Code of Conduct in a Caribbean Tavern (Early 18th Century)

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I'd like to know about how to behave in a Caribbean tavern so I can get my characters in trouble. :evil Specifically, I need to know the tolerance for fighting and necking, but any information on tavern behavior (good or bad) is welcome and wanted. :e2drunk: Thanks!
 

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I presume you want information of a colonial Carribean tavern because I'm not sure there were too many indigenous-owned (or run) ones. As in every British style tavern, drinks would flow freely and there was serious racism and discrimination so you would not see a very cosmopolitan crowd inside.

Tolerance for fighting - not really. I mean, bar brawls were really often because people drank until they dropped, particularly in the Carribeans since there was so much alcohol available and most people were sailors! Local fights in the corner, not so important. But they could easily degenerate into fights inside the whole tavern and that would cause serious problems for the innkeeper. Sometimes they were put down early but there were ocassions were rare. However, they were localised incidents, aka guards wouldn't intervene. And apart from the local police, nobody had the guts to break up a full "pub brawl".

In a sense, taverns in the European world did not change much from the Middle Ages, apart from the drinks served, architecture and other options such as lodging and other facilities (stables for example). Every fighting and necking was sorted out within the pub itself until they broke up or many of them were knocked out of the fight. I do believe (not sure on this one) that deaths inside were really uncommon. Only cuts and bruises.

Hope it helps. :)
 

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Thanks! I think this helps a bit.

I didn't know there was a code. I view them as more...well...guidelines.
Sorry, poor thread title. :eek: Should I change "Code of Conduct" to "Behaving" or "Behavior"?

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I presume you want information of a colonial Carribean tavern because I'm not sure there were too many indigenous-owned (or run) ones.
Yep, that's what I meant.

As in every British style tavern, drinks would flow freely and there was serious racism and discrimination so you would not see a very cosmopolitan crowd inside.
Good to know.

Tolerance for fighting - not really. I mean, bar brawls were really often because people drank until they dropped, particularly in the Carribeans since there was so much alcohol available and most people were sailors! Local fights in the corner, not so important. But they could easily degenerate into fights inside the whole tavern and that would cause serious problems for the innkeeper. Sometimes they were put down early but there were ocassions were rare. However, they were localised incidents, aka guards wouldn't intervene. And apart from the local police, nobody had the guts to break up a full "pub brawl".
So if I've got this straight, fighting was technically not tolerated, but no one except the cops wanted to deal with it.

Every fighting and necking was sorted out within the pub itself until they broke up or many of them were knocked out of the fight.
:Huh: Just asking to be sure, but are we thinking of the same definition of necking? I mean necking in the sense of making out. :e2kissy:
 

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I think...

you'd find that pub policy was very much the landlord's thing. So some pubs would have a tight run policy on behaviour and the landlord would enforce it.

Other pubs would be less tightly monitored. Dockside pubs were notorious for drunks, prostitutes and fights. Some inner city pubs were not, some were thieves' dens.
 

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Thanks, pdr!

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Other pubs would be less tightly monitored. Dockside pubs were notorious for drunks, prostitutes and fights. Some inner city pubs were not, some were thieves' dens.
I bet even these dives had their limits, though.
 

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So if I've got this straight, fighting was technically not tolerated, but no one except the cops wanted to deal with it.

Exactly. The only problem is, there weren't any cops to start with... ;)
Just the town guard/militia who would run for their lives if serious fighters attacked them.


:Huh: Just asking to be sure, but are we thinking of the same definition of necking? I mean necking in the sense of making out. :e2kissy:

My bad! I was thinking of the occasional shoving around, the one that leads to fights. :D
Necking...hmm, not really sure. I mean I'm not sure anyone would mind, especially since prostitutes/courtesans were the norm for girls around that time.
 

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I didn't know there was a code. I view them as more...well...guidelines.

I gotcha. Pirates. Caribbean. "They're not really rules. They're more of what you call guidelines."

I'd like to know about how to behave in a Caribbean tavern so I can get my characters in trouble. :evil Specifically, I need to know the tolerance for fighting and necking, but any information on tavern behavior (good or bad) is welcome and wanted. :e2drunk: Thanks!

So they need to get in trouble? Sounds to me like they can get into a fight in a tavern where that isn't tolerated. Or they start getting into it too much--they cross whatever line the proprietor has, and they're tossed out.

What kind of trouble are you talking? Just getting kicked out? Or getting in trouble with the authorities?
 

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What kind of trouble are you talking? Just getting kicked out? Or getting in trouble with the authorities?
Hard to say. I know the necking incident would result in the character not being able to go to that port again (he shot the jealous boyfriend in self-defense, but who are the courts gonna believe), but I'd need to know if necking would be allowed in the bar in the first place. As for fighting, well, bar fights happen.

For general future reference, as I said in the OP, any info on tavern behavior is welcome.

Now another question is coming to mind. Would the tavern be closed on Sundays, or was that a more modern convention?
 

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Now another question is coming to mind. Would the tavern be closed on Sundays, or was that a more modern convention?

Modern convention. Taverns were open all day of the week and when the innkeeper was not around it was usually his wife or his son who took care of business.
 

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Er...

someone else can look this up please

but

wasn't the difference between an inn and a tavern the fact that an inn had to provide accommodation? So an inn was allowed to be open on Sunday but a tavern was not?

I'm confused. Someone - Sirius? - Swordswoman? - point me in the direction of the 18thC licensing laws.
 

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IMHO, they're more or less the same. I mean, in the 1700's inns and taverns were only evolved a tiny bit over their medieval counterparts and sometimes both offered accommodation. But your assumption in right, the inn provided accommodation while the tavern usually did not. But there were exceptions where both did offer.
 

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I was thinking...

for AZ that I had this understanding that inns were respectable, more so than taverns anyway.

And if she wants her MCs to cause a riot and rumpus mayhap they were better to be necking in a respectable inn.
 

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Eddyz Aquila said:
Modern convention. Taverns were open all day of the week and when the innkeeper was not around it was usually his wife or his son who took care of business.
Got it. Thanks!

And if she wants her MCs to cause a riot and rumpus mayhap they were better to be necking in a respectable inn.
I'm not sure a pirate/sailor (especially this particular character) would be welcome in a fine-ish establishment. Of course, if he managed to create a disturbance in the sailors' local that wasn't shugged off as "another fight over a woman", that could be epic cheese! :D
 

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I was reminded of Billy Bones terrorizing the patrons of the Admiral Benbow Inn in Treasure Island until --I believe was the doctor put him in his place. :)
 

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I was reminded of Billy Bones terrorizing the patrons of the Admiral Benbow Inn in Treasure Island until --I believe was the doctor put him in his place. :)
I read that book! Why didn't I think of that? :e2smack:

Then again, my guy couldn't intimidate most people.