Ninth Circuit Court Upholds Travel Ban Stay

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I know it's easier to think of Trump as an idiot, but don't underestimate his ability to learn how to play in deep end of the political pool. Plus, after reading the defence by the JD lawyer, I wasn't exactly overwhelmed by his enthusiasm.

There will be a different lawyer, a sharper presentation, and I imagine it will be well-woven. I may not care for Trump at all, but that man does not like to lose at anything.

Trump is a thick, thuggish arriviste, who has surrounded himself with some of the least capable people on the planet. As far as I can tell, the only things that link them are their venality and the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

A person who does not like to lose at anything is not necessarily a winner, but is merely a poor loser.
 

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There will be a different lawyer, a sharper presentation, and I imagine it will be well-woven. I may not care for Trump at all, but that man does not like to lose at anything.

Trump is a thick, thuggish arriviste, who has surrounded himself with some of the least capable people on the planet. As far as I can tell, the only things that link them are their venality and the Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

They can be bought, yes, they also have billions each to buy others with. Like some dirty lawyer(s) who does know what they're doing and that goes right back to Synonym's point.
 

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There will be a different lawyer, a sharper presentation, and I imagine it will be well-woven. I may not care for Trump at all, but that man does not like to lose at anything.

They can be bought, yes, they also have billions each to buy others with. Like some dirty lawyer(s) who does know what they're doing and that goes right back to Synonym's point.

Maybe, but I kinda doubt he can buy it. First of all, very few lawyers are admitted to argue before the SCOTUS, and federal interests are argued by the Solicitor General. Trump hasn't appointed one. The original orders, from what I've heard, were drawn up by his corporate lawyers. Constitutional Law is a specialty unto itself. You can't just whip something together. Also, he just hasn't hired enough attorneys to fill the Justice Department to argue his case effectively, he won't/doesn't want to use Obama-hires, and he's absolutely NOT using his own money. He's all about skimming, not spending his own.

He simply can't go lawyer-shopping for the federal government the way he can for his fights with Scottish cattlemen. Beyond that, he doesn't exactly run with the creme de la creme of legal scholars, just the thuggish contract and corporate specialists. The really high-powered ConLaw specialists will think long and hard about associating with his government. He requires soul-selling as the price of a job.

Now, he's certainly within his rights to craft a policy on immigration. Obama did it. He slowed refugee admissions to a crawl while they retooled the vetting. It simply has to be done withing the bounds of the Constitution. It can be done. He can "win," but it'll have to be with a significantly revised EO. What he risks is his base saying he's gone "soft" on the issue, and I imagine that probably preys on him some. He wants to have his cake and eat it, too, but I'm not sure that's really possible at this point with respect to this EO. He might have to be satisfied with licking the frosting. (Ew, a nauseating image, sorry.)
 

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He plans to replace the haulted order with a new one next week:

President Donald Trump vowed Thursday to roll out a new immigration executive order next week that will be tailored to the federal court decision that paused his travel ban.

"The new order is going to be very much tailored to what I consider to be a very bad decision," said Trump during a news conference, referring to a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that blocked his travel ban earlier this month.

The Justice Department wrote at length in a 47-page about the "seriously flawed" Ninth Circuit ruling from last week, but neverthless said: "(r)ather than continuing this litigation, the President intends in the near future to rescind the order and replace it with a new, substantially revised executive order to eliminate what the panel erroneously thought were constitutional concerns."
 

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Yeah, except that, apparently, at least according to some people, like Giuliani and whomever said this order went through attys, the dolts thought this wildly, obviously illegal mess was designed specifically to be legal.

Between the endlessly misspelled crap and this higher-order stuff, one really could begin to wonder about, uhm, many aspects of many people working within the administration.
 

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The AP got a draft of the new travel ban, which appears to be illegal, just like the old travel ban, though perhaps in fewer ways.

A senior administration official said the order, which Trump revised after federal courts held up his original immigration and refugee ban, will target only those same seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan and Libya.

The official said that green-card holders and dual citizens of the U.S. and any of those countries are exempt. The new draft also no longer directs authorities to single out — and reject — Syrian refugees when processing new visa applications.