A GAME OF THRONES (HBO) -- POSSIBLE SPOILERS

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As to Margery, I don't think we will see her nude, (unless its a bath scene with servants or something like that), for the next two seasons because of the age factor of who she is going to marry. Remember she is still pure since her and Renly didn't do anything. I also believe that Cercie will make it hard for Joffrey and Margery to have any alone time. Cercie will not want to lose what little power she still has as the mother of the King.

It's going to take Jaimi and Bree all season 3 and 4 to reach Kingslanding so they will have a lot to explore between each other and for viewers to learn Kingslayers story, as well as Bree.

Jon will have an interesting season 3 and an exciting season 4 so there will be a lot of things happening beyond the wall.

Stannis and Melissandre, not sure they will have to many scenes in season 3 or 4 unless Martin writes some new stuff for them. But with the addition of so many new characters coming into seasons 3 and 4, to me, it seems HBO may just show a hint here and there of what Stannis is up to.

And lets not forget, we have not heard the last from the Onion Knight, Stovis.

As to the two weddings, this is speculation on my part but we know HBO is splitting book 3 into two seasons. The Red Wedding takes place at the end of the first half of Book three so I see that as the 9th episode of season three. And Joffreys wedding comes in near the end of Book 3, so again, episode 9 of the 4th season.

The person we are now going to feel sorry for will be Theon from here on out. Yes he's an ass, but what is about to happen to him is even sicker than Theon.

Arya, she is going to be wandering for a while, learning all kinds of things and adding to her list of names.

Sansa, if she does not leave Kingslanding, and we know she won't, is still in for some abuse at the hands of Joffrey.

Dani, it will take her all season 3 and 4 to build her Army as she continues her travels. So we have lots of time for her to figure out her 3 betrayals...

I think HBO has the potential to make seasons 3 and 4 very memorable, provided they keep to the formula and don't start cutting corners to save money. I just hope they pick up the rest of the books like they are talking about.
 

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Oh man, a lot to cover this episode! I like that they found time to spend on quiet moments and pacing in this episode, especially given how much they had to try to cram in.

I know Margery didn't get to do the deed with the younger Baratheon, but I don't for one second believe she's "pure". I didn't believe it in the books and I believe it even less with her on-screen performance. I love, love what they've done with the character in this series. She's a lot of fun to watch.

Brienne was everything I wanted and more, this episode. She's definitely going to become one of my favourite on-screen characters. Especially like how Jamie shut up after witnessing her in action!

Did NOT like their handling of Sam this episode. I know he starts out as a coward, but
I'm sure his character growth had already started by this point in the books. Wasn't he supposed to kill a walker with the dragon glass and, being intelligent and less craven than he thinks he is, work out why the dragon glass was kept in the first place?

That wasn't coldhands. Surely they'd use
the actor they used for Jon's uncle
?

I'm also someone who preferred the book's House of Undying to the shows, especially as in the books we get to see the Undying themselves, but then if they'd shown that whole thing as it was in the books, they'd have needed an entire episode just for that one event. Not that I'd have minded. With all the jumping back and forth, I think it'd be nice if they could have made the season half as long again and dedicated a whole episode to the Undying, a whole to the battle of Blackwater, a whole to the Jon Snow/Halfhand thing... It would have been a nice way to break up the season and improved the flow of events. I sometimes had to pause episodes for my other half so I could explain how the last 2 minute scene related to one from the last episode, and the one before, etc.

Ohhhh Tyrion. Every scene he's in just makes me crush on him harder. I do NOT look forward to his future.
 
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Thothguard and BunnyMaz can you edit your posts so that your spoilers are in white?

Don't want to spoil what will happen for those who haven't read the books.
 

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Couple of things I didn't "get" in this season closer.

Tyrion is wounded and in danger from Queen Cersei. His father Tywin is in King's Landing but hasn't asked after him and apparently hasn't learned that Tyrion led the city's defence. Tywin appointed Tyrion Hand to the King but now Tyrion is stripped of this rank and Tywin is Hand -- by whose authority? If Cersei and Joffrey had the power to do this, wouldn't they have done it long before now? Maybe Tywin's mulling over all this, and Things Will Be Revealed in the next season, but Tyrion doesn't even think about getting a message to his dad, hello father, did my best, saved the city, dear Cersei ordered me killed, I'm rather hurt, a little help here please?

I thought Stannis Baratheon had got himself captured last week after his assault on King's Landing failed. Suddenly he's back home in his planning room with his witch-consort. He got away? How, when?

Theon Greyjoy and his Iron Islands soldiers are surrounded in Winterfell. His soldiers turn on him, put a hood on him and take him away. Where? To surrender to the troops outside? Robb Stark offered the Iron Islanders amnesty if they surrendered, with the exception of Theon, and presumably this was conveyed to them, but why would anyone allow them to walk away from slaughtering Winterfell's inhabitants and setting fire to the citadel? Where were the surrounding forces when Bran's group left Winterfell? They were clearly allies, making contact with them would have been the sensible thing to do, if they hadn't mysteriously vanished without first checking who might still be alive.

Puzzling! Seems like a bunch of loose ends lying around that no one's bothering to tie up. But maybe I've just blinked and missed the obvious, again.

-Derek
 

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Regarding Tyrion his father was originally appointed Hand by Joffrey. Tywin then appointed Tyrion temporary Hand while he was fighting Robb Stark. Nobody really cares that Tyrion saved the city especially his family. They hate him.


Stannis Baratheon-you and me both



Theon Greyjoy-I'm not 100 percent sure but since only 20 men held Winterfell, I'm think they just slipped away unnoticed and went home, taking Theon with them.


And I have to add

Daenerys Targaryen-Way to totally kick ass!!
 

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Thanks, thoth and bunny - you've just saved me a lot of time I'd have otherwise spent watching the next two seasons. Most appreciated.

:sarcasm
 

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And I have to add

Daenerys Targaryen-Way to totally kick ass!!
Hah, I was just coming back to mention Daenerys... so, the creepy magician guy in the tower was alone, after all? All those versions we saw of him were just copies or solid illusions? Wittle baby dragons fry just one of him, and there's no one left to stop her from leaving the tower? I expected all the doors to open and a thousand crazy ninjas to leap out. Nope, free, tra-la.

Just thinking that Ser Jorah remarked how kind and good she was. Evidently forgetting the woman she burned to death. Now he'll conveniently forget about the Dothraki woman she just entombed.


Remind me who I'm supposed to be rooting for again?! :)

-Derek
 

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Thanks, thoth and bunny - you've just saved me a lot of time I'd have otherwise spent watching the next two seasons. Most appreciated.

:sarcasm

We do have a GOT thread that is for those who haven't read the books, I think it's about 3 or 4 pages back. You can run a search for it.

Hah, I was just coming back to mention Daenerys... so, the creepy magician guy in the tower was alone, after all? All those versions we saw of him were just copies or solid illusions? Wittle baby dragons fry just one of him, and there's no one left to stop her from leaving the tower? I expected all the doors to open and a thousand crazy ninjas to leap out. Nope, free, tra-la.

Just thinking that Ser Jorah remarked how kind and good she was. Evidently forgetting the woman she burned to death. Now he'll conveniently forget about the Dothraki woman she just entombed.


Remind me who I'm supposed to be rooting for again?! :)

-Derek


I think there was just one, more smoke and mirrors than anything else. The whole city of Qarth seems to be just illusions and not what it appears.


Well the woman Danerys burned did help kill her husband and the Dothraki woman she entombed, betrayed her and lead to her clansmen being killed and dragons stolen. So phht on them. :D
 

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Positive. I liked the episode on the whole.

The court scene was great, from Tywin's destrier taking a shit to Baelish explaining more facts of life to Sansa.

Tyrion and Shae - good. I even think sometimes that the destiny and motivations of 'HBO Shae' might differ from that of 'books Shae', along with her fate.

Theon coming undone and deciding to go out in a blaze of glory - priceless! I eagerly await the treacherous Ironborn finding out that the one they decided to surrender Theon to was Ramsay. :D

Daenerys taking down Xaro. Oh, did he impinge on the guest right...

Tying up the loose ends of the Mandon business was fine, especially because I'd suspected Cersei anyway.

On the fence. House of the Undying. Without the Undying and the visions. On the other hand, perhaps Dany's travels are also meant as showing the things that would happen or could have happen (clearly the latter in case of Drogo and Rhaego).

Stannis. What did he see in the flames anyway?

Negative. The final with the White Walkers. Why did the spear-carrier leave Sam alive? Too fat to make a good wight, is he?
 

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Just thinking that Ser Jorah remarked how kind and good she was. Evidently forgetting the woman she burned to death. Now he'll conveniently forget about the Dothraki woman she just entombed.[/COLOR]

By the standards of Ser Jorah, a slaver and much more than that, Dany is a paragon of justice and clemency.

Oh, and he's in love.

Remind me who I'm supposed to be rooting for again?! :)

-Derek
No-one in particular? :)

Although I must confess that I do root for Dany.
 

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Ack sorry! Normally when I put in spoiler text boxes I do white it out, but I forgot last night! To be fair, I did remember the big,
tags at least!

Re: Winterfell's burning
In the books it was Roose Bolton's illegitimate son - the one called to save Winterfell by Robb - who burned it down. Evil little shit, that one.

Re: Theon
If they're following book plot, which they need to for this, Theon is now a Bolton prisoner, and has some rather unkind things in his future. Remember, Theon's men think he killed the Stark children, which is what Bolton will also now think.
 

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Stannis wasn't captured. His own men were pulling him away to save him. He wanted to keep going.

As for Tyrion, I assume that Cersei and Joff have fear of Tywin Lannister still. He IS the head of the Lannister household in a sense and if they honk him off, all that gold might stop coming (as he's the richest man in Westeros, I believe).

I had wanted more between Tywin and Tyrion, especially given last season and how Tywin referred to Tyrion as his son (something that seemed a rare thing by Tyrion's expression). My guess is that Tywin knows how clever Tyrion is, but underestimates him as many people do. Chances are he's fully aware of Tyrion's actions in the battle of the Blackwater, but, wants to keep his son under his thumb to some extent and that includes keeping his deeds under wraps as well.

I will say that Tywin's horse taking a big dump in the Hall of the Red Keep was damn funny. I guess his horse doesn't s*** gold either. :)
 

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Sigh. I'm wondering how they'll manage Dany in the next season. She was very, very different in the books and the journey she took to become the Mother of Dragons was so much more complex. Yes, she still clings to the concept of rule-as-birthright, but her actions are so much more sympathetic, if naive.

Seriously, are they going to just start cramming her freeing-the-slaves and mother-to-slaves conquest march in out of nowhere? I might be misremembering but I'm sure I recall her sacking the city was about slaves and how they were treated as much as anything else. Or am I getting the books mixed up?
 

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If I am not mistaken,...spoiler >>> In book 3, Dani did not sack Qarth. It was the second city she sacked after getting her army, I forget the name, and only after she made a deal for her army of Unsullied, or whatever they were called. <<<
 

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I must say, this thread has had over 500 responses and over 9,732 views as of this post.

I think I will start a speculation thread for Season 3...

Time to change my Avatar back to my big ol dragon I think...
 

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I think it was Astapor where Dany got her army of Unsullied, and Meereen where she marched to free the slaves.
 

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Regarding Shae, I don't think her fate will differ from the book because Cersei said something to Tyrion in one episode snarking about his former marriage. I took that to be foreshadowing of upcoming events. It's because of what really happened to Tysha that caused Tyrion to tell Jaime a lie about Joffrey -- (being vague because I didn't want to fiddle with the type face) If I'm too vague let me know and I'll white out the spoilers.
 

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Agree on Parametric's remembering as well. But, as we all know in regard to Dany in >>>>> Mereen, she pretty much bungles that up as well. She's not a ruler. She DOES have too soft a heart for that. Oh, poor slaves. Well, she frees them, alright, and they end up living in poverty and being much worse off than when they WERE slaves. Yet, she also didn't have the gall to take care of the Sons of Harpies as well, chained her dragons beneath the city because she couldn't be a "mother" to them anymore. Thank God she came back to her senses by the end of book 5. Well sort of. We'll see if she leaves the two dragons behind in Mereen or if she goes to fetch them as well. >>>>
 

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Oh, I'm absolutely sure she's going to reclaim all her dragons :D.
 

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I hope so, Dreamweaver. We need two more riders, too. :)
 

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I'm still on for
Jon and Tyrion as the other two riders. Jon because I like the theory that has his mother be Ned's sister, and his father be the Mad King's son, rather than Ned. And Tyrion because my massive crush on him will not allow me to support anyone else. Except possibly Brienne, but I can't see her riding dragons, somehow.