Did Trump just denounce antifa?
Or did Trump denounce the state police that cracked down on peacefully and lawfully assembled demonstrators?
Not even close. The current administration has made these people feel safer to come out in the open, but they've always been there. They are loud, vocal, and very much a minority.
David Duke is there today, there's a video going around of him saying they're fulfilling the promises of Donald Trump.
In a more pleasant bit of news, Richard Spencer was arrested a short time ago, and someone got a picture.
We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017
Am in Bedminster for meetings & press conference on V.A. & all that we have done, and are doing, to make it better-but Charlottesville sad!As outrage and condemnation streamed in from all corners of the political spectrum, Charlottesville Mayor Michael Signer did not mince words and directly blamed Trump. “I’m not going to make any bones about it,” Signer said. “I place the blame for a lot of what you’re seeing in American today right at the doorstep of the White House and the people around the president.”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 12, 2017
I'm not trying to dismiss them as irrelevant. There are certain areas of this country where the views of the alt right are held by a significant percentage of the population.I'm not sure they're as much of a minority in some parts of the country as they are in ours, RC. There are enough of them, after all, to have gotten #45 elected. We don't know that all, or even most, of 45's voters are this kind of racist, but they certainly weren't worried enough about his being popular with the White Nationalist crowd to not vote for him and his hateful, divisive rhetoric.
Complacency and the shrugging off of terrifying views can allow a minority of people to take over. The bigots have already made the internet a cesspit of hate. These people are cowards, but now that they feel supported by the powers that be, more of them will likely come out from under their rocks.
I doubt it. Maybe somewhere like Alabama, (with apologies to all the good people who live there) but even so we have 300 million people in this country. You could collect 10,000 people who fervently believe the earth is flat. That doesn't mean we're headed back to the dark ages.We may see hate rallies attended by tens of thousands yet.
But in terms of the country as a whole, they are overwhelmingly outnumbered by those who understand how pathetic and yet dangerous they are. The idea that we have fallen over the precipice and are now involved in chaos and a civil war between competing ideologies is not a true reflection of what's happening. I doubt it. Maybe somewhere like Alabama, (with apologies to all the good people who live there) but even so we have 300 million people in this country. You could collect 10,000 people who fervently believe the earth is flat. That doesn't mean we're headed back to the dark ages.
I'll be blunt. Trump is responsible for this.
He's the one who said he didn't know anything about David Duke. LIE. He's the one who said he'd be better for Blacks than Hillary Clinton and what the hell do you have to lose? A LOT. He's the one who has put racist trash like Steve Bannon in the White House. DISGUSTING.
Trump has modified the message, but it's the Alt-Right's message of hate and division and he's not only carried their flag, he's wrapped himself in it.
This is how Donald Trump makes America Hate Again.
I would love to have an interviewer sit down with Trump and start off with: "The NeoNazi movement considers your daughter a race-traitor and would like to murder your son-in-law and grandchildren. Your opinion on that?"
I am more concerned for the state and path of our nation after 7 months of a Republican president than I was during the last 8 years of a Democratic president.
And when asked if he did, during his press conference, he fled. He never will denounce them, though he will viciously attack pretty much anyone else (except Putin).It's 6 PM Eastern time and DJT has still not denounced the Nazis.
Dems: badMcConnell: bad
Hillary: lock her up
Obama: his fault
Guam: tourism up!
Putin: fine
nazis: gotta see both sides
But in terms of the country as a whole, they are overwhelmingly outnumbered by those who understand how pathetic and yet dangerous they are.
It's really not. The violence from the alt right during this Neo Nazi demonstration is receiving condemnation from everyone, left, right, and center. Except, unsurprisingly, Donald Trump.Just a reminder that the Nazis took control of Germany with, at their absolute height, 37% of the seats in the Reichstag. Just because "most of the country doesn't agree" doesn't mean these White Supremacists, with a supportive president and people pulling the strings in the WH, can't take us over the precipice. The ground is crumbling under our toes.
I refuse to believe our circumstances are anything similar to this. First, we are not in a severe depression. I believe Nazi Germany was in dire economic straights nationally when Hitler came to power. One white nationalist protest does not make a movement significant.Just a reminder that the Nazis took control of Germany with, at their absolute height, 37% of the seats in the Reichstag. Just because "most of the country doesn't agree" doesn't mean these White Supremacists, with a supportive president and people pulling the strings in the WH, can't take us over the precipice. The ground is crumbling under our toes.
At times conspiratorial is a serious understatement.Fired White House staffer argued "deep state" attacked Trump administration because the president represents a threat to cultural Marxist memes, globalists, and bankers. ...
The seven-page document, which eventually landed on the president’s desk, precipitated a crisis that led to the departure of several high-level NSC officials tied to former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. The author of the memo, Rich Higgins, who was in the strategic planning office at the NSC, was among those recently pushed out.
The full memo, dated May 2017, is titled “POTUS & Political Warfare.” It provides a sweeping, if at times conspiratorial, view of what it describes as a multi-pronged attack on the Trump White House.
Trump is being attacked, the memo says, because he represents “an existential threat to cultural Marxist memes that dominate the prevailing cultural narrative.” Those threatened by Trump include “‘deep state’ actors, globalists, bankers, Islamists, and establishment Republicans.”
The memo is part of a broader political struggle inside the White House between current National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster and alt-right operatives with a nationalist worldview who believe the Army general and his crew are subverting the president’s agenda....
McMaster set out to clean house, a source close the White House said — getting rid of NSC staffers linked to the memo, perceived as loyal to his predecessor, Michael Flynn, or simply those with whom he’d butted heads over foreign policy. Among those fired was Ezra Cohen-Watnick, the NSC’s top intelligence official, and Derek Harvey, who handled the NSC’s Middle East portfolio.
In a comedy of errors, Trump later learned from Sean Hannity, the Fox News host and close friend of the president, that the memo’s author had been fired. Trump was “furious,” the senior administration official said. “He is still furious.”
The memo calls out those pushing for rights “based on sex or ethnicity,” which is a “direct assault on the very idea of individual human rights and natural law around which the Constitution was framed.” It also says that “transgender acceptance” is “denying a person the right to declare the biological fact of one’s sex.”
Republican Leadership - More afraid of being accused of being called a racist, sexist, homophobe or lslamophobe than of failing to enforce their oaths to "support and defend the Constitution," the Republican Establishment accepts and enforces cultural Marxist memes within its own sphere of operations. In doing so, knowingly or not, it becomes an agent of that. These "conservatives" become increasingly indistinguishable from their democratic counterparts save that they misrepresent themselves to their constituents . Lacking the discernment to recognize their situation, they will work with globalists, corporatists, and the international financial interests and will likewise service the deep state. These establishment Republicans are the hard left's designated defeat mechanism in the destruction of the old regime as well as the American ideal. 1 Because candidate Trump publicly exposed them for their duplicitous activities, they are at risk as long as Trump can turn on them and are, therefore, bitter foes. Candidate Trump's success remains an ongoing existential threat to establishment Republicans.
Three, I think.So far one dead.
At least three people were killed and 35 injured after protests turned violent in the US state of Virginia, as white nationalists protesting plans to remove the statue of a Confederate general clashed with counter-demonstrators and a car ploughed into a crowd, officials said.
My first thought when I saw the video this morning was that North Korea ought to wipe us off the map like the hotbed of cockroaches we've become. The U.S. was always deeply racist and sexist; under Trump, it's getting worse by the second.
This is horrible. They're so emboldened they don't even hide behind masks.
Just heard on the news one dead from the vehicular attack; the other two were in a presumably unrelated helicopter incident.Three, I think.
My first thought when I saw the video this morning was that North Korea ought to wipe us off the map like the hotbed of cockroaches we've become. The U.S. was always deeply racist and sexist; under Trump, it's getting worse by the second.
This is horrible. They're so emboldened they don't even hide behind masks.
...the images we saw in Charlottesville today and yesterday convey an entirely different sort of threat. They draw their menace not from what is there—mostly, young white men in polos and T-shirts goofily brandishing tiki torches—but from what isn’t: the masks, the hoods, the secrecy that could at least imply a sort of shame. We used to whisper these thoughts, the new white supremacists suggest. But now we can say them out loud. The “Unite the Right” rally wasn’t intended to be a Klan rally at all. It was a pride march.
The shameless return of white supremacy into America’s public spaces seems to be happening by degrees, and quickly. It wasn’t until most journalists left the conference of the innocuously named “National Policy Institute” in November that my colleague Daniel Lombroso captured Richard Spencer leading the attendees in open Nazi salutes. Spencer’s intention—to make normal that gesture and all the sentiments that underpin it—is no more secret than the identities of his tiki torch-wielding bannermen. "I don't see myself as a marginal figure who's going to be hated by society,” Spencer said to Daniel. “I see myself as a mainstream figure.”
For the moment, you can still spot the subtle boundaries that will have shifted if Spencer and his fellow-travelers succeed. One appeared, for example, in Graeme Wood’s June 2017 Atlantic story on Spencer, when one of his associates requested anonymity: “I have a ‘normie’ [conventional] job,” the young man said, “and I don’t want to get punished for this.” How soon until that young man no longer fears the consequences of his ideas?
“Norms” is such a bloodless, abstract word, which is a shame, because it describes such a bloody real thing. Norms impose genuine and manifold restraints on human behavior. They undergird all the gentle, civic niceties that make human society possible. Laws can codify and reinforce these norms, but the norms are what keep us from savagery.
It would recently have been normal for a president to condemn in harsh tones the participants in a march for white supremacy on the streets of an American city. Today it is not.
He didn't mention the KKK or Nazis in his statement, referring to hate "on many sides" is what I heard. There is no equivocating. The alt-right Nazis were met by those who wish to condemn and stop their hate.
I feel sick now.
It's 6 PM Eastern time and DJT has still not denounced the Nazis.
You weren't supposed to notice that.