make it, but I'm not giving up either.
So here's my latest attempt:

The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics, like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse; he couldn’t even do that.

Thanks!

I was a little confused by this opener. The reference to "other inmates" made me think Howard was an inmate of whatever institution this is, but the sentence about Howard's father made me wonder if Howard was just a visitor. The first sentence feels like two sentences cobbled together; I think you'd be better off breaking it up.

The imagery of bars being "engraved on Howard's corneas" didn't work for me - IMO it's just a little too labored. However, I did like the description of the girl's symptoms, but that was also the most interesting part of these three sentences, and I'm not sure you want that unless she's something more than a bit player in this scenario.

I remember your earlier opener, with the little girl and her doll in bed. Is this from the same story?
 
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The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics, like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse, he couldn’t even do that.

Thanks!

"Engraved on Howard's corneas" isn't working for me, not least because it would be retinas, not corneas. The cornea is like the "window" in the front of the eye. The light-sensitive cells - the bits that actually detect light - are in the retina. When you get an after-image from looking at a bright light, that's because the light-sensitive cells in the retina keep firing for a little while. The actual image you see is made in the visual cortex, which is part of your brain. Even if you said the image was engraved on someone's retina, I'd think of the after-image you get from looking at bright light.

If, on the other hand, you mean he has something on his cornea akin to a computer screen that gives him info, "engraved" would be completely the wrong word. Also, if you put images on someone's cornea, the brain stops seeing it after a while, i.e. the information is disregarded by the visual cortex and you don't see it any more. The brain is weird like that. So a permanent image being on someone's cornea doesn't work.

Regarding "his father was worse, he couldn't even do that" - whose father? and who couldn't do that? - this sentence needs some adjustment for clarification. It's not clear to me if Howard's father is worse because, due to the way Howard was raised, Howard isn't even able to act like a dog. Or if you mean Howard's father was in a worse condition than the aforementioned patients and couldn't even act like a dog. (Plus it contains a comma splice that needs to be fixed.)

I'd read on to find out more about the teenage girl who's barking at approaching cars and digging in the garden with her bare hands. I want to know the background as to why she's acting like that. Is she a feral child (raised by dogs without any human contact)? And is Howard also a feral child (if you interpret the "his father was worse..." sentence the way I did first time). I'd keep reading to learn more about them.

The rather insensitive way it describes mentally ill people needs to be justifiable in the context (e.g. if it's set in a time and place where there was no better understanding of mental illness).
 

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Hello Mary Love, thanks for your crit. May I know what you mean when you say 'watch your filtering'? I don't quite understand what the term "filtering" is.

There are a lot of good articles that explain it. Here's one. It may just be me, but I had the impression that your kind of overwriting veered in that direction, so I thought it was worth mentioning.
 

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The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics, like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse, he couldn’t even do that.

Thanks everyone who commented so far.
The engraved part was a lame attempt to say Howard couldn't forget the sight. I'll find a better way and rewrite it.
Apologies if the description of mental patients was insensitive. That wasn't my intention. Howard is just angry at seeing his father in a horrible situation in a mental institution where Howard doesn't think he belongs.
The line about his father being worse, that is because Howard's father had both his hands amputated, so he couldn't even dig in the garden with his bare hands, like the girl.
That girl, by the way, never shows up again. So I hope the reader won't feel cheated I used her as a means to grab attention.
Thanks again!
 

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The bars on the windows were engraved on Howard’s corneas, <--I know what you meant by that but it's a rather jolting way to start a story, as it presents a literal image that's hard to banish, even when we know it's metaphorical as were the faces of the other patients, some catatonic, some raving lunatics,<--unfresh like the teenage girl who barked at approaching cars and dug in the garden with her bare hands. Did she think she was a dog?
His father was worse,<--should be a semi-colon he couldn’t even do that.<--who (Howard?) couldn't do what?

This could use some smoothing out, but assuming Howard is also an inmate at this asylum* (and perhaps the only sane one?), it could prove interesting. I'd read on a little, at least, to see what's going to happen first.

*That assumption is based on the use of "other patients" in the first line.
 
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