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When your sex scenes get hotter and people can see them.
I disagree.
Scorching hot sex scenes written in graphic, explicit terms can still be in a Romance (capitalized to indicate genre rather than a plot element) novel as long as the requisite structure of Romance is present: individuals 1) fall in love and struggle to overcome some obstacle in order to stay together, and 2) are happy and looking forward to a future together at the conclusion of the story. The presence of panty-melting, toe-curling, explicitly written sex (even lots and lots of it) does not make it any less a Romance. It's simply sub-categorized as an Erotic Romance. Still a Romance.
Contrast with Erotica, where the sex (not the relationship) is the core of the story as part of the protagonist's personal journey, and the people having sex don't even have to like each other if that serves the narrative.
But what if it's both?
What if it's both what? I'm not sure what you're asking.
Erotica and romance.
If it is both it is both. Nothing at all prevents a book occupying two (or more) genres simultaneously.
Contrast with Erotica, where the sex (not the relationship) is the core of the story as part of the protagonist's personal journey, and the people having sex don't even have to like each other if that serves the narrative.
What would you term it, if sex scenes are rather brief or short but longer coverage is given to Self-Bondage and introspections ?To me, when the sex scenes are more frequent and have more details to them to turn on the reader.
Huh ? Not arguing just making sure I understand. Are you sayingContrast with Erotica, where the sex (not the relationship) is the core of the story as part of the protagonist's personal journey, and the people having sex don't even have to like each other if that serves the narrative.
Oh Sure. In my story there's sex, but its not given prominence and detailed, as its not completely consensual. Does that mean it would not fall in Erotica ?Sex with one's self is still sex, isn't it?
I think it would come down to a combination of your intention as the writer, and a marketing decision on the part of the publisher... my take is that erotica is intended principally (although certainly not exclusively!) for purposes of sexual arousal, or at least should be expected to have that effect. It's entirely possible to have a book with a decent amount of sex in it that doesn't aim at that goal, in which the sex serves some other story purpose, that might be general or even literary (that elusive term) fiction rather than erotica.Oh Sure. In my story there's sex, but its not given prominence and detailed, as its not completely consensual. Does that mean it would not fall in Erotica ?
Thank you. That clarified the definition for me. Yes now it makes sense. As it is, in my story, there's a lot of arousal and protagonist's initial surprise and later self discovery down that road. So I suppose that detail may aim at arousing a reader who might prefer that type. Still a Question though, if the story lays emphasis on self-bondage, would it still be in Erotica category or not ?I think it would come down to a combination of your intention as the writer, and a marketing decision on the part of the publisher... my take is that erotica is intended principally (although certainly not exclusively!) for purposes of sexual arousal, or at least should be expected to have that effect. It's entirely possible to have a book with a decent amount of sex in it that doesn't aim at that goal, in which the sex serves some other story purpose, that might be general or even literary (that elusive term) fiction rather than erotica.
YMMV, of course
It could be, I think the question is what you WANT the reader's experience to be. If you want them to be able to get off on it, bluntly, then it's probably erotica. If you want them to read the self-bondage as part of a deeper exploration of the character's emotions, or as some sort of metaphor for the character's current condition, then it's probably not. (IMO)So I suppose that detail may aim at arousing a reader who might prefer that type. Still a Question though, if the story lays emphasis on self-bondage, would it still be in Erotica category or not ?
Thank you so much. I truly didn't think of it that way. After 50 posts I intend to post 1st chapter in the other room. You can review it for yourself.TIAIt could be, I think the question is what you WANT the reader's experience to be. If you want them to be able to get off on it, bluntly, then it's probably erotica. If you want them to read the self-bondage as part of a deeper exploration of the character's emotions, or as some sort of metaphor for the character's current condition, then it's probably not. (IMO)
In the end, the only one who can decide that is you.
Really? I think the erotica/porn divide is MUCH more subjective...I also wanted to ask where the line is between erotica and porn? But, I would image that is a much more clear line than romance and erotica.
Reminds me of an old single-panel cartoon I once saw, of a judge saying, "If it makes my robe rise, it's pornographic..."Sure it's clear, if you don't like it you call it porn.