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    Quote Originally Posted by mccardey View Post
    *sigh*
    Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it.

    Just as a general statement, the number of people posting in these two threads who share a router associated with a specific floor of a specific building?

    Color me not amused.

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    Great detective work. Can't say I'm surprised given the tone and content of many of the posts in both forums.
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    I actually had the event bookmarked to consider attending due to some of the agents/editors attending but then I came here and read all of the posts (except Making Light, which I'll read during lunch breaks--over days ). What I got from this is that while I love conferences and think you can get some great benefit from them, paying that much money for pitching to the agents/editors is not as a better ROI then I can get from going to a local writer's conference and meetingd agents/editors in much less intense environment.

    Beyond that, the people that have come on here and the other forum, like Pitch Grinch/Bitch, Babs, Rebecca and so on have done more to dissuade me from attending then those who have spoken positively about the event. Coming onto the board, being dishonest about affiliations and/or connection to the event, colors my view of the entire event. Then to learn there is an actual contact by Neff to get people to come here... Wow, just wow.

    Frankly, if an event isn't good enough to have people honestly speak on it, then it is not an event I want to give my hard-earned money to. I'll save it for my local organizations who offer the same thing for much less and don't leave such a bitter taste in my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AW Admin View Post
    Just as a general statement, the number of people posting in these two threads who share a router associated with a specific floor of a specific building?

    Color me not amused.
    I've been doing my best to be a good contributor to the forums here, but it seems futile. My advice is lost in the swell of varying opinions on this or that. Perhaps some of it is for the good. I can't tell. Sigh.

    Then I bumped into this yesterday after having seen the thread before, and this statement has made me curious. Just who are the posters on the two threads who share the same router? I am not associated in any way with Karma, ChickenMa, or Audrey in DC. I assume you are talking about these particular members since, together with me, they are the only ones--apart from several posters from prior years like Susan Breen and Will Lavender--who have said positive things about their NYC pitch experience, and the only ones, except for Francis Bruno, who have actually attended the event in question. They appear to have come from different places, joined at different times, etc. Why would they all come together to share the same router? And where is the router? Chicago? Hong Kong?

    I believe the claim of router conspiracy is to insinuate that we are all the same person. I am therefore Karma, Audrey in DC, and ChickenMa. I might also be Susan Breen and Will Lavender and History Nerd and God knows who else.

    For the record, I'm not amused either. Not amused at all.

    I am amused at the amount of rump smooching that takes place on a continuous basis here. The air is so thick with lips on butt that one can't help but trip over it much less catch a deep breath. I am a member of several writer associations, have posted on many boards, and I've never seen such a display of reality denial for the sake of serious poop chute diving.

    Here's another chance! Don't waste time. Pour on the indignation.

    OMG
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    The continuous downpour of animosity towards anything New York Pitch is inexplicable and downright strange. To see the cracks, allegations, and snark, year after year after year despite dozens of posts to the contrary. You would think a willingness to act balanced might prevail, but no, the negativity won't relent. So odd.

    I especially like the ability to take things out of context and pound them into hammers of accusation, but I see that all over AW, not just here. It's too bad.

    Thanks for the final wake up call.
    Last edited by BabsWriter; 05-21-2014 at 11:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabsWriter View Post
    I am amused at the amount of rump smooching that takes place on a continuous basis here. The air is so thick with lips on butt that one can't help but trip over it much less catch a deep breath. I am a member of several writer associations, have posted on many boards, and I've never seen such a display of reality denial for the sake of serious poop chute diving.

    Here's another chance! Don't waste time. Pour on the indignation.

    OMG
    It's almost not worth it, but I see that Gravity is waiting with his bucket 'o popcorn.

    This is the bewares, recommendations and background checks forum. Things can get heated. Every now and then someone comes and either:

    1) asks about the conference -or- (sometimes closely followed by)
    2) sock puppets come and tout how great it is.

    I was originally part of #2. I know. Changed mind and all that over the years, but we've been down that path, so maybe you'll let it slide. I wasn't the only one as part of #2, I know of 3 others at the same time, all requested to become sock puppets. (I have the emails, so please don't call me a liar).

    So, to recap:
    1) no one ever said the conference is a scam. This has come up multiple times. (it's not mentioned in the last post, but ha been mentioned)
    2) the conference is likely not worth it due to the way publishing really works. This has also come up multiple times.

    Finally:
    1) if you decide to go, have fun. You will likely have fun if not one of the few driven to tears (this is a reality and some may have given up their dream to an ignorant conference coordinator berating them).
    2) take everything with a grain of salt since very few get published this way. Some do, but then the question is, would you have been published if you had done it the conventional way?
    3) You can get pretty much the same advice (some might argue better) by frequenting absolute write or other forums of the same ilk.
    4) You may be better off spending your money on a more professional conference. Maybe one that actually reads the submissions (David Farland, Viable Paradise, Uncle Orson's).

    Good luck. Hope Gravity made enough popcorn to go around.
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    I did, but it's flavored with kippers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity View Post
    I did, but it's flavored with kippers.
    It's probably better than the flack I'm likely to receive from the last post.
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    "I wasn't the only one as part of #2, I know of 3 others at the same time, all requested to become sock puppets. (I have the emails, so please don't call me a liar)."

    In my spare time over the summer I spoke with my workshop leader, the conference coordinator, two additional former attendees from more than five years ago, and saw the copy of a mail from two people in your group, one being Jennifer Harrison, who are all supporting my belief that you are not only a liar, but a clumsy liar.

    2) the conference is likely not worth it due to the way publishing really works. This has also come up multiple times.

    Writer conferences are not the publishing business, they are the writer conference business. Authors meet their agents and editors at conferences all the time, and learn a lot along the way. That is what happened to me. I'm in New York now meeting with my editor.

    1) if you decide to go, have fun. You will likely have fun if not one of the few driven to tears (this is a reality and some may have given up their dream to an ignorant conference coordinator berating them).

    I can find no one who corroborates this claim of yours that Neff was berating anyone. You said the extreme opposite on the Algonkian thread and on your own blog. Now you claim sock puppet zombie influence. The simple truth, IMO, is that you are lying again.

    By the way, you claimed for the record on the Algonkian thread that writers at the pitch were prevented from pitching editors. This contradicts what you said on this board when you first posted, and what you said on your blog, but on another recent thread you slipped and mentioned meeting with professionals at the conference. You are clumsy with your lying. Look around and see if you can find your new inconsistencies.

    2) take everything with a grain of salt since very few get published this way. Some do, but then the question is, would you have been published if you had done it the conventional way?

    Meeting your agent or editor at a conference is conventional as much as sending query letters. Visitors to this board should take everything you say as a potential false statement much less a grain of salt. I think more like a grain of bitter weed.

    3) You can get pretty much the same advice (some might argue better) by frequenting absolute write or other forums of the same ilk.

    Not unless the same editors and workshop leader were hanging out on Absolute Write and spending hours of time with me. I like face to face contact, not the presence of faceless cybers.

    4) You may be better off spending your money on a more professional conference. Maybe one that actually reads the submissions (David Farland, Viable Paradise, Uncle Orson's).

    I spend my money on very professional events, thank you, and I told you before, I DON'T WRITE SCIENCE FICTION so your Uncle Orson won't help me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenPanced View Post
    Who are you addressing?
    Me. For some reason she (he?) has a personal vendetta against me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BabsWriter View Post
    "I wasn't the only one as part of #2, I know of 3 others at the same time, all requested to become sock puppets. (I have the emails, so please don't call me a liar)."

    In my spare time over the summer I spoke with my workshop leader, the conference coordinator, two additional former attendees from more than five years ago, and saw the copy of a mail from two people in your group, one being Jennifer Harrison, who are all supporting my belief that you are not only a liar, but a clumsy liar.

    2) the conference is likely not worth it due to the way publishing really works. This has also come up multiple times.

    Writer conferences are not the publishing business, they are the writer conference business. Authors meet their agents and editors at conferences all the time, and learn a lot along the way. That is what happened to me. I'm in New York now meeting with my editor.

    1) if you decide to go, have fun. You will likely have fun if not one of the few driven to tears (this is a reality and some may have given up their dream to an ignorant conference coordinator berating them).

    I can find no one who corroborates this claim of yours that Neff was berating anyone. You said the extreme opposite on the Algonkian thread and on your own blog. Now you claim sock puppet zombie influence. The simple truth, IMO, is that you are lying again.

    By the way, you claimed for the record on the Algonkian thread that writers at the pitch were prevented from pitching editors. This contradicts what you said on this board when you first posted, and what you said on your blog, but on another recent thread you slipped and mentioned meeting with professionals at the conference. You are clumsy with your lying. Look around and see if you can find your new inconsistencies.

    2) take everything with a grain of salt since very few get published this way. Some do, but then the question is, would you have been published if you had done it the conventional way?

    Meeting your agent or editor at a conference is conventional as much as sending query letters. Visitors to this board should take everything you say as a potential false statement much less a grain of salt. I think more like a grain of bitter weed.

    3) You can get pretty much the same advice (some might argue better) by frequenting absolute write or other forums of the same ilk.

    Not unless the same editors and workshop leader were hanging out on Absolute Write and spending hours of time with me. I like face to face contact, not the presence of faceless cybers.

    4) You may be better off spending your money on a more professional conference. Maybe one that actually reads the submissions (David Farland, Viable Paradise, Uncle Orson's).

    I spend my money on very professional events, thank you, and I told you before, I DON'T WRITE SCIENCE FICTION so your Uncle Orson won't help me.
    Blimey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francisbruno View Post
    Me. For some reason she (he?) has a personal vendetta against me.
    Yes, and from the beginning, his/her obvious vendetta against you is the thing that, for me at least, most makes BabsWriter look like a sockpuppet.

    I have a hard time imagining a random writer / conference attendee fixating so much on ( and acting as though they feel so betrayed by ) one other random writer / conference attendee who decided it wasn't a worthwhile experience.
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    The NY Pitch Conference is a Career-Charging Career-Changer

    Just back from one of the best convention experiences in my life. Here is my report on the NY Pitch Conference:

    http://matthewwarner.com/2015/03/the...areer-changer/

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