Re: BURNT TOAST!
Just a friendly word on back-patting. It only works if others are doing in response to your work.
Just a friendly word on back-patting. It only works if others are doing in response to your work.
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Ppoetry.com
Well, I'm a little ticked because they didnt rip me off,
I write A lot of poetry. I wrote a poem about my father who recently died after a long battle with Cancer.
A friend told me to put some of my work on poetry.com.
The poem about my father was one that I was told I should post. Some months later,I recieved a letter addressed to me that said my poem had been selected to be published in one of their books. I decided I really didn't care about all that anyway,I didnt enter a contest, I just wanted people to see the poem.
so I threw it away.
Well my girlfriend went ahead and sent the money they asked for and ordered the book ( about $100.00 ),To try to do something nice for me.
Well, I got another one of those letters, only this time telling me my poem was selected out of 33 people to be put in the "sound of poetry" CD.
They wanted more money to buy this CD,
Then later they wanted me to send in another poem to be put in another book called
"THE BEST POEMS AND POETS OF 2003"
And guess what? They wanted me to send more money to buy this too.
So, I'm a little ticked because they didnt rip me off, They are ripping off my girlfiend, Who was trying to do a good thing for me to help me through a rough time.
She ordered the book in the Spring of 2002, They said we would get it by the Spring of 2003, Well 2003 is Almost over now..
Surprise Surprise, No book.
Well, I'm a little ticked because they didnt rip me off,
I write A lot of poetry. I wrote a poem about my father who recently died after a long battle with Cancer.
A friend told me to put some of my work on poetry.com.
The poem about my father was one that I was told I should post. Some months later,I recieved a letter addressed to me that said my poem had been selected to be published in one of their books. I decided I really didn't care about all that anyway,I didnt enter a contest, I just wanted people to see the poem.
so I threw it away.
Well my girlfriend went ahead and sent the money they asked for and ordered the book ( about $100.00 ),To try to do something nice for me.
Well, I got another one of those letters, only this time telling me my poem was selected out of 33 people to be put in the "sound of poetry" CD.
They wanted more money to buy this CD,
Then later they wanted me to send in another poem to be put in another book called
"THE BEST POEMS AND POETS OF 2003"
And guess what? They wanted me to send more money to buy this too.
So, I'm a little ticked because they didnt rip me off, They are ripping off my girlfiend, Who was trying to do a good thing for me to help me through a rough time.
She ordered the book in the Spring of 2002, They said we would get it by the Spring of 2003, Well 2003 is Almost over now..
Surprise Surprise, No book.
Yeah
try out www.eliteskills.com teens can submit their
poetry and writing and get it commented on and rated.
It's a non profit edu thingy, just need your help to
help it grow
thanks,
Jimmy
Poetry.com are bastards, luckily someone laughed at me
for boasting else I would have bought the book and
sent the $70 (book+page on it's own). I had already
made copies to have as an acolade.
try out www.eliteskills.com teens can submit their
poetry and writing and get it commented on and rated.
It's a non profit edu thingy, just need your help to
help it grow
thanks,
Jimmy
Poetry.com are bastards, luckily someone laughed at me
for boasting else I would have bought the book and
sent the $70 (book+page on it's own). I had already
made copies to have as an acolade.
My poem at at Poetry.com
Check out the great poem i wrote trying to expose poetry.com a little. poetry.com/Publications/d...N=999&PN=1
Check out the great poem i wrote trying to expose poetry.com a little. poetry.com/Publications/d...N=999&PN=1
Look at my poem
I entered a poem that kinda makes poetry.com look bad, here's the link: poetry.com/Publications/d...N=999&PN=1
I entered a poem that kinda makes poetry.com look bad, here's the link: poetry.com/Publications/d...N=999&PN=1
nevermind that
That didnt work, here's what it is
oetry.com, I dedicate this to you,
To the people you've hurt,
And the bad things you do.
To the scam that you run,
And people's money you've wasted,
To the dreams that you've crushed,
With the false hope that they tasted.
To Howard Ely, oh how do you sleep?
Tricking small children,
With a plaque they can keep.
Can you see their small eyes?
All watery with tears,
As reluctant parent's truth
burns their hearts...as it sears.
Oh poets, oh poets,
This sight is our foe,
For you and I both
Know that we are not Poe.
It's under Eric Howard.
To let it accept whatever words you want it to, leave out the words, and then (if you're registered) log in and edit it.
That didnt work, here's what it is
oetry.com, I dedicate this to you,To the people you've hurt,
And the bad things you do.
To the scam that you run,
And people's money you've wasted,
To the dreams that you've crushed,
With the false hope that they tasted.
To Howard Ely, oh how do you sleep?
Tricking small children,
With a plaque they can keep.
Can you see their small eyes?
All watery with tears,
As reluctant parent's truth
burns their hearts...as it sears.
Oh poets, oh poets,
This sight is our foe,
For you and I both
Know that we are not Poe.
It's under Eric Howard.
To let it accept whatever words you want it to, leave out the words, and then (if you're registered) log in and edit it.
Poetry.com and Noble house affiliated?
For those wondering whether Poetry.com and Noble House were affiliated, I found it strange that when trying to submit a poem that included the word "scam" both gave the exact same response:
The following error has occurred while trying to register your information:
We're sorry, your submission may contain one or
more words that are inappropriate for submission.
Please go back to adjust your poem.
For those wondering whether Poetry.com and Noble House were affiliated, I found it strange that when trying to submit a poem that included the word "scam" both gave the exact same response:
The following error has occurred while trying to register your information:
We're sorry, your submission may contain one or
more words that are inappropriate for submission.
Please go back to adjust your poem.
funny...
my wife had a poem published by them back when she was younger. her mom paid last christmas to order the book. it's almost christmas this year, and guess what? no book. should call the bbb...
my wife had a poem published by them back when she was younger. her mom paid last christmas to order the book. it's almost christmas this year, and guess what? no book. should call the bbb...
Re: They're still advertising
Found the following link by chance on msn.com:
www.poetry.com/contest/co...ite=A44301
What crap - I guess their cheque for advertising hasn't bounced yet to MSN
Found the following link by chance on msn.com:
www.poetry.com/contest/co...ite=A44301
What crap - I guess their cheque for advertising hasn't bounced yet to MSN
Missing Poem
I submitted a poem on the Peotry.com site about a week ago. Only after I submitted the poem did I suspect a problem. However, the reason I am writing is because my poem has disappeared from the site. For the first few days I was able to find my poem, edit, etc...
Now, I can't even find myself listed as an author. has this happened to anyone else?
I submitted a poem on the Peotry.com site about a week ago. Only after I submitted the poem did I suspect a problem. However, the reason I am writing is because my poem has disappeared from the site. For the first few days I was able to find my poem, edit, etc...
Now, I can't even find myself listed as an author. has this happened to anyone else?
Yes
Yeah, the exact same thing has happened to me twice. I don't know why that happens. Mine weren't even written against poetry.com
Yeah, the exact same thing has happened to me twice. I don't know why that happens. Mine weren't even written against poetry.com
Re: Yes
Isn't there something all of us can do? I'm asking because I've submitted and they have claimed that I would get these medals and plaques and such and today in the mail I received yet another one of those "Artist Proof" pages and I think someone needs to show them people at poetry.com that they can't get away with scamming people...but how?
Isn't there something all of us can do? I'm asking because I've submitted and they have claimed that I would get these medals and plaques and such and today in the mail I received yet another one of those "Artist Proof" pages and I think someone needs to show them people at poetry.com that they can't get away with scamming people...but how?
I also submitted!
I submitted my poem and they gave me false hope. I realized by myself that it was fake... I mean, in the corner of the letter they had a note from the person in charge saying something to the affect that my poem was just brilliant and they would publish it. It was ridiculous! I immidiatly realized it was phony and deleted or threw away all of the things they sent. I did, however, keep the poem I wrote. It wasn't spectacular of course... oh, well. I hope there's some way we can shut them down because many people have been fooled by them!
I submitted my poem and they gave me false hope. I realized by myself that it was fake... I mean, in the corner of the letter they had a note from the person in charge saying something to the affect that my poem was just brilliant and they would publish it. It was ridiculous! I immidiatly realized it was phony and deleted or threw away all of the things they sent. I did, however, keep the poem I wrote. It wasn't spectacular of course... oh, well. I hope there's some way we can shut them down because many people have been fooled by them!
Re: I also submitted!
What they do isn't illegal, and they perform everything they promise.
It's just that they prey on writers' hopes and dreams that makes them icky.
What they do isn't illegal, and they perform everything they promise.
It's just that they prey on writers' hopes and dreams that makes them icky.
Re: I also submitted!
Well, not sure If I completely agree...they told me that I won two awards, a metal and a plaque...but never recieved it because I wouldn't pay over $500.00 for their "convention". But I do agree that they are icky :lol
Well, not sure If I completely agree...they told me that I won two awards, a metal and a plaque...but never recieved it because I wouldn't pay over $500.00 for their "convention". But I do agree that they are icky :lol
Re: Poetry.com
Quite often poetry.com will email middle and high-school English teachers. I know this, because I've received 2 of these emails so far this year, and after the department head spread it around, had to send a department email warning teachers not to recommend this site to their students. Teachers are, of course, always interested in finding ways to help their students get recognition for their work, however not all of them are involved in writing and publishing to such a degree that they know what the scams are. If you know a grade school English teacher, you might ask them if they've ever done this, or simply just warn them about it so they don't pass it on to their students. I've never had a colleague yet who didn't thank me for the info. Many of these submitters are hopeful, ernest, writing teens who also aren't privy to that info. If you know any teenage writers, you might also mention it to them. I had to go through a process of ego re-building with a student last year who came to me in tears after being accepted, then never receiving her awards. (I didn't recommend the site to her.) If you are a teacher you might even post a warning in the classroom, since sometimes they hear about it from their friends. Teenage writers could also request their teachers do the same, to save their peers from some heartbreak. Parents who are writers might also open a dialogue about it with their students' teachers. Narrowing down their submission pool is a good way to go about getting them out of business.
Quite often poetry.com will email middle and high-school English teachers. I know this, because I've received 2 of these emails so far this year, and after the department head spread it around, had to send a department email warning teachers not to recommend this site to their students. Teachers are, of course, always interested in finding ways to help their students get recognition for their work, however not all of them are involved in writing and publishing to such a degree that they know what the scams are. If you know a grade school English teacher, you might ask them if they've ever done this, or simply just warn them about it so they don't pass it on to their students. I've never had a colleague yet who didn't thank me for the info. Many of these submitters are hopeful, ernest, writing teens who also aren't privy to that info. If you know any teenage writers, you might also mention it to them. I had to go through a process of ego re-building with a student last year who came to me in tears after being accepted, then never receiving her awards. (I didn't recommend the site to her.) If you are a teacher you might even post a warning in the classroom, since sometimes they hear about it from their friends. Teenage writers could also request their teachers do the same, to save their peers from some heartbreak. Parents who are writers might also open a dialogue about it with their students' teachers. Narrowing down their submission pool is a good way to go about getting them out of business.
Re: Poetry.com
Hey guys,
i'm new here but not new to Poetry.com and their affiliates. What they are doing is shady but most likely not illegal. Because they do what they promise, just not in a professional manner.
Just today, i received two copies of their latest Anthology with my poem in it. My poem was glued into the first page of the book. I kid you not, you can clearly see from the spine that the rest of the book rests against the back of the spine and my poem and the dated information at the front is clearly "inserted" into the book. Unlike many others, money isn't really a problem for me, so tossing $100 away just to see this company is still doing what they were doing 7 years ago is truly amazing. I also ordered the Sounds of Poetry and it's been about 2 months since it was sent and i still haven't received it. I expect, i won't. I think what really tipped me off about them was when i was told they ship 4th class USPS. This might not seem like much to the average person, but this is both the slowest and cheapest way to ship someone's items. Perfect for a company maximizing their profits while delivering an inferior product. Which leads me to something else. $59.99 a book...for this? My own graphics department can produce something 300% better looking for half that price. Shoddy..yes.. Illegal, sadly no.
Either way, i've written them a scathing letter and contacted the BBB in Maryland and asked that they further investigate Poetry.com. I also agree with many others here that say what they are doing is not illegal...but.... there's a fine line between illegal and immoral which is where they are stepping right now. They may deliver the goods, but not what you'd expect for the money you invest.
One other thing i found out. They tout the fact you can BUY these books at any major retailer using their ISBN# inside the book, but i found out that you cannot. Not only have our local Barnes and Noble and Waldenbooks never heard of Poetry.com or the Library of Poetry but the so called legit ISBN#'s point back to Poetry.com. Translation: they aren't legit numbers. Call any of these outlets or Amazon.com and they will find no trace or listing of them being valid.
Now you tell me.. who's pulling who's leg?
Take care and hang in there.
-Bosoxx
Hey guys,
i'm new here but not new to Poetry.com and their affiliates. What they are doing is shady but most likely not illegal. Because they do what they promise, just not in a professional manner.
Just today, i received two copies of their latest Anthology with my poem in it. My poem was glued into the first page of the book. I kid you not, you can clearly see from the spine that the rest of the book rests against the back of the spine and my poem and the dated information at the front is clearly "inserted" into the book. Unlike many others, money isn't really a problem for me, so tossing $100 away just to see this company is still doing what they were doing 7 years ago is truly amazing. I also ordered the Sounds of Poetry and it's been about 2 months since it was sent and i still haven't received it. I expect, i won't. I think what really tipped me off about them was when i was told they ship 4th class USPS. This might not seem like much to the average person, but this is both the slowest and cheapest way to ship someone's items. Perfect for a company maximizing their profits while delivering an inferior product. Which leads me to something else. $59.99 a book...for this? My own graphics department can produce something 300% better looking for half that price. Shoddy..yes.. Illegal, sadly no.
Either way, i've written them a scathing letter and contacted the BBB in Maryland and asked that they further investigate Poetry.com. I also agree with many others here that say what they are doing is not illegal...but.... there's a fine line between illegal and immoral which is where they are stepping right now. They may deliver the goods, but not what you'd expect for the money you invest.
One other thing i found out. They tout the fact you can BUY these books at any major retailer using their ISBN# inside the book, but i found out that you cannot. Not only have our local Barnes and Noble and Waldenbooks never heard of Poetry.com or the Library of Poetry but the so called legit ISBN#'s point back to Poetry.com. Translation: they aren't legit numbers. Call any of these outlets or Amazon.com and they will find no trace or listing of them being valid.
Now you tell me.. who's pulling who's leg?
Take care and hang in there.
-Bosoxx
Poetry.com scam
Wow, too bad I didn't see this sooner. Oh well, live and learn. Here is a response I put on another EZ board.
I enjoy reading friends poetry and have written 11 Christian poems so far and am in the process of checking out Christian poetry contests. I did submit a poem to Poetry.com and received a letter from them last week saying that I was a semi finalist for their contest this month and that my poem would be published in one of their books this Spring but after reading all the complaints about them right now I am on hold with the bank to put a stop payment to them. I did check with the BBB and did not see anything negative about them and they have been registered with them since 1988. Luckily I only sent them a down payment and not the whole amount. Talonz did warn me to be careful which I do appreciate. I know I have been Blessed with a gift to write and that I will find a legit source for that gift. Okay, just got off the phone with the bank and since I put the transaction via Visa that comes out of my checking account I am out the funds which is $43 right now. The bank told me that I can dispute it once the transaction goes through but their is no guarantee that I will get the money back and to watch my checking account to make sure that they don't take the rest of the funds out for the total sum which I believe would be about another $40. I remember the book statement saying that they would bill me for the rest of the amount so lets hope they send me a Statement first that way I won't be out the rest of the money. Am I mad? Am I upset? Surprisingly enough, No. I feel Blessed as now I can share this knowledge with others including my therapist tomorrow and I know that God will make it up to me through a legit company.
Wow, too bad I didn't see this sooner. Oh well, live and learn. Here is a response I put on another EZ board.
I enjoy reading friends poetry and have written 11 Christian poems so far and am in the process of checking out Christian poetry contests. I did submit a poem to Poetry.com and received a letter from them last week saying that I was a semi finalist for their contest this month and that my poem would be published in one of their books this Spring but after reading all the complaints about them right now I am on hold with the bank to put a stop payment to them. I did check with the BBB and did not see anything negative about them and they have been registered with them since 1988. Luckily I only sent them a down payment and not the whole amount. Talonz did warn me to be careful which I do appreciate. I know I have been Blessed with a gift to write and that I will find a legit source for that gift. Okay, just got off the phone with the bank and since I put the transaction via Visa that comes out of my checking account I am out the funds which is $43 right now. The bank told me that I can dispute it once the transaction goes through but their is no guarantee that I will get the money back and to watch my checking account to make sure that they don't take the rest of the funds out for the total sum which I believe would be about another $40. I remember the book statement saying that they would bill me for the rest of the amount so lets hope they send me a Statement first that way I won't be out the rest of the money. Am I mad? Am I upset? Surprisingly enough, No. I feel Blessed as now I can share this knowledge with others including my therapist tomorrow and I know that God will make it up to me through a legit company.
a 'sperament...
Some folks I know from another forum did a mass entry at poetry.com yesterday. The two most blatant attempts to "out" it as a scam are "Integrity Check" by Craig K. Elliot (not his real name) & "Caressing Yul Brynner" by Emm Aster Bates (also not his real name). On the second one, read down the first letter of each line...
Incidentally, poetry.com's filters don't allow the word "scam" so the author of the first poem had to rewrite a bit...
Some folks I know from another forum did a mass entry at poetry.com yesterday. The two most blatant attempts to "out" it as a scam are "Integrity Check" by Craig K. Elliot (not his real name) & "Caressing Yul Brynner" by Emm Aster Bates (also not his real name). On the second one, read down the first letter of each line...
Incidentally, poetry.com's filters don't allow the word "scam" so the author of the first poem had to rewrite a bit...
Re: a 'sperament...
Wow. Those are even more blatant than the poem I had a writing class submit several weeks before I gave a short class on avoiding writing scams. To compose our poem, I asked each member of the class to write a line or two of poetry. Then, I combined the lines randomly and submitted. Look for " I Have No Title, and I Must Scream" by Emma Marmastan. (BTW Marmastan is the Old English word for "Marble.")
The resulting poem was... interesting. :eek
Cowards.
Interestingly, I looked up Maryland's BBB entry for Poetry.com. It looked different than I remembered it looking previously. Hope this link works:
Link to BBB entry
It says "The Bureau's report on this company is being updated while the Bureau conducts further research or verifies important information. No report is available at this time." I wonder if it means that there have been new complaints, or if it merely means that Poetry.com can't keep up with heavy printing demands? :\
Wow. Those are even more blatant than the poem I had a writing class submit several weeks before I gave a short class on avoiding writing scams. To compose our poem, I asked each member of the class to write a line or two of poetry. Then, I combined the lines randomly and submitted. Look for " I Have No Title, and I Must Scream" by Emma Marmastan. (BTW Marmastan is the Old English word for "Marble.")
The resulting poem was... interesting. :eek
Cowards.
Interestingly, I looked up Maryland's BBB entry for Poetry.com. It looked different than I remembered it looking previously. Hope this link works:
Link to BBB entry
It says "The Bureau's report on this company is being updated while the Bureau conducts further research or verifies important information. No report is available at this time." I wonder if it means that there have been new complaints, or if it merely means that Poetry.com can't keep up with heavy printing demands? :\
wow...that's some bad poetry...
...and I mean that, of course, in a good way since that's what you were going for. :rollin
I particularly like the They Might Be Giants bits at the end...
I don't know what the deal with the BBB listing could be. I noticed the BBB has poetry.com correctly listed as a vanity/subsidy press, though.
My cousin had a poem published in a poetry.com thingie because her teacher had her send in a poem. Pissed me off, particularly because I couldn't *say* anything - everyone was so proud & my grandmother made a point of showing me because she thought I'd be so excited since I'm a writer - and family dynamic precluded me from saying anything about it being a scam (long story)... Grrr...
...and I mean that, of course, in a good way since that's what you were going for. :rollin
I particularly like the They Might Be Giants bits at the end...
I don't know what the deal with the BBB listing could be. I noticed the BBB has poetry.com correctly listed as a vanity/subsidy press, though.
My cousin had a poem published in a poetry.com thingie because her teacher had her send in a poem. Pissed me off, particularly because I couldn't *say* anything - everyone was so proud & my grandmother made a point of showing me because she thought I'd be so excited since I'm a writer - and family dynamic precluded me from saying anything about it being a scam (long story)... Grrr...
Re: the legality of Poetry.com BS
i am a lawyer and writer, i have not looked into this in depth but i have read some of the exchanges between p. considine, whom i respect, and whats-his-name, mcinnes, whom i also respect on another level. the truth is, so far as i can see, is that these people have found a way to defraud writers without breaking the law. it is part of what a specialist in the field used to call the "whining consumer" syndrome. they get you to pay for absolute worthless nonsense and you pay for it. and that is what you get. you got what you paid for and it is worthless.
i am in total agreement with the PCH case, they got what they deserved. this case is harder because the poetry.com folks are closer to the edge. fools give away their money every day and all we can do is try to help our fellow writers not to be one. but if they choose to do so, that's their choice. other lawyers may disagree but them's my views.
i am a lawyer and writer, i have not looked into this in depth but i have read some of the exchanges between p. considine, whom i respect, and whats-his-name, mcinnes, whom i also respect on another level. the truth is, so far as i can see, is that these people have found a way to defraud writers without breaking the law. it is part of what a specialist in the field used to call the "whining consumer" syndrome. they get you to pay for absolute worthless nonsense and you pay for it. and that is what you get. you got what you paid for and it is worthless.
i am in total agreement with the PCH case, they got what they deserved. this case is harder because the poetry.com folks are closer to the edge. fools give away their money every day and all we can do is try to help our fellow writers not to be one. but if they choose to do so, that's their choice. other lawyers may disagree but them's my views.
Poetry.con advertisement
Hi,
I'm new to this board. Found it while search for info on poetry.com. Have read all the posts and agree entirely - I have just been invited, as an Outstanding Achievement in Poetry Siver Bowl Award winner
to contribute $169.00 for having my poem read out at the convention!
I have replied asking why I wasn't advised of the award or convention, or even that I had made it to the finals of the competition. Let's see if I get a reply.
One thing I don't understand - isn't the advert for poetry.com at the top of the board a little out of place here?
Hi,
I'm new to this board. Found it while search for info on poetry.com. Have read all the posts and agree entirely - I have just been invited, as an Outstanding Achievement in Poetry Siver Bowl Award winner
to contribute $169.00 for having my poem read out at the convention!I have replied asking why I wasn't advised of the award or convention, or even that I had made it to the finals of the competition. Let's see if I get a reply.
One thing I don't understand - isn't the advert for poetry.com at the top of the board a little out of place here?