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Thread: American Book Publishing Group (C. Lee Nunn)

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    solutionrs
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    American Book Publishing Group (C. Lee Nunn)

    Does anyone out there know anything about C. Lee Nunn and AMerican Book?

    Dear Rick;

    We are pleased to tell you that your book is one of the
    few we have selected from our great number of submissions
    over this past 30 days. We are looking forward to publishing your book and working with you.

    C. Lee Nunn
    Director of Operations
    operations@american-book.com

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    vstrauss
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    Re: info on C. Lee Nunn and American Book

    See this alert:

    www.sfwa.org/Beware/gener...l#American

    Contact me directly if you have any questions.

    - Victoria

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    James D Macdonald
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    Re: info on C. Lee Nunn and American Book

    Much is explained in <a href="http://www.speculations.com/rumormill/index.php?t=316&show_all_topics=0" target="_new">this thread.</a>

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    American Book Publishing

    The thread has been removed. Below is the warning posted by Victoria Strauss:

    I've gotten over two dozen complaints about this publisher, and have a warning posted on Writer Beware. Complaints include publication delays, nonpayment of royalties, ordering difficulties, poorly produced books, harassment by the publisher--and heavy pressure on authors to buy their own books.

    Author bookbuying, in fact, seems to be the main goal of this company. Some writers have reported that their assigned publicity person's main job seems to be persuading them to buy their books (1,000 seems to be the typically-suggested quantity), and the Author Handbook that's sent to writers, ostensibly a guide to the publishing process, is largely devoted to convincing writers that buying huge quantities of their books for resale and distribution to reviewers is a good investment.

    ABP also charges a setup fee--in the last contract I saw it was $760.

    - Victoria


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    Re: American Book Publishing

    Evidently, there's a new wrinkle taking place concerning this publisher. Apparently, there is a section in the contracts that penalizes authors to the tune of $10,000 for saying anything negative about ABPG. One author has stated to me that C. Lee Nunn is using that as a stick to force some of the authors to write disparaging comments about ABPG's critics. Those are then posted by C. Lee Nunn or one of her employees on forums to attack the critics. That tactic also sows confusion and distrust of some writers because it makes it appear that ABPG has real supporters.

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    C. Lee Nunn

    If this woman had two brain cells to rub together, she'd get out NOW, while she still can. The evidence is mounting steadily.

    Remember, Jim van Treese is serving thirty years for doing just about the same thing.

    -Ann C. Crispin

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    Re: American Book Publishing

    What saddens me is that a person who was running a conference where I was asked to be keynote speaker, contacted me last summer and told me she had sold her first mystery novel, and would I please give her a cover blurb. I did. I read the book and thought it was quite good. I then asked who the publisher was, and she told me American Book Publishing.

    I'm waiting to see what happens now. On the one hand, I thought I should warn her, but since she has already signed the contract (which means she has already paid the fee), I fear I am too late.

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    Re: American Book Publishing

    Thank you for your information on American Book Publishing for I just received their offer (includes refundable deposit clause) and contract. In my research, I could not find them listed anywhere and my attorney is reviewing their contract. Thanks again for I'm new to the publishing world as this is my first book.

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    James D Macdonald
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    Re: American Book Publishing

    See if you can find anyone, anywhere, who's had their deposit refunded.

    Go to your local bookstore; see if you can find any ABP books on the shelves.

    Please, don't sell yourself short.

    The only place a writer signs a check is on the back. Money flows toward the writer.

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    vstrauss
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    Re: American Book Publishing

    And don't forget to check out the clause in the contract that says you're liable for $10,000 in damages if you say anything negative about the company (it's in the copyright and trademark infringement section, where you wouldn't expect to find it).

    Or the reverse-accounted royalties that are cut in half if your book is sold through any dealer that requires discounts of more than 50% (which means any of the online vendors).

    - Victoria

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    James D Macdonald
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    Re: American Book Publishing

    I have to ask, pegsioux, is your lawyer familiar with publishing contracts? It's a specialty.

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    pegsioux
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    Re: American Book Publishing

    My attorney is a very dear friend who I have informed of my findings and she is giving me her opinion to confirm my intuition. And, I did check the contract and yep on both accounts on the clause for $10,000 in damages and accounted royalties are cut if half if your book is sold through any dealer that requires discounts of more than 50%....thanks guys!

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    PA info

    Seems like PA have been the subject of an police investigation.

    Unless I read that wrong--maybe its America House---but I think I read that at the SFWA Writer's Beware board.

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    vstrauss
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    Re: PA info

    It's American Book Publishing that's been the subject of investigation. Different company.

    - Victoria

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    durazno3
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    Okay, How about American Book Publishing?

    Members,

    I have been looking on this forum for information about ABP, has anyone worked with this outfit?

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    From their Author Information page:
    We may issue publishing contracts to talented writers who have not been published before or become accomplished in their writing career, and this contract may request a one-time deposit of $780 that is returned to the author the first quarter after the book has been formally released. The purpose of this deposit is to ensure long-term cooperation with a talented but possibly undisciplined author.
    No, the purpose of this deposit is to get money from the author rather than from the readers. Avoid them.
    Okay, I'll stop referencing you in my sig, reph. Happy now?

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    You won't find many ABP authors who'll say bad things about this publisher, because their contract includes a $10,000 fine for authors who speak against them.

    ABPG, run by C. Lee Nunn, has no bookstore presence. Its contract is highly non-standard. They are, in fact, a vanity press with a very poor reputation even among vanity presses.

    So far as I'm aware, no author has ever had that "deposit" returned.

    Their promotion and marketing appears to consist of trying to convince the authors to buy thousands of copies of their own book.

    American Book Publishing has their own thread over in the speculations.com rumormill in the "caveat scrivener" section. That's never a good sign.

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    Writer Beware has posted this warning about American Book Publishing.

    - Victoria

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    American Book Publishing C. Lee Nunn

    *pinging for search engine*

    American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoPaux
    *pinging for search engine*

    American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn
    CaoPaux, did you just say American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn? Because I could have sworn you said American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn. I was thinking of saying American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn myself.

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    You both better rinse your mouths out. After all, you don't want to come down with anything contagious.
    When it comes to PA, the royalty check and the reality check arrive in the same envelope.

    Remember to be kind to writers who step in PA. They really don't know how bad it smells.

    The difference between PA and WLA? None. Both have the stench of dead and dying books emanating from their doorways.


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    Thumbs down

    Ya know, I just realized we don't have any mention of ABPG's "imprints". So, beware the following: *cue ominous music*

    American Classic Books

    American University & Colleges Press

    American Book Business Press

    Bedside Books

    Millennial Mind Publishing

    *dances off to update Index*
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    My goodness, just this morning I was thinking American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn, and I wondered to myself, "Now, why on earth would I be thinking American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn?" And then I came here and found out that I was not the only one thinking American Book Publishing Group ABP ABPG C. Lee Nunn. Wow. What are the odds?

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    American Publishing Company et al

    Please excuse my ignorance, but I have a question.

    P&E has some rather unflattering things to say about the American Book Publisners, and their imprints.

    Yet, (I think!) I see no thread posted about them here. Anyone got any info on them?

    And, most importantly, my search led me straight to PA. Are they the same?

    Thanks for any info you might be able to provide me. No, I haven't submitted to them, I'm just researching them.
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