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    [Content site] FixSor.com / LookQuick.com (Bobby Bacchus)

    Has anyone replied to a post for a Website Content Writer by bobby_b. It was posted on December 8, 2007 on the Paying writers forum. I responded and guess what? The guy is refusing to pay 10 cents per word for the content he asked me to rewrite. He says that's the highest he has been quoted. Here's how it went down. I responded, he sent me work to rewrite for his new website FixSor.com, I did, he loved it (I've got the email as proof). He asked for a price quote...when I sent it to him. Here's his reply: " I must say from what I've gotten back from well known writers, your prices is way up there. In fact you are the most expensive person per word. Thank you very much for your interest in our project but maybe next time we can work together."

    He has my written content for all aspects of his website, which up until now is blank except for the logo and the name. I have not been paid, how do I prevent him from using my content on his website without my consent?

    I am also monitoring his website. I also have copies of the original work he sent me with the request to rewrite and a price quote, as well as the final piece.

    What a bomber.

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    That sounds awful! I hope you can get your money.

    Can a moderator move this to the "Bewares and Background Checks" forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandwriter View Post
    Has anyone replied to a post for a Website Content Writer by bobby_b. It was posted on December 8, 2007 on the Paying writers forum. I responded and guess what? The guy is refusing to pay 10 cents per word for the content he asked me to rewrite. He says that's the highest he has been quoted. Here's how it went down. I responded, he sent me work to rewrite for his new website FixSor.com, I did, he loved it (I've got the email as proof). He asked for a price quote...when I sent it to him. Here's his reply: " I must say from what I've gotten back from well known writers, your prices is way up there. In fact you are the most expensive person per word. Thank you very much for your interest in our project but maybe next time we can work together."

    He has my written content for all aspects of his website, which up until now is blank except for the logo and the name. I have not been paid, how do I prevent him from using my content on his website without my consent?

    I am also monitoring his website. I also have copies of the original work he sent me with the request to rewrite and a price quote, as well as the final piece.

    What a bomber.
    You can send him an email to not use your content on his website. If he does, contact his host.

    You can find more information on this by visiting the Freelance Writer's Forum on here. Lots of writers there have dealt with this and can offer you better advice than I can.
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    Thank you, Southernfriedjulie. I will do so right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandwriter View Post
    Thank you, Southernfriedjulie. I will do so right away.
    You're welcome, hope it gets worked out.
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    Just tell him he cannot use the work you gave if he's not willing to pay for it...and watch his site. He might not even use it. He could be honest and just going with someone who charges less. I actually can't believe people went with less! I wouldn't go under 40 cents a word myself...and that's even a lot less than I make on some of my jobs. Just do the wait and see method.

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    My first thought was to get a quote settled upfront. I know it's too late for that now, but for future projects it's better to cover your bases before doing the work. That's what I do when I freelance design work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by melaniehoo View Post
    My first thought was to get a quote settled upfront.

    Good point.
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    Doing translations I know the problems with web work. Always quote up front, including a minimum: X amount per hour, 1/4x minimum.
    When giving proofs: find software that lets you put watermarks that only you can delete on the doc, or the copy shows up in the web page with hidden--but only removable by you--html code that blares 'Proof Copy'. At least if the scumbag doesn't pay, they can't use your work.

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    I'm compile to reply to this post

    As much as i like not to get involve, I felt this post is only posted to condemn our efforts to find a good writer.

    Before i started with [name redacted]

    We provided content that needed re-write...as a TEST..and ask to provide us with the cost for the TEST.

    When choose not to used her service, which I believe we still live in a country where we are free to choose anyone that best fit our needs..quality, price..etc.


    Here is the e-mail transaction between us.

    Read from Bottom up...



    Thanks for the info, We were never going to used your content for our website. Not sure if we ever Indicate that in our email.

    Please give me a word count xx times 0.10 per word. I would be more than happy to pay you.
    As i suggested before you started, what will be the cost for the test.

    Provide amount and payment method.

    Have a great day.

    Regards,- Hide quoted text -



    On Dec 13, 2007 9:40 AM, Susan Gosine wrote:
    Hi Bobby,

    I respect your decision. You know what to do with the content I provided. I have uploaded a copy with the copyright association and posted a response on the absolute write water cooler site...next stop my blog. Copyscape will notify me if any aspect of the content is used on FixSor's database or anywhere else without my consent. I stress: I have not given you consent to use my work on your website...reason...it was not paid for.

    CC to my attorney.

    Happy Holidays
    [name redacted]

    The following article might interest you.

    New York, March 29, 2005 -- The American Society of Journalists and
    Authors, the Authors Guild, and the National Writers Union today
    announced the filing of a motion for court approval of an $18 million
    settlement in a class action suit they and 21 freelance writers filed on
    behalf of
    thousands of freelance writers whose stories appeared in online
    databases without their consent. They expect preliminary court approval of the
    settlement within the next month.

    "We are delighted," said Nick Taylor, president of the Authors Guild.
    "This is a substantial settlement, and, if approved, it will vindicate
    freelance
    writers who deserve compensation and control for their work in the
    electronic marketplace. It proves our contention all along that access and
    online advertising revenues shouldn't all go into the pockets of big
    media, but should be shared with the creators."

    "ASJA has long preached to freelancers that they demand extra pay for
    extra uses," said Jim Morrison, ASJA's president from 2001 to 2003 and
    the organization's representative in the settlement negotiations.
    "Today, we have an $18 million validation of how valuable electronic rights
    are to
    publishers. Freelance writers should remember that when negotiating
    their contracts."

    Gerard Colby, president of the National Writers Union, noted that in
    its historic 2001 ruling in Tasini vs. New York Times, the Supreme Court
    ruled
    that the principles of copyright apply to online distribution of
    editorial content, and that articles cannot be distributed in cyberspace
    without
    permission of their creators. The Tasini litigation was initiated by
    the NWU and funded in part by its parent union, the United Auto Workers.

    "This settlement will put money in writers' pockets," Colby said.
    "Individual awards for individual articles could add up to big money for
    writers who
    had more than one article published electronically without their
    consent, and who take action to file proper claims. This settlement
    underscores the
    fundamental importance of the Constitution's copyright clause and
    proclaims that the rights of writers and artists to own their own creations
    and to
    earn a living from them must be respected -- even by the nation's most
    powerful media corporations."

    "This monetary settlement is the final chapter in a 12-year fight to
    right a gross injustice," said Jonathan Tasini, president emeritus of the
    NWU
    who served on the settlement negotiating team on behalf of the union.
    "But, more important, it shows that writers can stand up, fight and
    win."

    The filing seeks court approval of a Class Notice, which gives a full
    description of the benefits of the settlement, identifies which articles
    are
    included and which are excluded, and explains authors' rights under the
    settlement. The settlement is complex, and the three organizations have
    set up a joint website (www.freelancerights.com) dedicated to helping
    authors understand the terms and make claims.

    Under the terms of the settlement, publishers including the New York
    Times, Time Inc., and the Wall Street Journal and database companies
    including Dow Jones Interactive, Knight-Ridder, Lexis-Nexis, Proquest,
    and West Group agreed to pay writers up to $1,500 for stories in which
    the writers had registered the copyright in accordance with timetables
    established in federal copyright law. Writers who failed to register
    their
    copyrights will receive up to $60 per article; the organizations
    believe that many such writers will have valid claims for hundreds of such
    articles.

    The amount paid will depend on a number of factors, including whether
    the writer registered the copyright, the original fee paid for the
    article, the
    year it was published, and whether the writer permits the future use of
    the article in the databases.

    Lisa Collier Cool, current president of the ASJA, urged freelance
    writers to go online and make their claims when the settlement is approved.

    Taylor and Morrison noted that fulltime freelancers likely will have
    substantial numbers of stories eligible for claims. "I wouldn't be
    surprised if there
    are many writers who did not register their copyrights who will earn
    thousands of dollars from the settlement because they have so many
    stories
    eligible for claims," Morrison said. "That is why we strongly encourage
    freelancers to make claims."

    The settlement is filed under In re Literary Works in Electronic
    Databases Copyright Litigation, MDL No. 1379, in federal court in the
    Southern
    District of New York with U.S. District Court Judge George M. Daniels
    presiding.

    The American Society of Journalists and Authors (www.asja.org ) is a
    trade association of freelance writers founded in 1948 with more than
    1,100
    members who have met the ASJA's exacting standards of professional
    achievement.

    The Authors Guild ( www.authorsguild.org) is the nation's oldest and
    largest society of published book authors and freelance journalists. The
    Guild
    advocates on behalf of its 8,000 members on copyright, contract and
    free speech matters.

    The National Writers Union (www.nwu.org), the nation's only labor union
    for freelance writers, was founded in 1981. The NWU is Local 1981 of
    the
    United Auto Workers. On behalf of its 3,400 members, the NWU advocates
    for writers rights and fights to improve the income, contracts, and
    working conditions for all freelance writers including journalists,
    book authors, business and technical writers, essayists, poets,
    playwrights, script
    writers, writers for the web, and campus writers, including instructors
    and professors.
    Bobby Bacchus <email deleted> wrote:
    [name redacted],

    I must say from what I've gotten back from well known writers, your prices is way up there. In fact you are the most expensive person per word.
    Thank you very much for your interest in our project but maybe next time we can work together.

    Happy Holidays.

    Best Regards,




    On Dec 12, 2007 11:23 AM, [name redacted] <email deleted> wrote:
    Hi Bobby,

    Glad you liked the rewrite. I know we never discussed the payment structure; How will payment be made?

    I usually charge 10 cents a word for copy and rewrites.
    Copy writing I charge by the article and the amount of time and research invested into it.
    For research and analysis I charge $1.00 a word.

    In this instance its 10 cents.

    I am open to negotiation.

    Regards
    [name redacted]

    Bobby Bacchus <email addy deleted> wrote:
    [name redacted],

    Great work you hit the spot with the the flow of words love it.

    May need to re-word a few but not much if any after i re-read it again.
    But we can work to tweak it later on.

    Your cost. per words ect..

    Regards,




    On Dec 11, 2007 5:52 PM, [name redacted] <email addy deleted> wrote:
    Hi Bobby,

    Attached is the revised FixSor document.

    Which island are you from? And where are you based?

    Regards
    [name redacted]

    Bobby Bacchus <email addy deleted> wrote:


    [name redacted],

    If you could provide us with a sample of your work by re working the docs below..
    Re words that already there and expand on FAQ.

    You may provide me with a cost for this also.

    Regards,


    On Dec 10, 2007 2:09 PM, Bobby Bacchus <email addy deleted> wrote:
    [name redacted],

    Great, every thing is fine on this end also just going a little crazy.

    Do you charge by words if so how much?
    Do you have any other method of charging?

    Please help us to understand the value to your work.

    Regards,

    On Dec 10, 2007 2:01 PM, [name redacted] <email addy deleted> wrote:
    Dear Bobby,

    Thanks for the reply. I am fine thank you. I trust you are also. I've visited the Fixor website. I am interested if there are vacancies. I noted the top news was that the site has been established, great. When do you plan on filling in the editorial? You did not mention what the payment per article would be. Can you give me an idea of what that might involve?

    Regards
    [name redacted]


    Bobby Bacchus <email addy deleted> wrote:
    Susan,
    how are you.

    Thank you for responding to my posting on Absolute Write website.

    We need content for website that connects home owners and contractors all in one place.

    An idea of what need to accomplish may be more visible by clicking on the link below.
    http://fixsor.com/frontend_dev.php

    Project will included but not limited too.

    how it works 2 sections
    Faq 2 sections
    terms of used..we have a copy more or less but it will need to be re-write to make it ours..it's all basic but as you know the internet can be a wired place some times.

    Policy- we have a draft but it will need to me re-write also.

    10 Tips to Hiring a Contractor

    10 tips of earning a home owner business...< this can be re word..

    We need about 20 article as we launch the site.
    This will convert to about 20 to 40 article a month there after.

    Along with the above, this is not applicable now; but will need a press release about 2 or 3.


    Regards,


    On Dec 8, 2007 6:45 PM, [name redacted] <email addy deleted> wrote:
    Dear Bobby,

    This is in response to the notice you placed on the Absolute Write Water Cooler for a Website Content Writer. I am interested in the position, however, I've got a few questions. Can you please let me know the nature of the articles, the amount of words and the deadline for submissions? I would also like to know the payment for each article.

    Attached is a copy of my resume. It will direct you to samples of my work.

    Regards
    [name redacted]


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    Last edited by MacAllister; 04-20-2010 at 10:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby_b View Post
    As much as i like not to get involve, I felt this post is only posted to condemn our efforts to find a good writer.
    10 cents per word is not excessive at all. It's on the very low end of what professional Web writers charge in the US.

    If you can get cheaper work from other providers, that's fine, but you need to pay Ms. Gosine for the work she's already done. You did not, as you claim, make it clear at all that you were asking her to do free work as a sample--you asked her to do work, you asked her price, and you said you'd pay her. Therefore, just pay her.

    Your failure to establish the per-word rate before the work was performed and submitted is YOUR fault. As a businessperson, you should know better than this.

    You are completely in the wrong here, and Ms. Gosine is perfectly justified in airing her grievance here, considering this is where you were soliciting writers.

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    "Along with the above, this is not applicable now; but will need a press release about 2 or 3."

    2 or 3 what?? Maybe I'm missing something?

    I'm not trying to put anyone down here, just thinking he probably isn't familiar with what professionals charge for their work, if there's that much of a language barrier. Most of what he writes is pretty incomprehensible, so I have a feeling maybe he doesn't understand everything that's said to him either.


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    Hi there,

    At no point did we refuse payment nor did we translate this though our email communication.

    Questions ask before work started.
    What is the cost per word etc.?
    What method for payment do you accept?

    Neither one of the above was answered until the re-write was done.

    Our last communication .NOTE, please provide us your method of accepting payment and amount due.

    Now my question is why you would post something like this on the web, if we offer to pay you before you start the TEST and after you finish the TEST.

    No reply with amount due or method of accepting payment so payment can be sent…Next thing we know, this crap is posted here saying we refuse to make payment...

    WE NEVER REFUSE PAYMENT….

    This is our last reply.

    Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby_b View Post

    This is our last reply.
    Promise?

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    Frankly, I'm with Bobby on this one. He didn't refuse to pay for the test; he just said he wasn't interested in giving the OP the job. Miscommunication on both sides, but overreaction by the OP, IMO.

    Lessons learned: state rates up front and allow for language barrier(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoPaux View Post
    Frankly, I'm with Bobby on this one. He didn't refuse to pay for the test

    But he didn't say the sample work was a "test" until after he was presented with an invoice. This is such common behavior from people who are seeking to get website content written for free, or cheap, that those of us who have done this kind of work are pretty sensitive to the patterns.

    It's a huge problem in the field right now. I don't know if the answer is to add a mod with experience in this particular field to the "Paid Markets" subforum, but that might help.

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    Did the OP send an invoice for the sample/test/rewrite? As presented here, when Bobby declined further work at the rate (finally) given, the OP responded with chapter and verse, rather than "okay, fine, but you owe me $X.XX for the rewrite."

    If there's more (mis)communication involved, I could see cause for complaint, but as it stands the ball's in the OP's court to provide payment info.
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    It seems to me that this communication is pretty much tantamount to an offer of payment for work completed:

    f you could provide us with a sample of your work by re working the docs below..
    Re words that already there and expand on FAQ.

    You may provide me with a cost for this also.


    I agree that the OP should have been clear about her rate before proceeding.

    However, bobby_b is misinformed or disingenuous when he suggests that Web content writers, let alone "well known writers" charge less than 10 cents per word.

    Ultimately, though, you can't say "Do this work and tell me what it costs" and then say "Oh, whoa, I'm not paying for that work! I meant that to be a test. Anyway, you charge too much."

    But I do agree with you that islandwriter should also have been more professional.

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    I think this discussion has gone on long enough.

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    Thumbs down WARNING - Bobby Bacchus from LookQuick.com

    Hello all,

    I have been writing online content for 5+ years, and I have just had a terrible experience with Bobby Bacchus from LookQuick.com. Here's the situation.

    I was hired by Mr. Bacchus to rewrite the content of his website Fixsor.com (aka RemodelGo.com) completely. We agreed on 160 USD, with 40 USD paid beforehand and the rest afterward, with a specific price tag on each page. So I rewrote one of those pages (which contained 500 words, which we had determined to cost 40 USD) and showed it to Mr. Bacchus to get feedback. He pointed out some improvements that needed to be made, and so I went back to the drawing board and spent 2 hours rewriting the document completely, and then showed it to Mr. Bacchus again. At this point he said "there is still a few problems with this doc" but gave NO indication that he wanted me to stop the rewriting process.

    Later on, Mr. Bacchus contacted me through MSN and said that he had another project that he had set out for me: rewriting his terms of service and privacy policy, and also going through 5 pages of documents and structurally change it for consistency. He then asked the price, and I said 40 USD for the rewrite I had already completed (the pre-agreed on price) and 50 USD for the additional work.

    At that point Mr. Bacchus said "are you out of your fucking mind" and "you have done nothing" and ordered me to return the 40 USD. Mind you, up until this point I had spent hours COMPLETELY rewriting a document that we specifically AGREED would cost 40 USD. All of a sudden Mr. Bacchus wants to move on to a brand new project and forget about all the work I had already done.

    I told Mr. Bacchus that I couldn't work for free, and that I would have to be paid 40 USD for the rewrite as agreed. Mr. Bacchus then called my writing "crap", even tho a second before he was willing to hire me for a new project, and started to threaten to post bad things about me "all over" WebHostingTalk. He also threatened to get PayPal to somehow punish me if I didn't return the 40 USD, because he had "been there for 5 years."

    At this point I became completely fed up and decided I didn't want to deal with it, and I explained that I would return the money. But even then Mr. Bacchus continued to threaten me until I had to block him from my MSN list.

    Sadly, I realize now that I should have looked here before working for Bobby Bacchus. It is clear by the following post that other writers here have been mistreated by him:

    http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/...ad.php?t=86272

    In light of this, I would strongly suggest that Absolute Write make a public warning about Bobby Bacchus from LookQuick.com, because at least 2 members here have been cheated by him. Maybe then, other writers will not have to waste their time spending hours and hours trying to please a customer who, in the end, not only refuses to pay them for their work but also threatens them.

    Thank you.

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    FixSor went down in '09, and LookQuick in '10. Not finding any current ventures.
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