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maybe good fodder for weekend deep-dive thread?

from ross douthat's op-ed:

Earlier this month, Adam Bellow wrote a cover story for National Review calling on conservatives to contest the terrain of American culture more fully by investing more heavily in the arts — up to and including including “writing programs, fellowships, prizes, and so forth,” together with new ”production and publishing companies and distribution platforms for music, film, and other forms of conservative-themed entertainment.” (Bellow has founded his own imprint, Liberty Island, dedicated to publishing fiction with conservative, libertarian, and “contrarian” themes.)

Out of the many interesting responses to his argument, I was struck by the partial convergence between NR’s Jonah Goldberg and the literary critic Adam Kirsch, who both argued (albeit in different ways) that Bellow’s essay overlooked how much room there is already for conservative themes in the pop and highbrow arts. Goldberg, focusing on mass culture, pointed out that Hollywood’s movies are often less left-wing than Hollywood’s actual politics (more pro-military, pro-family, queasier about abortion, etc.), and suggested that the entertainment industry knows at some level that if its stories don’t “tap into something real about the human condition, they will fail” — which means that they have to encompass conservatives insights and ideas even when their creators are reliable liberal partisans. Kirsch, meanwhile, argued that the conservative “temperament” and attitude toward reality is ”in fact a major strain in contemporary American literature,” visible in works by authors like David Foster Wallace and Zadie Smith, or Philip Roth and Bellow’s own late, famous father … and he accused Bellow fils of seeking something else, something fundamentally un-conservative — a fiction infused with “simpleminded ideological dogmas,” which are by “their very nature hostile to literature, which lives or dies by its sense of reality.”
from adam bellow's original essay:

The Left has always demonized conservatives, and many of my authors have been subject to that kind of ugly treatment. Those who cannot win an argument often fall back on ad hominem attacks. In the past we could ignore such attacks — indeed, they often worked in our favor. But lately they have taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Those who dissent from the prevailing liberal dogma are quickly branded as extremists and declared to be bad people. Do you support the traditional view of marriage? You’re a homophobe who wants to deny equal rights to gay Americans. Do you question the economic benefits of raising the minimum wage? You are a selfish Scrooge who hates the working class. Do you want America to establish control over its borders? You hate hard-working immigrants who just want to enjoy the American dream. Do you believe a human fetus has legal and natural rights? You are a misogynist who wants to control women’s bodies. Do you support the death penalty in certain cases? You’re a heartless savage no better than the killers themselves, according to Charles Blow of the New York Times. Do you oppose any aspect whatsoever of Barack Obama’s transformative agenda for America? You’re a racist. Racist, racist, racist!

This is a bare-knuckled attempt to enforce an ideological orthodoxy by policing the boundaries of acceptable speech. The methods used — anonymous accusers, public shaming, forced apologies, reeducation programs — come straight out of the Stalinist playbook, and they are not only shockingly illiberal. They are shockingly effective.
from alyssa rosenberg:

So in the spirit of the friendly opposition (and as a potential reader and reviewer of the books Bellow hopes to inspire), I hope Bellow will not mind if I offer a little advice to conservative writers.

Norwegian novelist Karl Ove Knausgaard laid down a set of rules in the first volume of his six-part autobiographical novel “My Struggle” that might be useful for Bellow and those he hopes to inspire.

“That is its sole law: everything has to submit to form,” Knausgaard writes. “If any of literature’s other elements are stronger than form, such as style, plot, theme, if any of these overtake form, the result suffers. That is why writers with a strong style often write bad books. That is also why writers with strong themes so often write bad books. Strong themes and styles have to be broken down before literature can come into being.”

Bellow agrees with this, drawing a clear line between “’cause fiction,’or, more bluntly, literary propaganda. That is simply a right-wing version of socialist realism—the demand that the arts advance a particular social and political agenda,” and stories where “the authors craft dramatic situations and pick heroes and villains that serve more subtly to advance their point of view.”
from rod dreher:

Still, if you look at the list of conservative books that Bellow recommends in his Buzzfeed article, it becomes clear that a major right-wing literary movement is not in the cards anytime soon. And the reason why can be deduced from his own essay—not so much its substance as its tone and emotional atmosphere. What drives Bellow, and seems to drive many of the authors he recommends—for instance, Kurt Schlichter, the author of Conservative Insurgency: The Struggle to Take America Back, 2009-2041—is the same deep-seated resentment that fuels the Tea Party movement. This brew of populism, racial grievance, wounded male pride, and generalized nostalgia excels at generating anger, which when harnessed to politics can do impressive and frightening things. The anger pulses in every line of Bellow’s essay, which begins with an anecdote of his own humiliation at the hands of a feminist speaker at a writer’s workshop (“I didn’t see why I should be called out in front of the group and angrily chastised as though I were merely an embodiment of the white male heterosexual power structure.”)

And it is this very anger that explains why a conservative literary revival, along the lines Bellow desires, is not going to happen. For anger is a not a conservative emotion. Genuine conservatism is something much broader and deeper than a political orientation; it is a temperament, one that looks to the past with reverence and the future with trepidation, and which believes that human nature is not easily changed or improved. Defined in this way, conservatism is in fact a major strain in contemporary American literature.
from jonah goldberg:

Adam Bellow, a storied editor of conservative books, has a similar conviction and is trying to launch a conservative revolt in the world of fiction.

I wish them great success. Still, I think there’s something missing in this ancient conversation on the right (conservatives have been making such arguments since the 1950s — if not the 1450s, with the publication of the Gutenberg Bible). Conservatives refuse to celebrate, or even notice, how much of the popular culture is on their side.
Sure, Hollywood is generally very liberal, but America isn’t.

Judging by their campaign donations, Hollywood liberals are very supportive of abortion rights. But there’s a reason why sitcoms since Maude haven’t had a lot of storylines about abortion. Indeed, nearly every pregnant TV character treats her unborn child as if it’s already a human being.

The Left may be anti-military, but such movies tend to do poorly, which is why we see more pro-military films. Similarly, it’s a safe bet that Hollywood liberals loathe guns. But you wouldn’t know that by what they produce. Not many action stars save the day by quoting a poem. Most Hollywood liberals probably oppose the death penalty, yet they make lots of movies where the bad guy meets a grisly death to the cheers of the audience. The Left rolls its eyes at “family values,” but family values are at the heart of most successful sitcoms and dramas.
from adam kirsch:

It has not always been the case that imaginative writers—novelists, poets, playwrights—are liberals. Look back at the 1920s, the classic decade of modernism, and you’ll find that some of the greatest names were attracted to various kinds of reactionary and even quasi-fascist thought, from T.S. Eliot to Ezra Pound to D.H. Lawrence. For the New York Jewish intellectuals surrounding Partisan Review and Commentary in the mid-20th century, reconciling their literary admiration for such figures with their left-wing political views was the challenge that produced a generation of great critics. Lionel Trilling, in particular, was always reminding the bien-pensant liberals who read the highbrow journals that literature was more disturbing, more ideologically unruly and humanly curious, than conventional left-wing politics allowed.

But when Adam Bellow complains, in a pair of recent articles in National Review and Buzzfeed, that the literary establishment today is a liberal monolith, one has to acknowledge that he’s probably right. Surveys are always showing that something like 95 percent of professors vote Democratic, and I suppose that if a similar survey were taken of novelists, the results would be similar. As an editor, Bellow has shepherded a number of conservative bestsellers into print—books like Illiberal Education and The Bell Curve—but in his National Review essay, he notes that conservatives tend to be more successful at nonfiction argument than imaginative literature. “For years,” he writes, “conservatives have favored the rational left brain at the expense of the right. With apologies to Russell Kirk, the conservative mind is unbalanced—hyper-developed in one respect, completely undeveloped in another. It’s time to correct this imbalance and take the culture war into the field of culture proper.”
 

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It will probably take me more than just the weekend to gather my thoughts on this.

I have always believed, as apparently both sides do, that cause driven ideological works of art are almost always pure crap – whether it be Stalinist propaganda on the virtues of communism or movies about the virtues of Ayn Rand.

But more than that, I have always believed that a conservative viewpoint is antithetical to the creative process. Creativity demands ambiguity, shades of nuance, and openness to many points of view.

Conservatism focuses on right and wrong, black and white, and a rigid view that excludes much of the creative process.

Of course, I realize the conservatives will most certainly disagree with this characterization– in fact they will no doubt be quite offended by the very notion. And in truth, it's hard to reconcile this belief with, say, the poetic genius and ultimate ambiguity of the reactionary T.S. Eliot, as referenced in the quotes.

So, I'm going to have to think on this some more.
 

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Norwegian novelist Karl Ove Knausgaard laid down a set of rules in the first volume of his six-part autobiographical novel “My Struggle” that might be useful for Bellow and those he hopes to inspire.

I cannot help but point out what the German translation of that title is.

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Adam Bellow said:
Those who dissent from the prevailing liberal dogma are quickly branded as extremists and declared to be bad people.
Yeah? And what happens to those who dissent from both the prevailing liberal dogma and the prevailing conservative dogma? They're thoroughly castigated from both sides.

From out here in atheist anti-state land, it's six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. You'll catch as much hell for challenging the fiction of original sin among conservatives as you will for challenging the fiction of the social contract among liberals.

Conservatism is no more out of favor overall than liberalism. As long as you pick a team, both liberals and conservatives know where you stand, and can quickly pigeon-hole you as "enemy, kill" or "friend, protect."

Free-thinking, that's the real danger in this day and age. Oppose the emerging imperialist police state, crony capitalism (crapitalism) or the oligarchy, and you're an obvious threat to both sides of the ideological aisle. The Overton Window of acceptable political discourse is defined by Obama/Clinton on the left, and Romney/McCain on the right. The state and the church are both givens; all that may be discussed is the size of the tailfins.

The biggest political change I've seen in my lifetime is the co-option of the left by the state. Challenging foreign adventurism, crony capitalism and the erosion of civil liberties was much more enjoyable in the days when the left were reliable allies. In many significant ways, the left has become more conservative over the last decade, not more liberal.

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But more than that, I have always believed that a conservative viewpoint is antithetical to the creative process. Creativity demands ambiguity, shades of nuance, and openness to many points of view.
I tend to agree that conservatism is antithetical to creative process but for a different reason. Conservatism is all about preserving tradition and keeping it up on the a pedestal. Art on the other hand is often about knocking tradition off that pedestal, and then stomping it into the ground a few times. Many times, it's about exposing ugly truths or purposefully making the audience uncomfortable. Or it simply asks what is one of the most dreaded questions around, "Why?"

Any ideology that greatly values tradition will always find itself at odds with artistic mediums (writing, games, paintings, acting, etc).
 

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It will probably take me more than just the weekend to gather my thoughts on this.

I have always believed, as apparently both sides do, that cause driven ideological works of art are almost always pure crap – whether it be Stalinist propaganda on the virtues of communism or movies about the virtues of Ayn Rand.

But more than that, I have always believed that a conservative viewpoint is antithetical to the creative process. Creativity demands ambiguity, shades of nuance, and openness to many points of view.

Conservatism focuses on right and wrong, black and white, and a rigid view that excludes much of the creative process.

Lots of interesting stuff here. My first thought is that, even if you're right in a broad sense, there are always going to be notable outliers. I like Yeats a lot, and also Saul Bellow, both right-wing writers. And there are also aspects of Soviet art and Soviet cinema that I find quite admirable.

The problem with Ayn Rand is that she's so political, and that turns a lot of people off, I think. Whereas Saul Bellow has quite a few books that really are just about people, about life and what it means to be human, and that speaks to everyone regardless of the author's politics. You could read a book like Seize the Day and have no idea whether the author was liberal or conservative.

You might find this interesting, excerpted from an interview with Stephen Spender, one of my favorite poets...
I think we would have felt antagonistic to the politics of Eliot and Pound and Yeats if we’d regarded them seriously as fascists, but we couldn’t do so, even today, although Pound, in particular, considerably incriminated himself by supporting Mussolini and being very anti-Semitic. But we admired these writers so much as writers. And even from the cultural point of view, one could admire their attitude. It was simply the extension of it into political action that we didn’t agree with. One thing we used to discuss in the 1930s was whether a fascist could be a good writer. We always decided that he couldn’t because fascism was stupid and inhuman. So by definition a person who was a good writer might call himself a fascist, but couldn’t really be one.

INTERVIEWER

Didn’t you also later decide that a programmatic communist could not be a good writer?

SPENDER

Yes. In the early days, though, before the nature of Stalinism became apparent, there was a lot we admired about Soviet art. We admired Soviet movies extremely, and I think they had a great influence on my work, perhaps also on Isherwood’s work. Christopher Isherwood and I used to study the Berlin newspapers to see what Russian movies there were, and we’d always go and see them. Their imagery, using industrial machinery as a kind of poetic symbolism, like the tractor, the railway engine, factory chimneys, that kind of thing, to us was rather heroic.
 
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I cannot help but point out what the German translation of that title is.

caw

That was my thought, too.

Any ideology that greatly values tradition will always find itself at odds with artistic mediums (writing, games, paintings, acting, etc).

Except that it's in studying those existing traditions that foundations for technique and exploration are laid. That's how new artists find the niches and cracks where they can expand into new territory, hopefully widening those cracks far enough that the niche becomes a fully-developed space where others will in turn find a new crack to expand.

Art is tradition by nature and necessity. In fact, pushing the norm to its edge and inverting or subverting it is the longest-standing tradition there is in the art world.
 

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I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that art cannot be conservative. Most of the ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman art we have was made as support of their governments and religions. The Parthenon was art for the government,

Similarly, the Sistine Chapel ceiling was painted as reinforcement of the dominant culture and relgiion.

The artist as revolutionary is a pretty modern idea. Most art throughout history has been done as part of and reinforcement of the cultural context, not rebellion against it
 
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My definition of art has always been something like that which provokes a reaction in those who experience it.

By that definition, conservative things are definitely art to me :tongue

Joking aside, Douthat seems more like he's asking for conservative propaganda than anything.
 

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I don't know much about artists, but I can think of two authors who sell well who are conservative, and a couple of others I would suspect are based on things they write. I read a lot of mystery and crime novels, and that might be more of a field for conservative writers than others.

I don't think being conservative in and of itself means a person is unable to create art. It might be art that supports their ideas. It might also be that a person is conservative because they considered options in an open-minded way and decided that, for whatever reasons, that is the one they believe. I have met plenty of closed-minded conservatives, yes, but I have also met closed-minded liberals, and open-minded conservatives. I think a person can be conservative and still be creative, and I think that saying a person who is conservative is going to be unable to create art because they are conservative is unfair because there are certainly those who do.
 

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I tend to agree that conservatism is antithetical to creative process but for a different reason. Conservatism is all about preserving tradition and keeping it up on the a pedestal. Art on the other hand is often about knocking tradition off that pedestal, and then stomping it into the ground a few times. Many times, it's about exposing ugly truths or purposefully making the audience uncomfortable. Or it simply asks what is one of the most dreaded questions around, "Why?"

Any ideology that greatly values tradition will always find itself at odds with artistic mediums (writing, games, paintings, acting, etc).

This myth seems to be propagated and spread to see if it becomes accepted as fact.
Conservatism isn't against change, but it is against change for the mere sake of change.
Conservatives weigh both the good and bad, realizing that people are people, some good, some bad, and attempt to weigh the negative against the positive.
Liberalism, to most conservatives, is change for the sake of change, damn the consequences. It's almost like no thought goes into what the negatives will be of their actions.
Both sides can be creative, but the best creativity to me comes from those that are in the middle of the stream, not washed up on either of the banks of extremism.
 

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Conservatism does not and cannot prevent the enjoyment or production of art. It's radicalism that often interferes and makes art insufferable.
 

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Meh.

A lot of "art" sucks wildy. And I don't mean this as some sort of anti-cultural thing at all. People try to make great art and most simply fail. That's the nature of the beast.

The idea that there is a conservative/liberal issue to art as a matter of course is grossly misplaced, imo. Just as is the idea that there is a conservative/liberal angle to people as a matter of course.

It's interesting to see this need to box up everything in one ideological package, though.

As to the specific proliferation of the creative process relative to ideological tendencies, this is not 1503, much less is it 1203. There are creative outlets above and beyond the traditional mediums, outlets that are not really identified as artistic at all.

As to Bellow's central thesis of conservatives needing to "contest the terrain of American culture," I think that's total crap.

As to art being about stomping on tradition and a tradition-based ideology automatically conflicting with artistic mediums, I don't think that's true in the least. But it does make me think of Nietzsche...
 

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It will probably take me more than just the weekend to gather my thoughts on this.

Me too.

But more than that, I have always believed that a conservative viewpoint is antithetical to the creative process.

I don't know if I would agree with this or not, but I do know that arts communities tend to be more liberal. I don't know why this is, but I think it's absolutely true. Theatre communities, music scenes, film communities, all tend to be more liberal. I don't claim to know that liberals are more prone to being creative, but I do think there must be some reason for it.

Your hypothesis is as good as any.
 
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Benluby, that is how conservatism is in sane countries. That is not how it is in the US.

The idea that actual conservatism is alive and well in literature but "conservatism" as it's bandied about is not, because it's too angry and unconducive to literature. There's a difference between the status quo (which a majority of media and art upholds) and literally going backwards (which "conservatism" seems to want).
 

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i posted this shortly before heading off to bed last night, figuring the odds were pretty good that i would come back to a rapidly sinking thread with no replies or a circus of throwing darts at caricatures.

needless to say i am thrilled at the discussion so far and properly ashamed for underestimating folks.
 

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I only hope it's still kicking when I'm done with my marathon work shifts this weekend. Interesting discussion!
 

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i posted this shortly before heading off to bed last night, figuring the odds were pretty good that i would come back to a rapidly sinking thread with no replies or a circus of throwing darts at caricatures.

needless to say i am thrilled at the discussion so far and properly ashamed for underestimating folks.

As others have mentioned, there's a lot of ins/outs to this topic -- it'll take me a bit longer to foment any type of coherent remark.

William - some aim, some am!!
 

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As to art being about stomping on tradition and a tradition-based ideology automatically conflicting with artistic mediums, I don't think that's true in the least. But it does make me think of Nietzsche...

This. Considering how much art was and still is commissioned in the name of religion, it isn't true at all. It's just that art which seems to go against faith is currently more popular at the moment.

As for conservitives vs liberals as mentioned upthread? I feel the best place is middle of the stream instead of too far right or left. I want transgender rights to be universal in this country, and same-sex marriage as well. To some that would make me a liberal. But on the flipside, I believe we should cut spending a decidedly conservitive value. I would even settle for redistribution of money so it benefited people, roads kept up to snuff, our troops adequately cared for medically and financially, teachers being paid decently, and social workers too. If it was being used responsibly, then I can genuinely say I would have little complaint about spending, unless it was truly extremely over the top. But that isn't how it is being spent from what I am able to tell, so I would prefer spending be cut until people can act like adults about the money.
 
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Like, for modern conservative media, you have to look no further than the modern cop show. CSI, Law and Order, etc. They're insanely popular and have a bajillion permutations on TV, and for the most part, they're really, really conservative. The cops are always the good guys even if they have to evade the law. Deviants to the dominant culture are punished, either by law or karmically. And people eat this stuff up.

However, compare this to police shows of the past, like Adam 12 and Dragnet. They do have a lot in common, as deviants are punished and the cops are the good guys. However, aside from the difference in production value, melodrama, and gore, the societal values portrayed in them are different. In the modern shows, children are no longer clueless and innocent, teens are no longer pregnant, drug-addled individuals who don't know what's good for them, and women no longer irrationally dedicated to their husbands or irrationally hateful of them in trying to run away from them, and the white men are no longer always right.

Probably, Dragnet and Adam 12 are what this conservative guy is talking about... but there's no way a show with values like those are going to fly today. The world has changed too much. What's conservative now is not the same thing that's conservative then, and audiences are unwilling to move backwards.
 

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I don't believe art or artistic talent are liberal or conservative, and I think the reason that Hollywood movies are more nuanced and not a caricature of liberalism is because as much as the author in the OP would hate to admit it, the people who make those movies are nuanced and not a caricature of liberalism - nor are they a monolithic group with identical standards and beliefs.

Good art does strike a chord with people, and people are nuanced. What is not nuanced is the sort of slanted art that is really little more than propaganda, as called for by the guy in the OP.
 

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My first thoughts were troublesome and resulted in the snark reflex:

"contest the terrain of American culture"
That's what, one, two steps from censorship?

Yeah, there's a lot in the OP to digest, that deserves considered thought and discussion.

Thank you, sir.
 

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I've always found the 'victim politics' of these right-wingers rather baffling ...

It will probably take me more than just the weekend to gather my thoughts on this.

I have always believed, as apparently both sides do, that cause driven ideological works of art are almost always pure crap – whether it be Stalinist propaganda on the virtues of communism or movies about the virtues of Ayn Rand.

But more than that, I have always believed that a conservative viewpoint is antithetical to the creative process. Creativity demands ambiguity, shades of nuance, and openness to many points of view.

Conservatism focuses on right and wrong, black and white, and a rigid view that excludes much of the creative process.

Of course, I realize the conservatives will most certainly disagree with this characterization– in fact they will no doubt be quite offended by the very notion. And in truth, it's hard to reconcile this belief with, say, the poetic genius and ultimate ambiguity of the reactionary T.S. Eliot, as referenced in the quotes.

So, I'm going to have to think on this some more.

In terms of Modern art, it isn't just black & white vs nuance, but the dictionary definition of 'conservative' is also antithetical to something that thrives on novelty (or newness) and pushing boundaries or doing things differently.

con·serv·a·tive [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.


The Nazis shut down the Bauhaus school because it was 'degenerate' - yet it is one of the, if not THE most influential in architecture to this day.

ETA:

I'm having a lot of trouble with the idea that art cannot be conservative. Most of the ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman art we have was made as support of their governments and religions. The Parthenon was art for the government,

Similarly, the Sistine Chapel ceiling was painted as reinforcement of the dominant culture and relgiion.

The artist as revolutionary is a pretty modern idea. Most art throughout history has been done as part of and reinforcement of the cultural context, not rebellion against it

Yes and no. Though they are relegated to obscurity now, the 'Filid' (what some wrongly call bards) were notorious for their fearsome satires, which were often directed against Kings, roman invaders, etc. However, they were in one of the top rungs of what was ultimately sort of a caste system in Celtic culture and they were rather privileged themselves. However (according to the aged prof I had) they were in a class of their own as far as literary skill went as well.

Even then, it was as much about the content as the style, which still did evolve over the centuries.

And considering the 'dominant' religion at times had some rather murderous and destructive habits, to put it mildly, one could argue there wasn't much of a choice if you liked to live or eat.
 
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