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Hello, all. I had a question on something off-topic of writing, but in horror.

I have noticed more and more reviews of Zombie's "Halloween" remake are springing up everywhere. It may've been out for a little while, but it usually takes news around ten years to reach my area. I had no idea it was even remade until recently (the altitude makes words travel slower).

Is it really that bad?

I haven't seen it and don't know anyone who has. I probably won't if it's anything like I've heard.

There is a local movie critic in the newspaper, he typically reports without zest or particular interest. Even he wrote an absolutely scathing review of the movie yesterday. I've never seen anything like it. I didn't think he had it in him.

Has anyone seen it? I did not like Zombie's other two and felt disappointed. I expected something completely different.

I liked John Carpenter's work. Michael Meyers scared me more as a kid than any other horror villian.
 

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No, Laura, I haven't seen it. I wonder if I will? I'm bored of being disappointed by horror films now. I tremble for what will become of 'The Mist'.

I really liked the original 'H' - the music, the sense of menace, the facelessness of Michael M - I thought it was wonderful. I do not want someone messing it up, and I'm not a particular fan of Zombie's.
 

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Hi, Zahra!

I know, it isn't a good time for American horror, or so it seems. One of the reasons I think I enjoy Asian horror so much is it's just new in comparison to what's playing here. They seem to have a code American films once had, but don't seem to try for anymore. Like with disturbing and disgusting. They're two separate elements in their horror. I like that. I love disturbing without disgusting. I also love the absence of computer-generated effects.

There's always hope though.

I always believed the creepiest quality of Michael was the lack of a reason for his killing. He came from a relatively normal home, etc. Donald Pleasance's character just noted he was pure evil, not that he came from a bad home.
 

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Hi, Zahra!

I know, it isn't a good time for American horror, or so it seems. One of the reasons I think I enjoy Asian horror so much is it's just new in comparison to what's playing here.

I loved 'The Eye'. Creepy as hell.
 

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I watched it recently.

Don't watch it :) Save yourself and sleep, or even stare at paint drying.

I, too, was disappointed with his other two movies *sigh* It's at the point that when it has his name attached to it, I just don't even bother.
 

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I loved the Eye! There's another version of it, produced in India, I believe, titled "Nania." It was pretty good.

I loved "Red Shoes," and, "Violin." I think that's just the thing American horror is missing: creepy. We don't have anything creepy or disturbing. Everything is meant to be disgusting and everyone is so desensitized gore is usually boring.

Thanks, acharity!

No one I know has seen it so I've been wondering. I don't know why Zombie's such a part of the horror genre? You would think he's created a line of bestselling horror novels or successful and innovative horror movies. He hasn't done either. It's like a big commercial stunt.

My husband was a big White Zombie fan way back when. He used to be a Rob Zombie fan. He thinks Zombie's only doing the movies he does so his wife can be an actress. She's starred in every movie.

Maybe we all need to send an onslaught of email to movie companies and beg for funding...lol? They have it, but apparently, it's falling into the wrong hands.
 

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No problemo, Laurawrites! :)

I have to agree over the gore... that's how my dad dubs a movie good - if there's tons of gore, he's totally sold!

I think that's why, too. She's always prancing around on the screen *shrug* We'll see what he "comes up with" next, ne?
 

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When Rob did House of A 1,000 Corpses Sheri didn't even want to be an actress, Rob cast her in the role anyway. He cast her for the sequel because people liked her. As for Halloween? It can't be that bad, it is the highest grossing labor day weekend movie ever.

As for what Rob is doing next? An animated show and Sheri does a voiceover in it.

Do I like his work? House was alright but could have been better. Rejects was not to shabby. To me it seems like he is getting better with each movie. I hope so.
 

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Hi, Kevin!

My only "problem" with Zombie, if you could call it a problem, is he's been hyped as a "horror" rock star for nearly 20 years. He has the means to be doing some awesome work. He isn't. He shouldn't require a "warm up process," you know? It should just be natural after all this time. Now, were he in his early 20s and just graduated college or film school, it would be a completely different story.

It would be a lot like Tom Clancey or John Grisham creating another "Basic Instinct 2" or "Green River Killer," just for example. You know they're intelligent and they can do better. Legal thrillers are something you assume they know about since they've been at it so long.

The same with horror and Zombie.
 

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All i can say is, "dont screw with the classics."

If you like lots of 4-letter words and senseless blood and gore, see the remake.

If you like subtle horror and want to be scared out of your mind, watch the 1978 version.


No comparison.
 

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You're probably right, Laura but there is a big difference from directing videos to writing the story, adapting it to screenplay, and then directing it to a way that would make most people happy.

I have been writing horror stories for almost ten years now, doesn't mean I can make a movie that will be good. It's a bad example I know, but just because someone is in the horror biz for 20 years don't automatically mean they will be good at doing a movie.
 

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Yes, The remake of Halloween is as bad as people are saying. It it horrible. Rob should never have been chosen to direct it. Here is a review I wrote.


Rob, how could you screw up so badly?

1) The camera angles

Blurry, distorted, waay too close ups so close you could see ingrown hairs and make up cake. It looked like it was filmed with a cheap film at times that kept pulsing and having streaks.

2) The cuts

Dude, was it asking too much that you match the dialogue to the mouths speaking it when filming? And I lost count of how many songs were butchered because you did an amateur thing of filming dialogue with actual music in the background and not fixing the cuts (the gaps in songs)

3) The pull you right out of the scene totally amateur cuts that annoying enough were so badly done that you could HEAR how off and spliced it was. Footsteps didn't match bodies, dialogue didn't match mouths uttering it.

Your overkill with Don't fear the Reaper sucked. It was cool the first time and totally ruined the kill the next.

Your love of filming interior shots with no exterior reference to know that we changed locations.

4) THE LANGUAGE. Dude, you might not have come from the best household and I can imagine that Thanksgiving at the Zombies comes with porn on the tv, cigarettes and cheap beer cans piled everywhere and rude bathroom humor but still, even with the dumbing down of society it is not seen or appreciated elsewhere. You made the Myers white trash, fine, it was stupid but I accept it. But then no, in your sick writing you have to make every character use the F word repeatedly. I lost count at like 30 times. Every character was saying it just for the sake of saying it. It was stupid.

5) The poor, lazy screenwriting.

Apart from an excellent young Myers and some effective scenes with his mother you took the lazy way with fleshing out Laurie and her friends. In fact, fleshing out to you means having them take their clothes off, doesn't it.
What I mean Rob is that you created the worst stereotype movie characters that came after Carpenter's classic. The many clones of Halloween? You topped them by recreating originals that had no other placement in the film except to die. They had no depth. No reason and of course you have to make everyone foul mouthed and sexually lewd.




You took the biggest free lunch in horror cinema history, Laurie Strode and her friends, and you turn them into crude, arrogant, bitchy, spoiled, vulgar mouth characters and not only that but you take their legendary, powerful kills and replaced them with rushed, cut and paste emotionless, unscary scenes.

This was clearly the most unscary Michael Myers ever. In fact everytime I saw him I couldn't help but think this was some parody of Halloween. Some made for TV Halloween special. Michael was unscary. His rotting mask completely lost the magic and power of the expressionless, " great white" hollow eyes of the original.

What is funny is that ONLY TIME the audience responded is when we heard CARPENTER'S theme song. That was it. It was giggles and scorn from the crowd I saw it with. The briefest magic or symmetry to this entire film was what was taken from Carpenter's work, not yours.

Its funny how everyone is saying, DON'T JUDGE THIS HALLOWEEN BY THE ORIGINAL. Fine then, without even referencing the original, Rob, you created a very strong Michael Myers in the first act (kudos) and the worst cookie cutter characters after that (Laurie and her friends) characters that screenwriters everywhere know that you are supposed to created likable main characters that we should care about their journey. Dude, I couldn't wait for Laurie and her friends to die. Laurie was bitchy, annoying, and one of the worst baby sitters. Her friends, (judging from YOUR WRITING) were pointless, rude, vulgar mouthed, one dimensional characters that I would have to think hard to find a film to match such poorly written characters. I saw the movie. There was not one single scare in the entire flick. I saw the movie. There was not one single scare in the entire flick. It's like YOU cut and pasted Carpenter's Halloween into this one and you want to be respected for your own vision and yet you LAZILY expect us to know and accept Laurie and her friends because, hell, we all know Halloween. Sorry dude, everyone is telling us not to judge your movie based on Carpenter's. Fine. Name ONE THING you did to cause us to feel any empathy for Laurie or her friends, BASED ON YOUR WRITING. You already had established characters there. Instead the greasy hands had to further tarnish whatever it touched. It's like you feel uncomfortable in a world without grime, abuse, violence towards women, vulgarity, crudeness and scorn. You have to foul things up for you to feel at home. Its why you brought the cast from your other films because thats just what the hillbilly types do isnt it? Bring the whole clan. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. You are like the trailer trash that moved down the street and immediately took a pristine neighborhood and littered it with filth, noise and rude, crude neighbors and made everyone else feel unwelcome. Please leave Haddonfield. You don't belong here. I paid my money (and got it back by the way) and therefore I have the right to express my opinion. Its clearly an opinion most reviewers hold. The film is trash. But then again, it was exactly what I expected considering who was behind the camera.
 

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Its not exactly hard to be the highest grossing Labor Day flick. Why? Because most people don't release movies at that time. Its akin to saying the biggest Cinco De Miyo release.

Until the Halloween remake came out the biggest movie released on Labor Day was Transporter 2. (A movie I never heard of) It was INTENTIONAL MARKETING to make it seem like it was a blockbuster. According to Box Office Mojo Tranporter 2's original box office record was:

"a modest feat given the historic weakness of the frame"

See, movies don't usually get released at that time. So, Of course a movie with a name like Halloween would easily beat out a no name sequel.
 

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Wow. Now that's a review. Allow me to respond with an amazed, Ouch. I haven't seen a review like that in a long time. But, I can't say I haven't heard similiar words over the film.

I don't think it should've been messed with. My understanding was the Michael Meyers came from an upper-middle-class household and that was the mystery (and fear) behind it. He had a relatively good home and absolutely no reason to kill.

I wonder if Zombie doesn't just fall into the same group of pseudo directors that want to do horror, but can't seem to hit the mark? Sometimes I think they just hang around people who applaud them and don't really offer any substantial critique or opinion aside from "you rock," or something like that?

I still can't understand why someone, supposed to be connected with horror, for around 20 years (according to his music's marketing), would produce materials akin to something like what a new director would produce. Was it all a marketing ploy? I know several published horror authors, they are fans of the genre, and they do original material. Perhaps screenwriting is different, but, wouldn't the quality of genre appreciation be there? I can't imagine having the time and resources to make movies and just continually producing what amounts to remakes.

Thanks for your advice. That is a legendary review.
 

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I never write reviews like that....I was just very passionate about the original movie Halloween. I didn't mind the idea of a remake. I might be the only one who didn't hate the remake of Psycho. I loved the remake of Dawn of the Dead. I loved Freddy vs Jason (not a remake but taking two characters who are well established and putting them in a new movie) I didn't like the Fog or the Omen remakes. I was just very passionate about Halloween and I personally met Rob and told him not to make it like his other movies. I told him it wouldn't work to make it filthy and that people would be mad. I was excited for a bit that he was doing it and gave him the benefit of the doubt for a while and tried to publicly withhold judgment. But I always knew that my hopes would be in vain. The movie royally confirmed all of my fears. Thanks for the compliments on my review.
 
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I never write reviews like that....I was just very passionate about the original movie Halloween. I didn't mind the idea of a remake. I might be the only one who didn't hate the remake of Psycho. I loved the remake of Dawn of the Dead. I loved Freddy vs Jason (not a remake but taking two characters who are well established and putting them in a new movie) I didn't like the Fog or the Omen remakes. I was just very passionate about Halloween and I personally met Rob and told him not to make it like his other movies. I told him it wouldn't work to make it filthy and that people would be mad. I was excited for a bit that he was doing it and gave him the benefit of the doubt for a while and tried to publicly withhold judgment. But I always knew that my hopes would be in vain. The movie royally confirmed all of my fears. Thanks for the compliments on my review.

Now, see? You just didn't say what he wanted to hear. You interfered with his "artistic vision." Shame on you for being intelligent (kidding).

Actually, I thought the review was pretty cool. It gives it a large degree of substance that you actually met him and discussed your concerns.

If it was going to be a true remake, I don't see why so much was changed. William Castle's company (Dark Castle) did both the originals and the remakes of "13 Ghosts," and "House on Haunted Hill." The effects were very different in the two, and there were contemporary details added, but the storylines and characters were very similiar to the original counterparts.

I thought the remake of "The Hills Have Eyes," was pretty bad, but the guys who made it looked fresh out of college. They might be producing some great work when they have a little experience on them.
 

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I haven't seen it and don't plan to. How can anyone remake what Carpenter did, and who can replace Donald Pleasence and Jamie Lee Curtis? Leave the classics alone, as Toni stated. To me, Rob Zombie sucks as a "rock star" and sucks even more at filmmaking. He needs to do something else... I won't be watching this, unless it comes on cable one night and I feel like a laugh...:ROFL:
 
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