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Old 02-21-2012, 04:31 PM   #151
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To be fair, it is possible to be black and Irish (Interviewer to Phil Lynott: So, what's it like to be black and Irish? Phil Lynott: Ask a pint of Guinness. lol)

And I used to know a black guy --a Scots mum and a dad from Sierra Leone--and he had naturally red hair. (And freckles). Though that's pretty rare, I think.

But it was my impression that Red was white.
Absolutely.

I think it's Freeman's delivery of the line in the film that makes me think he's joking.
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:33 PM   #152
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It might be a nod to the book?
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:44 PM   #153
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That was my understanding of it.
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:59 PM   #154
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It might be a nod to the book?
Very probably.

And now I want a pint of Guinness.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:11 PM   #155
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You'll be able to buy green Guinness on the 17th March.

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I used to be quite the SK fangirl and ready to cut bitches across cyberspace about him.

The magical Negro mess in "The Green Mile" and "Shawshank Redemption" movies quite annoyed me.

Other than that,I adore him. He is one of the best writers ever and I still stan for him,though not as quite as badly as I did in the past.

I also think it is extremely freaky that the guy who hit him died on his bday.
as others mentioned downthread, I think Shawshank got "magical negro-ized" in Hollywood. (side note, I just heard the term Magical Negro" on NPR for the first time early this year.....)

as for TGM, King is very liberal. And I think he really is sensitive to race...maybe that's what messed things up--for me, I try to never blame my wife's moods on periods, pretend I know what it would be like to survive a rape, or (and I apologize, I know the comparisons are also un-flattering) to be born gay or as a minority and judged on skin color or orientation.

That doesn't mean I will only have white people in my books, but it does mean I can totally see fucking it up, either out of a sort of cluelessness and naivete or out of a sort of apologist slant. I get you being offended, and I think I can understand why his stuff came out that way....it is a somewhat difficult line to walk. I suspect he did a bit of apologist preaching and that was the end result.
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Derail - the whole non-Irish people getting shit faced and supposedly acting Irish thing makes me cringe all over.

End derail. Carry on.
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Derail - the whole non-Irish people getting shit faced and supposedly acting Irish thing makes me cringe all over.

End derail. Carry on.


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honestly, I'm sort of with you; I think it is just an excuse to drink, but here in WI with maybe 10% of the state having some Irish ancestry the bars still get packed to capacity by like nine in the morning. Yet there's a shit-ton og German and Polish ancestry here, and there are Oktoberfest celebrations, but nothing like St. Pattys.... One day out of the year, everybody wants to be Irish (then we remember what Irish people are really like)
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as for TGM, King is very liberal. And I think he really is sensitive to race...maybe that's what messed things up--for me, I try to never blame my wife's moods on periods, pretend I know what it would be like to survive a rape, or (and I apologize, I know the comparisons are also un-flattering) to be born gay or as a minority and judged on skin color or orientation.

That doesn't mean I will only have white people in my books, but it does mean I can totally see fucking it up, either out of a sort of cluelessness and naivete or out of a sort of apologist slant. I get you being offended, and I think I can understand why his stuff came out that way....it is a somewhat difficult line to walk. I suspect he did a bit of apologist preaching and that was the end result.
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The thing with the Green Mile - if John had been white, would everyone have been so quick to assume it was him what done it (the crime he was accused of)? Would iut have been as easy to get him convicted with such flimsy evidence? Probably not, not in the time and place that occurred - Depression era (IIRC?) southern states. So while, yes, only having black people who are Magical is problematic (but better than all the black people being evil? Discuss lol) here it was sort of relevant to the plot and setting, and how everyone treated him, and maybe even a subtle little commentary . Or maybe I'm talking outta my arse again.

I agree it's a damn fine line. And I can see me fucking it up good and proper too...

ETA: England v Ireland on ST Patrick's day? Man, that's not fair....
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:00 PM   #160
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That's exactly how I felt after watching his movie The Mist (no pun intended ) I was like WTF at the end. I was livid to the point where I contemplated sending hate mail lol
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That's exactly how I felt after watching his movie The Mist (no pun intended ) I was like WTF at the end. I was livid to the point where I contemplated sending hate mail lol
Actually, they changed the ending for the movie version of The Mist. The original story doesn't end anything like that.
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Really? I must find out how it actually ended
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From what I remember, he was named Red (in the story)due to his hair colour. Morgan Freeman makes a comment about being Irish in the film but it always struck me as him making a small joke.
You haven't seen the Commitments then?

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honestly, I'm sort of with you; I think it is just an excuse to drink, but here in WI with maybe 10% of the state having some Irish ancestry the bars still get packed to capacity by like nine in the morning. Yet there's a shit-ton og German and Polish ancestry here, and there are Oktoberfest celebrations, but nothing like St. Pattys.... One day out of the year, everybody wants to be Irish (then we remember what Irish people are really like)
lol. you mean the ugliness dont you?


and it St. Paddy's Day.
Never, never ,never St. Patty's. NEVER.
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