Newspaper Photoshops Clinton out of Situation Room Photo

CaroGirl said:

Hillary Clinton is both a woman and a sexual being, whether you find her sexy or not. And saying that a woman who is strong-willed and aggressive "has balls" is offensive.

More to the point is the way journalistic integrity is now compromised in all media due the advent of digitization.

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Yes.

Yes.

Zoombie said:

2) Pockets are suddenly way more noticeable when you don't have them, ya know?

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I don't know why, but you always bring me back to Star Trek. I remember Patrick Stewart saying the same thing about the uniforms. No pockects meant he didn't always know what to do with his hands.

benbradley said:

These are judgements from modern Western culture. Those people (both the men and the women) tend to be isolated, or at least are taught from an early age to dismiss "outside influences" of the modern larger culture and learn their roles within their religion and community so well from their culture that they're not even aware of them. It's like a fish growing up and spending all its life in dirty water, it has no idea what clean water is like, it doesn't even know the concept of clean water.

A future civilization (or even current nudist colonies) might think "Oh, those barbarians, why did they have to always have their breasts and genitals covered up?"

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I understand where traditions come from, what I don't understand is the philosophy "Women are too tempting make them cover up!" as opposed to "Women are too tempting, I must make sure not to be tempted by them". Why do women have to bear the burden of men's incapability of self control? And why are women perfectly capable of handling all that tempting male-ness, but men are little better than animals with their sexual desire?

I don't think I'm judging based on being a western person. I'm judging based on being a logical person. I've never understood the philosophy that because women tempt they must be in control of their tempting-ness.

As to the question of degrees of modesty, and our modern western perspective, it's one thing to live in a culture where not showing breasts etc is the norm (unlike some tribal cultures, or even the French beach culture), it's another when it's an issue about inequality, where one gender is allowed freedoms over another because that one gender is incapable of being in the same room as the other gender without going nutty. As an example of such, show me one instance of a man in any culture who has to hide his entire face. Men decided in these cultures that they found women too tempting for whatever reason, but what about women? Do they never feel temptation? If they articulated that opinion it wouldn't be listened to because they aren't the ones in charge of the society. (further, the funny thing is, because women ARE capable of getting on with life and dealing with temptation at the same time, they tend not to raise the issue - so I'm sure men just assume women aren't tempted by men as men are tempted by women, and that's why women have to make the change not men, "Well men aren't as tempting, therefore women are the ones who have to cover up." Uh, no. We're just more mature and capable than you guys evidently.)

In my mind it's like straight people telling gays they can't marry. It's none of our business! It's none of men's business what women wear. And if they really are that pathetic they can't control themselves I think it just demonstrates female superiority and women should be in charge of the world. We can handle the odd distraction and still get on with our lives. .

Toothpaste said:

I don't think I'm judging based on being a western person. I'm judging based on being a logical person. I've never understood the philosophy that because women tempt they must be in control of their tempting-ness.

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It's a philosophy borne of opportunity, like many (most?) social conventions and constructs.

Zoombie, PLEASE give a link where one can buy that belt.

Women's clothes often lack pockets, and I can't stand carrying a purse. And that looks perfect for parkour...did you notice the tiny strap that keeps the pocket flat against the leg? LOVE!

robeiae said:

It's a philosophy borne of opportunity, like many (most?) social conventions and constructs.

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Indeed.

It seems to be a common feeling that it is easier to control others than it is to control ourselves. Besides having power over someone else is so much darn fun.

Evidently.

I've never tried it.

I really should.

Men of AW! From now on you must wear ski masks that cover your faces, and because the posts you write can be awfully fabulous and endearing as well, I'd like you to wear thick mittens so that your words are poorly spelled. So says the Toothpaste!

Monkey said:

Zoombie, PLEASE give a link where one can buy that belt.

Women's clothes often lack pockets, and I can't stand carrying a purse. And that looks perfect for parkour...did you notice the tiny strap that keeps the pocket flat against the leg? LOVE!

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Hey! That was my Google-fu, not Zoombies!

Anyway, here you go. (Again, probably NSFW.)

Yeah, I was about to say that. I just thought it was swank.

kuwisdelu said:

Hey! That was my Google-fu, not Zoombies!

Anyway, here you go. (Again, probably NSFW.)

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Do you have to keep a hand in there all of the tme? 'Cause that makes it a little hard difficult.

Rufus Coppertop said:

It's not a question of what they're allowed to show. It's a question of what they choose to delete for being too sexual. Straight guys see women as sexual. Gay guys see men as sexual.

Clearly I've been reading the wrong newspapers!

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But gays "aren't supposed to exist" in such cultures, so their feelings are ignored.

It's always those in control who choose what is "sexual" and what is acceptable.

Toothpaste said:

I understand where traditions come from, what I don't understand is the philosophy "Women are too tempting make them cover up!" as opposed to "Women are too tempting, I must make sure not to be tempted by them". Why do women have to bear the burden of men's incapability of self control?

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It's easier to have women cover up than to have men limit where they can go to prevent them from seeing uncovered women, or how they react if they DO see them. Some cultures completely outlaw pornography, apparently for that reason, so men won't 'accidentally' come across it and "lose control."

And why are women perfectly capable of handling all that tempting male-ness, but men are little better than animals with their sexual desire?

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Because women are seen as objects without feelings. Of if their natural feelings ARE recognized, that can be 'fixed' by female genital mutilation (though that's apparently not done in the culture where this doctored photo was printed), so they won't receive pleasure from sex and be tempted to find someone other than their husband for a partner.

At least that's how I see it. Glad you asked?

Oh, and I'm wearing a ski mask and mittens, and I dictated this post to a woman who correctly typed it.

robeiae said:

Do you have to keep a hand in there all of the tme? 'Cause that makes it a little hard difficult.

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I'll be a gentleman. If any ladies need a helping hand, I'll volunteer.

Sorry for the mix-up Kuwisdelu, and thank you for the link. Awesome.

What did they do when Golda Meir was Prime Minister of Israel? Was she too sexually suggestive?

Oh, thank goodness! I got hot and bothered every time I saw that photo.

ColoradoGuy said:

Citing modesty concerns . . . "sexually suggestive" male images removed from situation room photograph.

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Frankly, I think that's probably the actual photograph. The one released by the White House was probably doctored to include the other people...

Had it been 3:00 AM, I would have expected Hillary to have been by herself.

Haggis said:

Had it been 3:00 AM, I would have expected Hillary to have been by herself.

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The aid was just bringing her a Starbucks, I think...

Really, the publicity photo was probably taken with everyone watching a tape of what had happened. It was the second time Clinton had seen it, so she was a little tired...

maxmordon said:

You never know...

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I dunno. I admit to some slight arousal seeing a manly fist gripping a hard rod.

JohnnyGottaKeyboard said:

I dunno. I admit to some slight arousal seeing a manly fist gripping a hard rod.

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If the rod is green, I'm going to have some serious questions.

darkprincealain said:

If the rod is green, I'm going to have some serious questions.

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Rule 34. No exceptions. (NSFW)

That second link was too disturbing. My first thought was that at least He combed his hair for their "date".