I saw a write up on this press a year ago, but haven't found anything significant on them. The listing in P&E seems neutral. Does anyone have anything they can share--good, bad, borderline ugly?
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Rabid offers a deal
Rabid Press just wrote me that they wish to offer me a deal. Anybody know how they operate? I've avoided a few publishing scams with my first novel so far, and I'd like to continue the trend. They seem sincere enough. I'll post more once I have a copy of the contract.
Eric T.
Rabid Press just wrote me that they wish to offer me a deal. Anybody know how they operate? I've avoided a few publishing scams with my first novel so far, and I'd like to continue the trend. They seem sincere enough. I'll post more once I have a copy of the contract.
Eric T.
Not much
Well, I have read a couple press releases on a novel Rabid published which were very positive -- a very large turn out at a book signing and things of that nature. But all the information is on one novel (which is available on Amazon and other on-line sellers), so I don't know if they're new or slow or what. I figured if they were a scam-outfit, then many people would jump out and exclaim how terrible they are. This is a first novel for me, and agents aren't exactly beating down my door. Could a sale be bad? Or might it net me an agent for the next book? Help, anybody.
Well, I have read a couple press releases on a novel Rabid published which were very positive -- a very large turn out at a book signing and things of that nature. But all the information is on one novel (which is available on Amazon and other on-line sellers), so I don't know if they're new or slow or what. I figured if they were a scam-outfit, then many people would jump out and exclaim how terrible they are. This is a first novel for me, and agents aren't exactly beating down my door. Could a sale be bad? Or might it net me an agent for the next book? Help, anybody.
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They’re not rabidly energetic. They have one author and one book. And that was published 2 years ago. Sales rank at Amazon is over 500,000. Not a good sign.
www.rabidpress.com
Just read. Anyone who uses "we're all about the authors" and "we're going to revolutionize [the publishing industry/book marketing/distribution/the world]" is usually too full of pretty words and purple prose to actually do some work.
Fun phrases from their site:
From the marketing director: http://www.rabidpress.com/Articles/mv062803.htm and http://www.rabidpress.com/Articles/mv080503.htm , where we find this gem:
Of course, Rabid Press could be completely honest and successful. Talk to them. Ask them how they market their books (and don't settle for some new-age "we believe in your power to resonate with an audoence" blather, only accept a real marketing plan). Ask them how many copies their title(s) have sold so far. Ask them about returns, and distribution--which stores are their books actulaly on the shelves in?
Just read. Anyone who uses "we're all about the authors" and "we're going to revolutionize [the publishing industry/book marketing/distribution/the world]" is usually too full of pretty words and purple prose to actually do some work.
Fun phrases from their site:
From the marketing director: http://www.rabidpress.com/Articles/mv062803.htm and http://www.rabidpress.com/Articles/mv080503.htm , where we find this gem:
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(Odd, this is the third time I've tried replying to a message only to have it disappear in the bit bucket.)
These sound vaguely familiar.
You don't suppose that PA is now franchising themselves? "For a mere X number of dollars, we'll show you how to set up a publishing house and make tons of money off of newbie authors without having to actually do anything."
Bleah.
These sound vaguely familiar.
You don't suppose that PA is now franchising themselves? "For a mere X number of dollars, we'll show you how to set up a publishing house and make tons of money off of newbie authors without having to actually do anything."
Bleah.
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Johanna said:
Thank you, Johanna. These just gave me the justification to give Rabid Press an appropriate recommendation that will soon be posted on P&E.
Contract info
Well, got the contract from Rabid Press. They want to buy ALL the rights for 10% royalties (for the first 5,000) with 9% royalty for discounted books up to 50% and 8% royalty for books sold at greater discounts. They will grant $1,000 toward obtaining permissions, but not as an advance. In fact, there is no provision for an advance anywhere in the contract. Plus, they want an option on the next book.
Sounds bad, huh?
Any advice here?
Eric T.
Well, got the contract from Rabid Press. They want to buy ALL the rights for 10% royalties (for the first 5,000) with 9% royalty for discounted books up to 50% and 8% royalty for books sold at greater discounts. They will grant $1,000 toward obtaining permissions, but not as an advance. In fact, there is no provision for an advance anywhere in the contract. Plus, they want an option on the next book.
Sounds bad, huh?
Any advice here?
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Thanks, Johanna
I did ask Rabid Press, and while they are very small, they do offer a marketing plan, they made money on their first book and then had to reorganize when the initial partnership broke up. They place books in the chains, and while they don't offer the moon (rather, they offer a lot of hard promotional work), they do seem like a legitimate press, not a POD or vanity. In spite of the lack of an advance, I may go with them.
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I did ask Rabid Press, and while they are very small, they do offer a marketing plan, they made money on their first book and then had to reorganize when the initial partnership broke up. They place books in the chains, and while they don't offer the moon (rather, they offer a lot of hard promotional work), they do seem like a legitimate press, not a POD or vanity. In spite of the lack of an advance, I may go with them.
skewed reasoning
As a small business owner myself, I prefer dealing with smaller independent companies. I've had no success, on a personal or business level, with large corporations. As an unknown writer, it seems like the risk invested in me by a small company is much larger than any risk taken by a large publisher. It feels like the investment goes both ways.
I feel that the novel is solid, even though it is my first, and hopefully can succeed on its own merit. And while I wouldn't turn down a large advance, I think I would benefit more from the attention from a small publisher given to a few titles than a large publisher spread out over dozens or hundreds of titles.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
As a small business owner myself, I prefer dealing with smaller independent companies. I've had no success, on a personal or business level, with large corporations. As an unknown writer, it seems like the risk invested in me by a small company is much larger than any risk taken by a large publisher. It feels like the investment goes both ways.
I feel that the novel is solid, even though it is my first, and hopefully can succeed on its own merit. And while I wouldn't turn down a large advance, I think I would benefit more from the attention from a small publisher given to a few titles than a large publisher spread out over dozens or hundreds of titles.
Or maybe I'm just crazy.
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But doesn't the large publisher have a bigger staff? It's not like both the small publisher and the large one each have two people working on all the books they publish, so you're not dividing the same number of people working on the books by the different number of books published.
One big advantage of going with a larger publisher: They have more resources. A small publisher may flinch at the cost 20 ARCs; a large one won't blink. Larger publishers also already have certain marketing and publicity strategies set up that your book gets plugged into simply by being with those publishers.
Please don't get me wrong. I have a soft spot for small publishers, and I'm always happy to see nicely made books put out by small presses. But given the choice between a big publisher who can market the hell out of my book, and a small one who can't, I'm not going to hesitate before picking the big one.
PODs and Vanity Presses...
Psst, Eric T.
PODs do not equal Vanity Presses, as Vanity Presses are not legitimate publishers by any means. Self publishing, where the author brunts the expense of publishing, is closer to vanity publishing, though it carries a tad bit more respect.
PODs are closer to small, independent publishers. They rarely offer advances, keep inventories to a bare minimum, and usually rely on the author to participate fully in marketing their own work. Many are connected to respected distributors, like Ingrams and Baker & Tayor, who get books in the right places.
For many "legitimate" and "aspiring" writers, it's a foot in the door. Please don't degrade them by comparing the two. Many new authors are quite happy to be with PODs.
On a lighter note, Rabid Press rejected me and I consider it a compliment. I've since found a publisher who is thrilled to publish my work.
And yes, it's a POD.
Psst, Eric T.
PODs do not equal Vanity Presses, as Vanity Presses are not legitimate publishers by any means. Self publishing, where the author brunts the expense of publishing, is closer to vanity publishing, though it carries a tad bit more respect.
PODs are closer to small, independent publishers. They rarely offer advances, keep inventories to a bare minimum, and usually rely on the author to participate fully in marketing their own work. Many are connected to respected distributors, like Ingrams and Baker & Tayor, who get books in the right places.
For many "legitimate" and "aspiring" writers, it's a foot in the door. Please don't degrade them by comparing the two. Many new authors are quite happy to be with PODs.
On a lighter note, Rabid Press rejected me and I consider it a compliment. I've since found a publisher who is thrilled to publish my work.
And yes, it's a POD.
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Digital printing is a technology.
Print/Publish on Demand (POD) is a business model that may or may not use digital printing.
Vanity publishing is another business model (that may or may not incorporate POD).
Print/Publish on Demand (POD) is a business model that may or may not use digital printing.
Vanity publishing is another business model (that may or may not incorporate POD).
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Eric_T said:
If you want to go with a small press, there are so many out there that will give you a fair contract (that doesn't take all rights). And there are small presses that pay an advance, have agreements with distributors, and put together a marketing budget for their titles. Why not keep trying the small presses, rather than settling for one that might not do you or your novel any good?
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Baker & Taylor and Ingram are NOT distributors: they are wholesalers. They take and fulfill orders for books; they do not actively sell them. There is a HUGE difference. B&T and Ingram will get books into "the right places" only if the right places order books from them. Wholesalers are vital to the bookselling industry, but it's really important not to confuse them with distributors.
Hello Nomad...
Baker & Taylor is a leading full-line DISTRIBUTOR of books, videos, and music products to libraries. Representing more than 66,000 book publisher imprints and 7,500 video and music audio suppliers, Baker & Taylor also provides its customers with many value-added products and services, including customized management and outsourcing services.
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Your apology is accepted.
Q
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Baker & Taylor is a leading full-line DISTRIBUTOR of books, videos, and music products to libraries. Representing more than 66,000 book publisher imprints and 7,500 video and music audio suppliers, Baker & Taylor also provides its customers with many value-added products and services, including customized management and outsourcing services.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Needless to say, 100 Poets Against the War did not stop the war. And more than a month after the release of the book, Swift and Christopher Hamilton-Emery of Salt Publishing are noticing a strange and inexplicable phenomenon, particularly in light of the fact that the war on Iraq began on March 19 and the American antiwar movement is running hot and heavy: Although 10,000 U.S. bookstores—from tiny independents to large chains—were contacted about the availability of the book, not a single one had ordered it. This is despite the fact that Salt Publishing enlisted two major U.S. wholesale book DISTRIBUTORS—Ingrams and Baker & Taylor—to handle DISTRIBUTION to U.S. bookstores.[/font]
Your apology is accepted.
Q
PS. When in doubt..check it out!
http://www.btol.com/
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Ummm....Q. Nomad is a publisher. She knows about this stuff--it's her job. I'm sure she'd accept your apology, though.QuantumWriter said:
Nomad, thanks for making the wholesaler/distributor distinction. It's so important, and so many people (including a lot of the small publishers doing business on the Internet) aren't aware of it.
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This is exactly the kind of small press cluelessness I'm talking about. If these guys had known the difference between a wholesaler and a distributor, they might have sold a book or two into stores.QuantumWriter said:
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Wait...Victoria:
Nomad is a publisher and can't differentiate between a distributor and a wholesaler? Care to elaborate? A name please...
I respect you a lot, but are you neutral?
Nomad is a publisher and can't differentiate between a distributor and a wholesaler? Care to elaborate? A name please...
I respect you a lot, but are you neutral?
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I'm afraid you're the one who can't differentiate. You're confusing the act of distributing books with the meaning of the term "distributor" as it's used in publishing.QuantumWriter said:
Nomad already said this, but here goes again. A wholesaler takes and fulfills orders from booksellers. It may also issue a catalog and provide other fulfillment-related services. It does not do any "selling", in the sense of directly contacting booksellers on behalf of publishers. Baker & Taylor is a wholesaler (even if it calls itself a distributor). Ingram is a wholesaler too (though it recently added a distributor division, Ingram Publisher Services).
A distributor, like a wholesaler, provides ordering and fulfillment services--plus it fields a team of sales representatives who call on booksellers. Independent Publishers Group is a distributor.
A publisher that wants to sell into bookstores must either employ its own sales staff (as all the large commercial publishers and many independents do) or work with a distributor. Without a sales force to directly contact booksellers, booksellers aren't going to know about the books. You can't order what you don't know exists. That's what happened to Salt Publishing. It relied on wholesalers--which were indeed able to make its books available to bookstores, but weren't able to get any bookstores to order.
As for Nomad (who actually is an editor--sorry), her credentials are discussed here.
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