The moment you realize you MAY succeed...but not with what you want to write

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I've always wanted to be a writer. I've been writing for eight years, and I usually write the stories I want to read. Every time I let anyone read something I'm passionate about I get the same response: *insert blank expression here* No one likes my writing when I write what I want. My multiple critique groups didn't like it, pros I showed it to didn't like it, and I never go so much as a personalized rejection for any of my favorite pieces.

Then I said to myself, "hey, why not write what you don't like?"

So I, a man who throws a great number of the fantasy (my favorite genre) novels across the room because he can't stand them and finds them uninspired and cliched, decided to sit down and write a formulaic, uninspired, lousy fantasy short story. I hated it...and everyone loved it. I submitted it...and the second submission got it published.

My first writing credit was a story that I used another, cliched hack of a writer's stories as a template for.

I go back to writing what I want, and get the same blank looks. Then I write a lousy, cliched horror short story complete with a lightening storm. No, really, THE STORY LITERALLY TAKES PLACE DURING A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT. And guess what? MY SECOND STORY GETS PUBLISHED.

Then I write another formulaic piece of trashy horror...AND IT GOT PUBLISHED AND I GOT PAID A WHOLE $10!

Now I'm writing an urban fantasy novel about a hot bisexual man who's also a low-level witch who has to use his low-magick to defeat the powerful mages who run his city. Everyone loves it, including some published authors I showed excerpts to. I hate it. As I write and revise it, I am not looking at it with my heart but with my eye for marketing what the readers, want, and not what I find interesting.

The more I do this, the more I realize what being an author (for me at least) as opposed to a writer, is going to be. An author (in my case) is one who swallows his pride and turns out crap that he doesn't care for, but what the audience wants.

I've been told that if I get enough success editors may take a chance with the stuff I want to write, but that involves slogging on for years writing about spells and gunfights and writing crappy love scenes between two unrealistically hot people.

And even if I do succeed with this crap I hate, how am I ever going to market it? I mean, I could imagine doing a personal appearance with my novel: "yeah, hi, glad you liked my paint-by-number fluff novel that I wrote just to get my name out there." Fortunately I have worked in sales, so I have experience getting people to spend money on things I wouldn't spend money on all the time.


I'm finally getting somewhere with my writing, and I feel like an absolute failure. This must be kinda how a young actor feels when they go to Hollywood and end up having to make porn or, even worse, make a Uwe Boll movie. This is the one issue I never imagined I would have to face. Anyone else have to face this issue? I just want to make huge, deep, literary fantasy...instead, I'm going to have to slog through writing and marketing crappy commercial tripe in the hope that one day someone will take a chance on what I really want to make.

EDIT: for the record, I'm not knocking people who write literary fantasy and such...just talking about my own personal struggle with writing quality fiction and getting it published.
 
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Thank you ever so much for denigrating what many of us write, and sell, and surprisingly enough like to write and read.

I write fantasy, horror, and genre mysteries. And I've sold in all three categories.

I'll stop now because my mother raised me to be polite.
 

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Thank you ever so much for denigrating what many of us write, and sell, and surprisingly enough like to write and read.

I write fantasy, horror, and genre mysteries. And I've sold in all three categories.

I'll stop now because my mother raised me to be polite.

Ahh...when exactly did I say that? And I myself, as I said in the OP, write and sell fiction...

I'm just saying that I can't publish what I want to and instead, it's only the crap I use formulas to write that gets anyone's attention.

What I'm saying is I like fantasy like China Melville and K.J. Bishop, not the crap that has hot witch hunters on the cover...but when I write what I like it goes nowhere, but when I write the cliched stuff, everyone loves it.
 

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If you don't want to write it, then don't write it.
If you want to be recognized and have fans fall at your feet, then write what they like.

You have to choose.

Me? I write what I want...it just so happens it's popular.
 

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The highlights are mine, since you said below you didn't see any issues with your post.

I've always wanted to be a writer. I've been writing for eight years, and I usually write the stories I want to read. Every time I let anyone read something I'm passionate about I get the same response: *insert blank expression here* No one likes my writing when I write what I want. My multiple critique groups didn't like it, pros I showed it to didn't like it, and I never go so much as a personalized rejection for any of my favorite pieces.

Then I said to myself, "hey, why not write what you don't like?"

So I, a man who throws a great number of the fantasy (my favorite genre) novels across the room because he can't stand them and finds them uninspired and cliched, decided to sit down and write a formulaic, uninspired, lousy fantasy short story. I hated it...and everyone loved it. I submitted it...and the second submission got it published.

My first writing credit was a story that I used another, cliched hack of a writer's stories as a template for.

I go back to writing what I want, and get the same blank looks. Then I write a lousy, cliched horror short story complete with a lightening storm. No, really, THE STORY LITERALLY TAKES PLACE DURING A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT. And guess what? MY SECOND STORY GETS PUBLISHED.

Then I write another formulaic piece of trashy horror...AND IT GOT PUBLISHED AND I GOT PAID A WHOLE $10!

Now I'm writing an urban fantasy novel about a hot bisexual man who's also a low-level witch who has to use his low-magick to defeat the powerful mages who run his city. Everyone loves it, including some published authors I showed excerpts to. I hate it. As I write and revise it, I am not looking at it with my heart but with my eye for marketing what the readers, want, and not what I find interesting.

The more I do this, the more I realize what being an author, as opposed to a writer, is. An author is one who swallows his or her pride and turns out crap that he or she doesn't care for, but what the audience wants.

[My comment: This is YOUR definition, and in my opinion it is 100% incorrect.]


I've been told that if I get enough success editors may take a chance with the stuff I want to write, but that involves slogging on for years writing about spells and gunfights and writing crappy love scenes between two unrealistically hot people.

And even if I do succeed with this crap I hate, how am I ever going to market it? I mean, I could imagine doing a personal appearance with my novel: "yeah, hi, glad you liked my paint-by-number fluff novel that I wrote just to get my name out there." Fortunately I have worked in sales, so I have experience getting people to spend money on things I wouldn't spend money on all the time.


I'm finally getting somewhere with my writing, and I feel like an absolute failure. This must be kinda how a young actor feels when they go to Hollywood and end up having to make porn or, even worse, make a Uwe Boll movie. This is the one issue I never imagined I would have to face. Anyone else have to face this issue? I just want to make huge, deep, literary fantasy...instead, I'm going to have to slog through writing and marketing crappy commercial tripe in the hope that one day someone will take a chance on what I really want to make.

EDIT: for the record, I'm not knocking people who write literary fantasy and such... [Except in the previous sentence you said you yourself write literary fantasy] just talking about my own personal struggle with writing quality fiction and getting it published.

If you want to write litfic, then write it. But please do not assume writers of other genres are the equivalent of someone coming to Hollywood and starting our in porn. I assure you I speak not only for myself when I say that quality fiction is not solely the possession of fiction labeled "literary."
 

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Ahh...when did I say I want to write "litfic"? I didn't. I said literary fantasy. There is a bit of a difference...

And all the highlighted points were about my own writing, which I am mocking. I'm not attacking all genre fiction as I like genre fiction.

But I will indeed say that a big chunk of the "chisel-chested vampire hunter on the cover" stuff is indeed not quality fiction.

Fantasy, like any genre, has its high end and low end stuff. Just as their are awful romance novels, there are also excellent ones. Same with fantasy.

But you are right that I should amend that one sentence. I did not mean ALL authors are like that.
 
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The more I do this, the more I realize what being an author, as opposed to a writer, is. An author is one who swallows his or her pride and turns out crap that he or she doesn't care for, but what the audience wants.

My my. What's it got preciousss?

  • A writer is someone who writes.
  • A professional is someone who is paid for what he or she writes.
  • An English Ph.D. points out what's wrong with other people's writing, and gets paid for it.

You know what your problem is?

It's your attitude. And this isn't the place to piss on the parade of anyone else for having a modicum of happiness or success.
 
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